Proposal: Arizona-Vancouver

[Palmer2Fitz]

This is a ****** terrible post or line of thinking We're talking about a proven young top pairing shutdown defensman. Are you're saying you wouldn't move a prospect dman who could if he's lucky become even close to what Tanev is. Do you have any idea how ****** scary an OEL-Tanev pairing would be? Filthy.

How is my post terrible? It's not like I'm saying a prospect could be as good as Tanex. What I'm saying is Murphy just turned 23 and is already a top pairing defenseman. If you believe or not potential does have value and the Coyotes value Murphy extremely high. We would love to have Tanev but not at the cost it would take to aquire him. No need to go bashing on people for realizing that.

 

[Palmer2Fitz]

hahahaha OMG this is ridiculous, Murphy might key word MIGHT be as good as Tanev, your betting on a lottery ticket to be as good as a proven commodity, it's not like this lottery ticket is a blue chipper either come on dude.

If we were to ever make this trade it starts with Domi from the Yotes end. 26 year old top pairing RHD Dmen do not come cheap. Especially not for 3 lottery picks.

Yea and 23 year old top pairing dmen have value. And your right he's not a blue chip prospect he's a NHL player.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Only way a Tanev deal would work is something around Domi or Strome. Obviously additions where needed.

 

[Snarky Coyote]

perhaps there is no deal to be made here Tanev is a good player but he would just cost too much for our liking, and we have a need to keep our prospects until we can get a better idea of what we have.

 

[DesertDawg]

Yea and 23 year old top pairing dmen have value. And your right he's not a blue chip prospect he's a NHL player.

Connor Murphy made it on the 1st pairing before his 23 birthday, Tanev was what? Playing in the AHL on his 23rd birthday?

 

[Alexander Edler]

Connor Murphy made it on the 1st pairing before his 23 birthday, Tanev was what? Playing in the AHL on his 23rd birthday?

Ahahaha how can you say that, what people were at (insert age here) doesn't matter Tanev is better know and Murphy won't surpass him. Tanev is a top5 defensive dman. Murphy isn't top 5 in any category. Murphy was carried my OEL last year.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

Ahahaha how can you say that, what people were at (insert age here) doesn't matter Tanev is better know and Murphy won't surpass him. Tanev is a top5 defensive dman. Murphy isn't top 5 in any category. Murphy was carried my OEL last year.

This is probably my biggest issue with this thread. No one really has any idea how good Murphy will end up, but yet the majority of the Canuck posters are completely writing him off for no reason.

 

[CloutierForVezina]

This is probably my biggest issue with this thread. No one really has any idea how good Murphy will end up, but yet the majority of the Canuck posters are completely writing him off for no reason.

Nobody's "completely writing him off for no reason".

People are saying he's significantly worse than Tanev is right now. Which he is. Could he better one day? Sure he could. But why would Vancouver take that gamble? What could Vancouver possibly gain from trading away a proven top pairing guy who is one of the best shot suppressors in the league for someone who might one day be as good? It just doesn't make sense. The risk to reward ratio is way out of whack. Vancouver assumes all of the risk of losing a top pairing defenseman and the best possible reward is they manage to get a similar guy who is 3 years younger.

I don't even care if Arizona would do this trade or not. You like Murphy? Great, keep him. He looks like a great player with a good amount of potential. But Vancouver isn't at all interested in moving Tanev for him.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

Nobody's "completely writing him off for no reason".

People are saying he's significantly worse than Tanev is right now. Which he is. Could he better one day? Sure he could. But why would Vancouver take that gamble? What could Vancouver possibly gain from trading away a proven top pairing guy who is one of the best shot suppressors in the league for someone who might one day be as good?

Everyone knows Tanev is better than Murphy right now. But the majority of Canucks fans find the idea of Murphy developing to be a legit #2 to be laughable which is just ridiculous. You don't but the majority of the others do.

While this trade does not work at all, wouldn't trading Tanev right now be good for the Canucks? At 26 his value is probably as high as it ever will be and Van won't be competitive for a long time, wouldn't he be a good piece to move to kickoff a real rebuild? Sort of like how the Yandle trade kicked off the Coyotes rebuild...

 

[Breakers]

Nobody's "completely writing him off for no reason".

People are saying he's significantly worse than Tanev is right now. Which he is. Could he better one day? Sure he could. But why would Vancouver take that gamble? What could Vancouver possibly gain from trading away a proven top pairing guy who is one of the best shot suppressors in the league for someone who might one day be as good? It just doesn't make sense. The risk to reward ratio is way out of whack. Vancouver assumes all of the risk of losing a top pairing defenseman and the best possible reward is they manage to get a similar guy who is 3 years younger.

I don't even care if Arizona would do this trade or not. You like Murphy? Great, keep him. He looks like a great player with a good amount of potential. But Vancouver isn't at all interested in moving Tanev for him.

HF boards love to make that argument.

Here lets trade the #2 D-man for a guy who could be MAYBE be the #2 down the road.

It's like here take on extra risk for absolutely NO REASON.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

HF boards love to make that argument.

Here lets trade the #2 D-man for a guy who could be MAYBE be the #2 down the road.

It's like here take on extra risk for absolutely NO REASON.

Because teams never trade players to acquire prospects.....

