Confirmed Trade: [ARI/PHI] Shayne Gostisbehere, 2022 2nd, 2022 7th (STL) for future considerations

[Got One Cup]

overpaying

I think that’s putting it as polite as possible.

 

[jonlin]

He will, this guy is good and certainly way better then fans from other teams think.

I know he was good but if not 1 GM wanted him for free, he may be damaged goods.

 

[Tripod]

I know he was good but if not 1 GM wanted him for free, he may be damaged goods.

Damaged?

Ghost just paced for 40 points this year

 

[Magua]

Gostisbehere has a team leading 9 points in 12 games (on 19 total goals by Arizona), along with a +9.6 relxGF% and >50 GF% on a 35 GF% team at 5v5. He's 3 points clear of the next Coyote. This doesn't seem like a poor start for a player who the Flyers intermittently and arbitrarily scratched, waived (so they could urgently scratch Lindblom and Patrick), placed in the situation to go unclaimed, and paid a substantial price for the pleasure of trading away for zilch.

The dirty secret about Gostisbehere -- that most Flyers fans here were happy to spill -- is that he was damned good last season 5v5/PP, after an admittedly poor 2019-2020. The Flyers just did everything in their power to erase his confidence and value. They even regularly let Provorov, among the worst high usage PP defenders in the league, take his PP1 spot. Even in his other down years, he was usually good besides some brutal puck luck. While his straight line speed isn't what it was, his combination of creativity, aggressive reads (offensively and defensively), edge work, hands, and head fakes are still readily apparent.

He never had any business being treated like a garbage cap dump to a tanking team. It was just a face palm precursor to certain other face palm moves by the Flyers. I don't doubt the Coyotes are smiling right now.

 

[He Is Knocking]

Gostisbehere has a team leading 9 points in 12 games (on 19 total goals by Arizona), along with a +9.6 relxGF% and >50 GF% on a 35 GF% team at 5v5. He's 3 points clear of the next Coyote. This doesn't seem like a poor start for a player who the Flyers intermittently and arbitrarily scratched, waived (so they could urgently scratch Lindblom and Patrick), placed in the situation to go unclaimed, and paid a substantial price for the pleasure of trading away for zilch.

The dirty secret about Gostisbehere -- that most Flyers fans here were happy to spill -- is that he was damned good last season 5v5/PP, after an admittedly poor 2019-2020. The Flyers just did everything in their power to erase his confidence and value. They even regularly let Provorov, among the worst high usage PP defenders in the league, take his PP1 spot. Even in his other down years, he was usually good besides some brutal puck luck. While his straight line speed isn't what it was, his combination of creativity, aggressive reads (offensively and defensively), edge work, hands, and head fakes are still readily apparent.

He never had any business being treated like a garbage cap dump to a tanking team. It was just a face palm precursor to certain other face palm moves by the Flyers. I don't doubt the Coyotes are smiling right now.

Amen! Once he called out the staff for what they were last season we knew it wasn't going to end well.

It's no surprise at all Ghost is doing well and I'm glad he is.

I'm still floored by how much the flyers staff hated this guy, they're more about other things than winning.

Looking forward to the return Arizona gets for Ghost one day when/if he's traded.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Gostisbehere has a team leading 9 points in 12 games (on 19 total goals by Arizona), along with a +9.6 relxGF% and >50 GF% on a 35 GF% team at 5v5. He's 3 points clear of the next Coyote. This doesn't seem like a poor start for a player who the Flyers intermittently and arbitrarily scratched, waived (so they could urgently scratch Lindblom and Patrick), placed in the situation to go unclaimed, and paid a substantial price for the pleasure of trading away for zilch.

The dirty secret about Gostisbehere -- that most Flyers fans here were happy to spill -- is that he was damned good last season 5v5/PP, after an admittedly poor 2019-2020. The Flyers just did everything in their power to erase his confidence and value. They even regularly let Provorov, among the worst high usage PP defenders in the league, take his PP1 spot. Even in his other down years, he was usually good besides some brutal puck luck. While his straight line speed isn't what it was, his combination of creativity, aggressive reads (offensively and defensively), edge work, hands, and head fakes are still readily apparent.

He never had any business being treated like a garbage cap dump to a tanking team. It was just a face palm precursor to certain other face palm moves by the Flyers. I don't doubt the Coyotes are smiling right now.

Somehow “I told you so” just doesn’t cut it…

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Only thing worse than this trade is what Fletcher is going to do with that money.

This aged quite well actually.

 

[Mike Jones]

Ghost could have really helped Seattle if Francis had been on the ball enough to grab the free player and picks. He'd be the leading scorer in Seattle right now.

 

[Summer Rose]

Gostisbehere has a team leading 9 points in 12 games (on 19 total goals by Arizona), along with a +9.6 relxGF% and >50 GF% on a 35 GF% team at 5v5. He's 3 points clear of the next Coyote. This doesn't seem like a poor start for a player who the Flyers intermittently and arbitrarily scratched, waived (so they could urgently scratch Lindblom and Patrick), placed in the situation to go unclaimed, and paid a substantial price for the pleasure of trading away for zilch.

