Like I said, depends on the value they place on Rittich. He’s 6 years younger and actually has the higher save percentage, albeit in 17 less games. I would imagine, being a relatively unknown, that teams would’ve been scouting him pretty hard this year. I mean Dubnyk himself didn’t even solidify himself as one of the leagues top starters until he was older than Rittich.
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I’m kinda curious as to what kind of return people think we could get for “The Stone Capspace Package”.
Top target would be a top 6 centre upgrade or a young, cost controlled, top 6 RW.
What’s the value of Brodie + Bennett, in a package?
I think we could also add the 1st, for the right piece. Brodie, Bennett + 1st is a pretty nice looking package, IMO.
Top target would be a top 6 centre upgrade or a young, cost controlled, top 6 RW.
What’s the value of Brodie + Bennett, in a package?
I think we could also add the 1st, for the right piece. Brodie, Bennett + 1st is a pretty nice looking package, IMO.
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I was actually thinking about this last night, but I think it’s likely Brodie gets dealt in the off-season.
This past deadline it was reported the Flames were after Edler. But also we know that the Flames were not going to move Hanifin, Valimaki, Andersson or mega stud Kylington. Andersson has already been used with Gio and I think Hamonic is a bigger need than Brodie.
I think the plan is to move Brodie and possibly our 1st, Janks or Bennett for a top 6 forward and let the kids replace TJ internally. It honestly makes sense from a pure cap perspective. All 4 young dmen will be regulars next year.
This past deadline it was reported the Flames were after Edler. But also we know that the Flames were not going to move Hanifin, Valimaki, Andersson or mega stud Kylington. Andersson has already been used with Gio and I think Hamonic is a bigger need than Brodie.
I think the plan is to move Brodie and possibly our 1st, Janks or Bennett for a top 6 forward and let the kids replace TJ internally. It honestly makes sense from a pure cap perspective. All 4 young dmen will be regulars next year.
I think the Edler rumours were probably post Stone. Obviously there’s a difference between what you’re willing to give up for Stone, compared to other players but Brodie and Bennett are really the only two guys that make sense. Assuming we were using “the other” Stone as part of a sales pitch for resigning here. Let’s face it, with his contract and injury, he’s got negative value anyways. I think the idea would’ve been to move Brodie in the offseason, have Ras move up and have Stone as the 3rd pairing RD. Tre probably has $3.5-4 million factored in for Bennett, so that’s $8.1-8.6 for the Stone extension. Moving Frolik and the $3 million dollar cap increase should cover the Tkachuk extension and Dube’s salary to replace Bennett. There’s really no other replaceable options that carry enough of a cap hit, to make it possible.
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Kylington + pick for Stone was what I thought our offer was. So when that didn't work they just turned around and offered it for Edler probably with a downgraded pick? That's unbelievably stupid and I thank Edler for not waiving his NMC.
If we made the trade for stone and got rid of Frolik now and maybe Brodie in the off season that's almost covers Stone right there.
If we made the trade for stone and got rid of Frolik now and maybe Brodie in the off season that's almost covers Stone right there.
Frolik and Brodie would’ve covered Stone but nothing toward Tkachuk. Edler would make sense, if we were giving up Valimaki for Stone but it’s hard to see how it would’ve been possible, cap wise. I’m guessing the deciding factor in the Stone deal was likely his salary demands. Treliving was probably using the Wheeler contract as a basis, anything above that would make it next to impossible for a 23 man roster.
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Friedman said that Calgary was confident that we could sign Stone in his post deadline 31 thoughts.
Tkachuk with his play in the last 2 months shouldn't be getting the kind of money that puts us in cap trouble, at this point with two 50ish point seasons and one break out season where he created less than the two years prior I'm not sure I want him to break the Gio cap and I think the highest I'd go is 7.5 Million.
We weren't offering Valimaki so it was one of Kylington or Andersson being offered to the Sens (McKenzie and Friedman both said this).
