Speculation: Armchair GM - Offseason Thread (Summer Edition)

[BB88]

If Pettersson shakes loose on the trade market what would people be willing to offer should he be willing to sign? Id imagine it unfortunately starts with Johnson

They’d start with Fantilli.

The biggest problem is how would you convince Pettersson Columbus is on the brink of becoming a contender?

 

[majormajor]

They’d start with Fantilli.

The biggest problem is how would you convince Pettersson Columbus is on the brink of becoming a contender?

Win a lot of games this year.

The opposite-Cowumbus approach.

 

[BB88]

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I’ll say it again but these types of articles and the constant crying about how this offseason moves were win now moves make my head hurt.


& they really don’t have a damm clue about the cap situation moving forward either

Win a lot of games this year.

The opposite-Cowumbus approach.

I agree, but it would be a very short period of playing successfull hockey for someone like Pettersson.

If that’s the only reason why he’d leave Vancouver.

 

[stevo61]

They’d start with Fantilli.

The biggest problem is how would you convince Pettersson Columbus is on the brink of becoming a contender?

They could ask but deep down they would know realistically thats not going to happen. Johnson+Peeke/Boqvist+pick/prospect is a good start. Johnson being a BC boy probably helps also.

The team would have to show growth this season and sell him on the future of the team. Vancouver has actually been as directionless as some fans seem to believe Columbus is now.

 

[koteka]

John P. McConnell needs to hire Deion Sanders as a special advisor.

 

[Sombastate]

Hey just as a fan of another team, curious how you guys think your log jam at young D plays out. If I'm correct all of Boqvist, Peeke, Jiricek, Svozil are NHL potentials and with the addition of Provorov, maybe 2 spots available? And additionally don't you guys have Mateychuk and Ceulemans not that far off down the road.

 

[stevo61]

Hey just as a fan of another team, curious how you guys think your log jam at young D plays out. If I'm correct all of Boqvist, Peeke, Jiricek, Svozil are NHL potentials and with the addition of Provorov, maybe 2 spots available? And additionally don't you guys have Mateychuk and Ceulemans not that far off down the road.

Svozil is a lefty along with Mateychuk, there is room for either of them almost immediately should they earn it but probably atleast a year out.

On the right side its wait and see. Jiricek may not make the team and we'll see what Babcock thinks about Boqvist vs Peeke specifically. Ceulemans will take some time

 

[Farmboy Patty]

Regarding the myth - it is true you can find talent later in the draft, but Jarmo after 9 years has not found a player of that caliber in the mid to late rounds, so I am not very confident in that route.

I think KJ will be good, he’s my favorite prospect. Just the longer we go on, the more I see him on the W.

If he played more C I could believe it, but it seems like they are content with him being a play driving W.

Patience you must have /Yoda

I’ll say it again but these types of articles and the constant crying about how this offseason moves were win now moves make my head hurt.


& they really don’t have a damm clue about the cap situation moving forward either



I agree, but it would be a very short period of playing successfull hockey for someone like Pettersson.

If that’s the only reason why he’d leave Vancouver.

Why would it be a short period?

 

[stevo61]

Patience you must have /Yoda



Why would it be a short period?

because the team has been bad for a couple years? Its probably easier to sell a young team on the upswing vs whatever Vancouver is to Pettersson.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Hey just as a fan of another team, curious how you guys think your log jam at young D plays out. If I'm correct all of Boqvist, Peeke, Jiricek, Svozil are NHL potentials and with the addition of Provorov, maybe 2 spots available? And additionally don't you guys have Mateychuk and Ceulemans not that far off down the road.

Toss in Blankenberg just to keep it extra spicy.

 

[BB88]

They could ask but deep down they would know realistically thats not going to happen. Johnson+Peeke/Boqvist+pick/prospect is a good start. Johnson being a BC boy probably helps also.

The team would have to show growth this season and sell him on the future of the team. Vancouver has actually been as directionless as some fans seem to believe Columbus is now.

They wouldn’t land Fantilli but that’s where they’d start.
Honestly with Fantilli and how high I’m on Johnson I’m not on trade for Pettersson board.

Yes he’ll probably always be better than Johnson but he’s going to land a superstar contract and make millions more per year than KJ, he’s older than KJ and it would never be a straight up trade. So I’d rather keep the Fantilli+ KJ duo and build around them with all the assets

I don’t neither expect a Devils like season from Columbus this coming up season which would make selling Columbus harder, he’s clearly tired of playing for a team he can’t see the vision/hope. & he’s not going to know the structure of the team as well as we here

Patience you must have /Yoda



Why would it be a short period?

Because they just finished 31st and couple seasons ago picked 5th overall. It’s been some time since they’ve been a legit quality team

 

[Farmboy Patty]

Blah blah. Laine scores a point per game with Jack Roslovic in his line, there's no "get going" needed. Gaudreau very similar. Everyone does better with better linemates obviously.

I don't know what this "get going" argument is.