The dirty secret about Gostisbehere -- that most Flyers fans here were happy to spill -- is that he was damned good last season 5v5/PP, after an admittedly poor 2019-2020. The Flyers just did everything in their power to erase his confidence and value. They even regularly let Provorov, among the worst high usage PP defenders in the league, take his PP1 spot. Even in his other down years, he was usually good besides some brutal puck luck. While his straight line speed isn't what it was, his combination of creativity, aggressive reads (offensively and defensively), edge work, hands, and head fakes are still readily apparent.

He never had any business being treated like a garbage cap dump to a tanking team. It was just a face palm precursor to certain other face palm moves by the Flyers. I don't doubt the Coyotes are smiling right now.

We're loving the Ghost Bear in Arizona. That we got PAID to take him is absolutely shocking, in hindsight.

 

[ottomaddox]

I really have no idea what the Yotes are doing these days.

An NHL dumping ground.

I have no idea how you can ice a team built like this.

At the best of times AZ looks like a team that's been stripped down.

 

[Mike Jones]

An NHL dumping ground.

I have no idea how you can ice a team built like this.

At the best of times AZ looks like a team that's been stripped down.

A stripped down team with a huge future if it keeps its promise to draft and develop.

Seattle could have done this but for some bizarre reason didn't. And following Arizona's lead wouldn't have been a bad approach given how players like Ghost here have done.

 

[Stealth JD]

A stripped down team with a huge future if it keeps its promise to draft and develop.

Seattle could have done this but for some bizarre reason didn't. And following Arizona's lead wouldn't have been a bad approach given how players like Ghost here have done.

I don’t get this. Seattle is a crap team who will be building the hard way just like Arizona. The Kraken flushed their competitive advantage for the sake of payroll flexibility. Not like they’re following Vegas’ lead.

 

[Fatass]

An NHL dumping ground.

I have no idea how you can ice a team built like this.

At the best of times AZ looks like a team that's been stripped down.

Arizona is rebuilding the best way. They will have top three pićks for the next 3-5 drafts. If they draft well, they should have a young and exciting team just when they move into their new rink.

 

[rt]

He’s been probably the best player on the team.

 

[Mike Jones]

I don’t get this. Seattle is a crap team who will be building the hard way just like Arizona. The Kraken flushed their competitive advantage for the sake of payroll flexibility. Not like they’re following Vegas’ lead.

The two expansions seem different and one of the reasons is the cap situation. Seattle did have their payroll flexibility and for some strange reason didn't use it. Arizona swooped into the void and grabbed the picks the Krackheads really needed. They also grabbed a player (Ghost) who the Kracken could have really used too.

 

[hbk]

An NHL dumping ground.

I have no idea how you can ice a team built like this.

At the best of times AZ looks like a team that's been stripped down.

We are bad by design. What’s Chicago’s excuse?

 

[mja]

We're loving the Ghost Bear in Arizona. That we got PAID to take him is absolutely shocking, in hindsight.

It was stupefying with a little foresight as well. The Flyers willfully sabotaging one of the best defensemen they have ever drafted because they are stuck in 1994 will always be the most infuriating thing I’ve had to watch as a 35+ year diehard, and I lived through the Lindros era.

 

[rt]

An NHL dumping ground.

I have no idea how you can ice a team built like this.

At the best of times AZ looks like a team that's been stripped down.

At least Arizona won round in the bubble. Lol.

 

[moosemeister]

We are going to get a 1st rounder + for him next year when we retain 50% on him. He’s been so good.

 

[Mike Jones]

We are going to get a 1st rounder + for him next year when we retain 50% on him. He’s been so good.

Too bad his contract isn't running out this trade deadline. There's almost too much time for something to go wrong leading up to '23.

 

[belair]

We are going to get a 1st rounder + for him next year when we retain 50% on him. He’s been so good.

I'd probably back off a bit on that expectation. Not taking anything away from him, but this is another example of what can happen when a player being held back by one team gets more of an opportunity elsewhere.

I'll admit it was pretty shocking to see him moved as an outright cap dump though. To replace him with Ristolainen was some otherworldly logic.

 

[rt]

Arizona is rebuilding the best way. They will have top three pićks for the next 3-5 drafts. If they draft well, they should have a young and exciting team just when they move into their new rink.

Agreed.

The Coyotes have failed due to not drafting enough, drafting poorly, and developing badly.

