Confirmed Trade: [ARI/PHI] Shayne Gostisbehere, 2022 2nd, 2022 7th (STL) for future considerations

[96]

Always cringey when someone says choice instead of pick

 

[rt]

Always cringey when someone says choice instead of pick

Sounds like a personal problem.

 

[ThePsychicSaw]

way more money and way more years
wouldve taken 3 1st to dump 1

the point here is you dont take on guaranteed DEAD cap, considering its value, especially at ASTROMICAL amounts here. You see what happens for players that can still play. and bury them when they inevitably get injured, a la weber for the rest of his career now, ala hossa etc.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

This deal really highlights the utter stupidity of Seattle. They could have agreed to take Gostisbehere for this much more reasonable return then held 30-50% and flipped him to another team. They likely walk away with a couple 2nds or even a decent prospect. Instead, they have a middling prospect in Twarynski and nothing else.

 

[SnS]

Of course he is.

Wrong.

 

[SnS]

what you got for him in nhl 21 is irrelevant

Chuck Fletcher is irrelevant.

 

[ryan callahan]

Philly fans really thought Ghost had positive value

 

[SnS]

Philly fans really thought Ghost had positive value

Just because Chuck Fletcher is clueless. Doesn’t mean a god damn thing.

 

[traparatus]

Damn, if passing through waivers that late in the season without one of 30 teams putting in a claim is not an indicator that player carries a negative value, I don't know what is.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Watch Ghost get used properly and make Fletch look even more stupid

 

[Michoulicious]

Chuck Fletcher is irrelevant.

It's not just Fletcher, it's all the NHL GMs that were not interesting in him for free.

At some point you have to recognize the guy is a cap dump when the only teams that were willing to take him asked for assets to come with him. The cheapest cost was a 2nd and 7th, it looks like.

Am I missing something?

 

[mercury]

Are you aware of any examples where Future Considerations turned into a pick swap during the salary cap era (since 2005)?

I know the Preds traded Nick Baptiste to the Leafs for future considerations, which turned out to be the Marlies trading Emerson Clark to the Admirals (for "future considerations" that really were past considerations) immediately afterward. They couldn't do it straight across for some reason. And many times, such things are not announced. It's either essentially nothing or a handshake deal for a favor later (not taking a certain guy in the draft, helping make salaries work in a later trade, whatever).

 

[Ryan52]

Chuck Fletcher is irrelevant.

i wouldnt agree, he just made a trade in the nhl while you bang away on your keyboard like you know better

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Philly fans really thought Ghost had positive value

 

[thrillermiller89]

I would be irate. That’s horrendous.

ghost is NOT a cap dump.

This aged well…

 

[Curufinwe]

Watch Ghost get used properly and make Fletch look even more stupid

He won’t have this level of players to play with in Arizona.

This is what we did with Ghost this year:

played 19:56 a game-3rd most on team
played 2:41 a game on PP-1st on the team
Most common line mates were: Provy, Giroux, JVR, Hayes, Jake in that order

Ghost was not "buried" like some want to pretend. And he played well. It still resulted on no one wanting him for free.

 

[Holy Slapshot]

Well time to admit I really didn't see this coming!
Fletcher is a clown and it will be more visible after Ghost's play turns out to be worth his contract. Still see him only slightly overpaid at the moment

 

[mouser]

I know the Preds traded Nick Baptiste to the Leafs for future considerations, which turned out to be the Marlies trading Emerson Clark to the Admirals (for "future considerations" that really were past considerations) immediately afterward. They couldn't do it straight across for some reason. And many times, such things are not announced. It's either essentially nothing or a handshake deal for a favor later (not taking a certain guy in the draft, helping make salaries work in a later trade, whatever).

Emerson Clark wasn’t signed to a NHL contract. Hence couldn’t be part of a NHL trade. There have been examples of future considerations including other “non tradable” things like scheduling preseason games, interviewing coaches, and some other odd stuff.

I’m not aware of a future consideration turning into a pick or a player—both things that can be included in trades, so no need to get creative.

 

[uncleben]

Always cringey when someone says choice instead of pick

I mean, pick would be more correct than choose, as the order of selection does matter


That's a little data management combination vs permutation humour for my math friends out there

 

[Accelleratii]

Philly fans really thought Ghost had positive value

Lololololol

no, we didnt

 

[LeHab]

Emerson Clark wasn’t signed to a NHL contract. Hence couldn’t be part of a NHL trade. There have been examples of future considerations including other “non tradable” things like scheduling preseason games, interviewing coaches, and some other odd stuff.

I’m not aware of a future consideration turning into a pick or a player—both things that can be included in trades, so no need to get creative.

Most recent example of a player for future considerations turned draft pick I can find is from 2009:

195th overall pick (seventh round): Christain Djoos D
The Caps traded Keith Seabrook to the Calgary Flames in July 2009 for future considerations and they finally cashed in with a seventh-round pick in 2012. That pick turned into an important one as the team selected Djoos.
Djoos played 22 games on the third pair with Brooks Orpik in the team’s 2018 Cup run and looks to be a third-pair player again next season. Whenever you can find an NHL player in the seventh round of the draft, you deserve some kudos. Don’t believe me? Just look at Washington’s other two seventh-round picks.

Looking back at the Capitals’ 2012 NHL Draft: The Forsberg draft

 

[Curufinwe]

Well time to admit I really didn't see this coming!
Fletcher is a clown and it will be more visible after Ghost's play turns out to be worth his contract. Still see him only slightly overpaid at the moment

That’s great but there wasn’t a GM in the league who agreed. Not one.

 

[mouser]

Most recent example of a player for future considerations turned draft pick I can find is from 2009:



Looking back at the Capitals’ 2012 NHL Draft: The Forsberg draft

Nice find. Thanks, something to research.

We didn’t have quite the social media outlets with every reporter tweeting left and right back then. Find out how difficult it is to search out the underlying details.

 

[LeHab]

Nice find. Thanks, something to research.

We didn’t have quite the social media outlets with every reporter tweeting left and right back then. Find out how difficult it is to search out the underlying details.

Yeah, in case you may not be aware here is good tracker for transcations: Search Hockey Transactions

 

[mouser]

Yeah, in case you may not be aware here is good tracker for transcations: Search Hockey Transactions

I use it regularly. Have corresponded with the site owner in the past to help fix details on some old NHL trades.

They do a wonderful job, and I thoroughly endorse their site. There are likely still a lot of errors or incomplete information the further back you go in time. Especially on the smaller less publicized deals.