You'll find any comment questionable and concerning when Laine is involved. You'll interpret things to support your delusions about him

This 1000%. Many top line players would get some flack from a fan base because of disappointing seasons from the TEAM, but on the opposite end it sometimes gets absurd.

The top line players are not the problem when it comes to the CLB. It’s so evidently obvious that I just can’t understand the vitriol from certain fans against Gaudreau or Laine.

The flaws and also random circumstantial huddles of the past season go down to extremely bad luck with injuries and bad coaching, but luckily that landed us Fantilli.

 

[Monstershockey]

Blaming Jenner or holding him accountable for the lack of leadership with the current team is like blaming him for the current center depth. IMO.

I'm not blaming him. I like his style of play and when he went down, it was a huge loss. I also have no problem with him at center. It's just a vibe I get from him as a captain, has nothing to do with his playstyle, or how he contributes. Like I said, not being in the room, I wouldn't know. He could be a captain type, just keeps it amongst the team.

 

[stevo61]

They wouldn’t land Fantilli but that’s where they’d start.
Honestly with Fantilli and how high I’m on Johnson I’m not on trade for Pettersson board.

Yes he’ll probably always be better than Johnson but he’s going to land a superstar contract and make millions more per year than KJ, he’s older than KJ and it would never be a straight up trade. So I’d rather keep the Fantilli+ KJ duo and build around them with all the assets

I don’t neither expect a Devils like season from Columbus this coming up season which would make selling Columbus harder, he’s clearly tired of playing for a team he can’t see the vision/hope. & he’s not going to know the structure of the team as well as we here



Because they just finished 31st and couple seasons ago picked 5th overall. It’s been some time since they’ve been a legit quality team

I love KJ as much as anyone, hes actually the next jersey I plan to buy but if Pettersson becomes available and the cost is Johnson I make that deal. Pettersson will get paid because hes worth it, im not worried about guys getting paid their value. Plus his only playoff appearance was a success at the individual level. A 1/2 punch of Pettersson-Fantilli is contender level center depth barring Fantilli completely flopping.

Pettersson had Kuzmenko as his running mate which is solid with the 3rd guy being most commonly Beauvillier/Mikeyev so he had good but nothing crazy linemate wise. He could make magic with Gaudreau and is also a fantastic 2 way guy. Heck he even spent plenty of time with Lane Pederson this past season

 

[stevo61]

I'm not blaming him. I like his style of play and when he went down, it was a huge loss. I also have no problem with him at center. It's just a vibe I get from him as a captain, has nothing to do with his playstyle, or how he contributes. Like I said, not being in the room, I wouldn't know. He could be a captain type, just keeps it amongst the team.

Foligno had the benefit of Dubi. Was almost a good cop bad cop thing. Foligno felt like a guy who was more even keeled, would fight if his team needed it or have a nice little speech here and there. Dubinsky seemed a little less in control of his emotions but hated losing more than anything and seemed honest to himself and teammates about it. Jenner doesnt have that 2nd leader in the room yet but I think its coming from within, this young core just needs to get set up right from the start which brings us back full circle to the coaching change and a veteran no nonsense coach

 

[majormajor]

I love KJ as much as anyone, hes actually the next jersey I plan to buy but if Pettersson becomes available and the cost is Johnson I make that deal. Pettersson will get paid because hes worth it, im not worried about guys getting paid their value. Plus his only playoff appearance was a success at the individual level. A 1/2 punch of Pettersson-Fantilli is contender level center depth barring Fantilli completely flopping.

Pettersson had Kuzmenko as his running mate which is solid with the 3rd guy being most commonly Beauvillier/Mikeyev so he had good but nothing crazy linemate wise. He could make magic with Gaudreau and is also a fantastic 2 way guy. Heck he even spent plenty of time with Lane Pederson this past season

Texier - Pettersson - Marchenko would be a nice "fetcher - playmaker - finisher" composition, leaving Gaudreau - Fantilli - Laine on the other unit. Pettersson with Gaudreau doesn't make sense to me, they would need two pucks. Maybe Texier - Pettersson - Laine, I'm not sure if Marchenko can hang yet. Though what Pettersson did without great linemates last year was really impressive.

 

[stevo61]

Texier - Pettersson - Marchenko would be a nice "fetcher - playmaker - finisher" composition, leaving Gaudreau - Fantilli - Laine on the other unit. Pettersson with Gaudreau doesn't make sense to me, they would need two pucks. Maybe Texier - Pettersson - Laine, I'm not sure if Marchenko can hang yet. Though what Pettersson did without great linemates last year was really impressive.