In a little over a year the Coyotes have hired:

General Manager
Bill Armstrong:
STL Scout - 6yrs
STL Dir. Scouting - 8yrs
STL Asst. General Mgr - 2yrs

Scouting Director
Darryl Plandowski:
BUF Scout - 8yrs
PIT Scout - 2yrs
TBL Head Scout - 11yrs
TBL Dir. Scouting - 2yrs

Associate Scouting Director
Ryan Jankowski:
NYI Scout: 2yrs
NYI Asst. General Mgr: 5yrs
MTL Scout: 3yrs
BUF Dir. Scouting - 3yrs

Director of Scouting
Alan Hepple:
NSH Scout: 5yrs
COL Scout: 7yrs
COL Asst. Dir. Scouting: 6yrs
COL Dir. Scouting 6yrs

Head Coach
Andre Tourigny:
QMJHL GM/Head Coach: 11yrs
COL Asst. Coach: 2yrs
OTT (NHL) Asst. Coach: 1yr
OHL VP Hockey Ops/Head Coach: 4yrs
Team Canada U18 Asst. Coach: 1yr
Team Canada U18 Head Coach: 1yr
Team Canada U20 Asst. Coach: 4yrs
Team Canada U20 Head Coach: 1yr
Team Canada WC Asst Coach: 1yr
QMJHL COY: 1yr
OHL COY: 2yrs
CHL COY: 1yr

Assistant GM
John Ferguson:
OTT Scout: 3yrs
STL Asst.GM/Dir.Ops: 7yrs
TOR General Manager 5yrs
SJS Dir. Scouting: 6yrs
BOS Dir. Player Pers./AHL GM: 7yrs

Development Staff
Scott Pellerin:
TOR Dir. Player Dev.: 7yrs

Development Staff
David Oliver:
AHL General Manager: 2yrs
COL (NHL) Dir. Player Dev./AHL GM: 1yr
COL (NHL) Dir. Player Dev./AHL Dir.Ops: 1yr
AHL Asst.Coach/Dir.Ops: 2yrs
AHL Dir. Hockey Ops: 1yr
COL (NHL) Dir. Player Dev.: 4yrs
NYR Asst. Coach: 3yrs
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In the past year, or so, the Coyotes have acquired:

2021 - 1st VAN (9th overall)
2021 - 2nd CBJ (37th overall)
2021 - 2nd COL (60th overall)

2022 - 1st MTL
2022 - 1st COL
2022 - 2nd SJS
2022 - 2nd PHI
2022 - 2nd VAN
2022 - 2nd NYI

2024 - 2nd MTL
2024 - 2nd FLA

Conor Timmins (22)
Josef Korenar (23)
Dylan Guenther (18)
Josh Doan (19)
Ilya Fedotov (18)
JJ Moser (21)
Cole Hults (23)
Vladislav Kolyachonok (20)

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They hired a bunch of really highly regarded young talent identifiers, and a bunch of really highly regarded young talent developers, and then they went out and acquired an absolutely unprecedented haul of young assets under 25 years of age.

So now all of those newly hired, highly regarded young talent identifiers can locate the best young talent and all of those newly hired, highly regarded young talent developers can make sure they are brought along correctly, and progress according to plan.

It's easy for dopes who don't pay attention to say "yeah, yeah, we've seen it all before" but we really haven't. Not if you actually look. If you have a brain and you pay attention you can spot the difference. This is nothing like anything we've seen before.

The Coyotes have absolutely never restructured an entire front-office, hockey ops, and coaching staffs to SPECIFICALLY accommodate an absolutely massive rebuild, based entirely on a proven track-record of success in young talent identification and development.

And while the Coyotes have traded off a bunch of old players before, they've never torn it all the way down to 24 and under, and no team has ever accumulated that massive of a haul of under 24 assets in a single year.

Anyone who thinks all of this isn't wildly unprecedented isn't paying attention. Nobody ever does this. Nobody acquires 3 1sts, 8 2nds, a handful of good prospects under 25 in a single year. Nobody replaces their GM, AGM, Coaching Staff, Scouting Staff, and Development staff in a single year, while simultaneously tearing the entire roster down to the bare studs.

They did this in just over 12 months time.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

He’s been probably the best player on the team.

We aren't very stunned by this.

No idea why management hated this guy so much.

 

[lancer247]

I like Ghost he was a good player with nice skills. Really a situational player on a good team. May be a seventh defenseman. He is a poor man’s Jonathan Michael Liles.
On a bad team he will pile up big numbers with high usage and a lot of power playtime. But he’s not worth his contract that’s why 32 GM’s passed on him for free more than once. He was easily targeted in a long series. He put up nice analytical stats but defensively he was a liability. Teams dumped the puck into his corner knowing that they could push him off the puck and he would avoid board battles spending most of the time one hand poke checking the puck around the board to his defense of partner putting them in a tough spot. He no longer had straight line speed to beat opponents to the puck and exit. You couldn’t expect him to win net front battles but he wouldn’t even tie up a stick.
I think he’ll do well and somebody may pick him up at the deadline but he’s not worth the money he is getting paid

 

[archangel2]

Like how some are pumping these tires. Then I look at the standings