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My theory is that Valimaki and Brannstrom were both on the table, pending extension. Once Treliving heard the contract demands, he quickly withdrew the offer. I think Vegas dealing on the extension, is probably why it took so long to announce the trade and why Dorion looked so nervous. If you have a guaranteed offer of Brannstrom you’re feeling pretty confident and Dorion’s body language was about as far away from that as you can get. There’s a strong possibility that our counter offer of Kylington + 1st was the best offer on the table, had Vegas not been able to come to an agreement. This would effectively handcuff us until the Stone deal was announced and explain why the Zucker deal was so late.
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McKenzie never tweeted it he just mentioned it on Tradecentre. It was talked about a lot on here.
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Pretty hard to imagine Treliving beating, potentially, two 1st’s and a young depth player. Who’s he playing with on the Jets?
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There is no second first the 4th is only sent if they win the cup if they don't the Rangers get nothing.
So it's either 1st + Lemuiex + 4th if they win or 1st + Lemuiex if they don't.
I think 1st + Janko beats that personally and if Hayes would re-sign I would have done it.
My bad. Thought it was a 1st, Lemieux + 4th, that became a 1st if the Jets won the cup.
Non of those players is even worth mentioning in the sane breath at JG, yes not even Point
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If we move Gaudreau I think Monahan should be gone too. The only non young player I'd hesitate on is Gio and that's just because he's been a Flame for 12 years.
I don't know that they'd trade anyone after one playoff loss but if it comes to it they shouldn't half ass it. Rebuild it don't we aren't immediately getting better from a Gaudreau trade.
Point is worth Gaudreau as long as he's not just a ride along for Kucherov. Agree on the others though and honestly with where there team is Philly might not do the Konecny trade which is the only other thing decent there.
I don't know that they'd trade anyone after one playoff loss but if it comes to it they shouldn't half ass it. Rebuild it don't we aren't immediately getting better from a Gaudreau trade.
Point is worth Gaudreau as long as he's not just a ride along for Kucherov. Agree on the others though and honestly with where there team is Philly might not do the Konecny trade which is the only other thing decent there.
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I gotta say those all seem like massive down grades, other than Point. Patrick really hasn’t shown any better than Bennett. Konecney seen like the same type of player, only far less skilled and I love Debrusk but the chances of him ever being a game changer are slim, IMO.
I agree, that if one goes, they both go. No point in looking great in the regular season if you don’t have the fortitude to play in the playoffs. Gio wouldn’t make any sense, even with the season he’s had, we’d be looking at an Iggy return, given his age.
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If the opportunity is there to get Point you do it despite some opinions the guy is a star with the potential to leave JG in his dust... Who else would trade for JG? Carolina wouldn't give up Aho... The only other trades would be a Kessel or Hall trade pretty much straight across and the Flames lose based on age an/or term of the contracts. An extended Hall I might be interested in.
I don't know what the cap situation would look like but any chance the offseason looks like this:
Trade Frolik and Stone for late round picks
Sign Tkachuck to 6yr* 7M
Trade Brodie+Janks for Nylander (this allows Toronto a good cheap D man and cheap 3C to allow Leafs to trade Kadri for prospects and picks to relieve cap situation)
Flames sign Hayes
Sign rittich to 4M and smith to 3M
Flames go into next season with:
Johnny-Mony-Nylander
Tkachuck-Hayes-Lindholm
Bennett-Backs-Dube
Magni-Ryan-Czar
Gio-Ras
Ham-Hanifin
Kylington-Vali
Rittich
Smith
Any chance this works cap wise?
Trade Frolik and Stone for late round picks
Sign Tkachuck to 6yr* 7M
Trade Brodie+Janks for Nylander (this allows Toronto a good cheap D man and cheap 3C to allow Leafs to trade Kadri for prospects and picks to relieve cap situation)
Flames sign Hayes
Sign rittich to 4M and smith to 3M
Flames go into next season with:
Johnny-Mony-Nylander
Tkachuck-Hayes-Lindholm
Bennett-Backs-Dube
Magni-Ryan-Czar
Gio-Ras
Ham-Hanifin
Kylington-Vali
Rittich
Smith
Any chance this works cap wise?
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