I think they would work pretty well and I like that Pettersson could keep up to that pace of play better. Fantilli does seem like an ideal linemate longterm for Gaudreau though. I dont know if I even like Tex and Marchenko together until one of them learn to not play hot potato with the puck. Marchenko has shown flashes but overall im not as high on him as many others. Tex seems like another Anderson where you can get as much out of him in a depth role as a top 6 role but I wouldnt be against trying it out, sometimes its weird what does and doesnt click. Jenner could still fill that role on the left wing for awhile also

 

[Monstershockey]

Foligno had the benefit of Dubi. Was almost a good cop bad cop thing. Foligno felt like a guy who was more even keeled, would fight if his team needed it or have a nice little speech here and there. Dubinsky seemed a little less in control of his emotions but hated losing more than anything and seemed honest to himself and teammates about it. Jenner doesnt have that 2nd leader in the room yet but I think its coming from within, this young core just needs to get set up right from the start which brings us back full circle to the coaching change and a veteran no nonsense coach

That's kind of what I was getting at. There isn't anyone after Jenner. Maybe thats why I get the feeling about Boone because there isn't a group. We will see about the young kids. I hope there are guys that can step up and grow into the leadership roles.

 

[ThirdPeriodTurtle]

Maybe I am too enarmored with his leadership qualities (how is he not even mentioned yet?) but I think Fantilli will emerge as a leader sooner than later. He'll be the vocal young kid, and earn the respect with his play. Hopefully he also respects the older leaders in Jenner and Gudbranson and suddenly the leadership core is not looking too bad. Hopefully Jenner stays healthy for the rest of his contract and can help guide Fantilli for the next few years, and if so Fantilli will be ready for the C after Jenner.

 

[BB88]

I love KJ as much as anyone, hes actually the next jersey I plan to buy but if Pettersson becomes available and the cost is Johnson I make that deal. Pettersson will get paid because hes worth it, im not worried about guys getting paid their value. Plus his only playoff appearance was a success at the individual level. A 1/2 punch of Pettersson-Fantilli is contender level center depth barring Fantilli completely flopping.

Pettersson had Kuzmenko as his running mate which is solid with the 3rd guy being most commonly Beauvillier/Mikeyev so he had good but nothing crazy linemate wise. He could make magic with Gaudreau and is also a fantastic 2 way guy. Heck he even spent plenty of time with Lane Pederson this past season

But you know it would never be KJ for EP, it would be something very valuable on top of KJ in best case scenario.
How willing would Vancouver be to trade a C who can flirt with 100 points for a player who may be a winger in his prime.

So I’d just rather see what they got right now over trading 2-3+ best assets outside Fantilli ro land Pettersson and give him a 10M+ deal

1C Fantilli
2C Johnson

W
Gaudreau
Laine
Marchenko
Let’s see what they have

 

[HockeyVirus]

I think (or hope) Babcock, like Torts, is a guy that will focus on getting the team going, regardless of where Laine is at. The problem isn’t going to be Babcock and what he knows the importance of.

Both Laine and Gaudreau make too much money to have to be prodded to “get going”, and it’s 1 of my main complaints of them individually, and as a “1-2 punch”.

Coming this preseason, I predict honesty from Babcock and pouting and questionable/concerning comments from Laine in response.

We’ll see. That’s if Laine makes it through the late summer fully healthy, there’s been no confirmation yet if he’s been OVER training or UNDER training this offseason….I’m sure he’ll “tweak” something and we’ll have to wait another year to truly judge him.

With all due respect Babcock naturally will have the team going. He doesn't need motivational speeches, he gets them going by his daily approach. You aren't all in there you aren't dressing.

The best way Babcock can improve the team is by finding the next level in established players. Laine, Werenski, Gaudreau, etc. He is pretty elite at that.

And if your take about Laine is true, you guys don'y really want him. I don't think that will be the case though, he seemed to play pretty well under Torts. I just think Laine has lost his identity a bit and Babcock will probably work with the video staff to really get him thinking about how he used to play and set himself up and try to put him in spots to do that again.

 

[Viqsi]

And if your take about Laine is true, you guys don'y really want him.

Since that's coming from thebus, the reasoning is circular. thebus frequently goes on rants about how Laine is the focal point of blame for everything that's gone wrong with the franchise since the last time we made the playoffs and more besides. He's the balance to the Enthusiastic Fanboy crowd.

 

[Monstershockey]

I don't think that will be the case though, he seemed to play pretty well under Torts.

He was awful under Torts, but not because of Torts. He's been better since.

 

[VT]

With all due respect Babcock naturally will have the team going. He doesn't need motivational speeches, he gets them going by his daily approach. You aren't all in there you aren't dressing.

The best way Babcock can improve the team is by finding the next level in established players. Laine, Werenski, Gaudreau, etc. He is pretty elite at that.

And if your take about Laine is true, you guys don'y really want him. I don't think that will be the case though, he seemed to play pretty well under Torts. I just think Laine has lost his identity a bit and Babcock will probably work with the video staff to really get him thinking about how he used to play and set himself up and try to put him in spots to do that again.

Laine is an ECHL level player who is hated by the entire universe according to @thebus88 .

 

[traffic cone]

Laine is an ECHL level player who is hated by the entire universe for @thebus88 .

I predict Laine will have his best NHL season (so far) this season.