 

[CloutierForVezina]

Everyone knows Tanev is better than Murphy right now. But the majority of Canucks fans find the idea of Murphy developing to be a legit #2 to be laughable which is just ridiculous. You don't but the majority of the others do.

While this trade does not work at all, wouldn't trading Tanev right now be good for the Canucks? At 26 his value is probably as high as it ever will be and Van won't be competitive for a long time, wouldn't he be a good piece to move to kickoff a real rebuild? Sort of like how the Yandle trade kicked off the Coyotes rebuild...

What? No. Unless you think the rebuild will take 10 years, Tanev will still very much be a top defensive defenseman in the league when the Canucks are competitive again. If the rebuild takes 5 years, he'll only be 31 by the time they want to compete again.

You can't just burn your team down the ground and sell everything. You need stability in your lineup, you need high quality veterans to help the youth movement along. Having a guy like Tanev who will eat up the toughest minutes every night allows you to put a young guy like Hutton in a position where he can develop and thrive, instead of being thrown to the wolves every night. Look what happened to Horvat when Sutter was injured and Horvat was forced to take the tough defensive assignments every night - that's the opposite of what you want to be doing with prospects.

Now, if someone comes along and offers a franchise level young player for Tanev, of course the Canucks will be listening. I don't expect anyone to do that, but that's what it would take.

 

[Breakers]

Because teams never trade players to acquire prospects.....

Well Logic would dictate that if you are trading for a player who is trending up in his career (Tanev) and is already elite that the prospect that Arizona traded in return would ALSO be trending up in his career

Not Brendan Perlini who isn't even a top 50 prospect and couldn't manage PPG status on the 2nd best team in the OHL.

Replace Perlini and Vancouver would consider this.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Yea and 23 year old top pairing dmen have value. And your right he's not a blue chip prospect he's a NHL player.

Of course they do, that's why we wouldn't trade Tanev for a guy that wouldn't be top pairing on our team, do you understand?

 

[Lil]

Huge no from the Coyotes. There isn't a huge gap between Murphy and Tanev currently and Murphy is a lot younger with potential.

Perlini is arguably the Coyotes third best prospect. 2 years younger than Gaunce, drafted higher. There's no reason to move him for Gaunce.

And Merkley is just a gift for the Canucks.

Coyotes don't benefit at all from this.

C'mon bruh Murphy isn't even in the same tier as Tanev lmfao. This trade is a gift for the Yotes, thank God JB is too smart for this.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Connor Murphy made it on the 1st pairing before his 23 birthday, Tanev was what? Playing in the AHL on his 23rd birthday?

Lidstrom didn't win his first Norris Trophy till he was 31, so I guess that means Murphy is going to be better than him right?

See I can make baseless comments lacking context too.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Because teams never trade players to acquire prospects.....

Not when said player is only 26 and still very much needed, no you don't trade said player for three lottery picks.

 

[Barness01]

Murphy<Tanev
Merkley+Perlini>>>>>>>>>Gaunce
End of story

 

[Seatoo]

Murphy<Tanev
Merkley+Perlini>>>>>>>>>Gaunce
End of story

Tanev >>>>>>>>> Murphy AINEC

 

[Jakey53]

Only way a Tanev deal would work is something around Domi or Strome. Obviously additions where needed.

I don't quite think so. Posters from both sides are over valuing their players. Neither Tanev or Murphy are top pairing Dman, and the rest of the players are all potential. I don't think either team makes this trade because of the unknown. Maybe in a year we would have a better idea who was right.

 

[PM]

Murphy is a way closer comparison to Ben Hutton than he is Chris Tanev and I wouldn't accept three Ben Huttons for Chris Tanev. Seems that some people still don't realize how good Tanev is.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I don't quite think so. Posters from both sides are over valuing their players. Neither Tanev or Murphy are top pairing Dman, and the rest of the players are all potential. I don't think either team makes this trade because of the unknown. Maybe in a year we would have a better idea who was right.

Oh HF how many times does it need to be explained that top pairing dmen do not need to be huge point producers. Elite defensively is in many cases JUST as important. Either you aren't aware of this or you need to watch Tanev play a game of hockey.

What the hell is unknown about Tanev?

 

[Kaizen]

I'd swallow hard and do that deal from an AZ perspective. Tanev is the bird in the hand to Murphy, Perlini & Merkley's 2 in the bush. If Van throws in a 3rd it makes the deal easier to stomach.

 

[FOurteenS inCisOr]

I don't quite think so. Posters from both sides are over valuing their players. Neither Tanev or Murphy are top pairing Dman, and the rest of the players are all potential. I don't think either team makes this trade because of the unknown. Maybe in a year we would have a better idea who was right.

Tanev is absolutely, undoubtedly a top-pairing D.

 

[Palmer2Fitz]

I don't quite think so. Posters from both sides are over valuing their players. Neither Tanev or Murphy are top pairing Dman, and the rest of the players are all potential. I don't think either team makes this trade because of the unknown. Maybe in a year we would have a better idea who was right.

Well maybe you should run a NHL team then because both players are too pairing dmen on the teams they play for. Yea maybe they wouldn't be on certain teams but I'll trust two NHL organizations over a hfboards poster on deciding who is a top pairing dman. Murphy may be a little harder to argue but cmon man your opinion is just not accurate.