Confirmed Buy-Out [ARI] Antoine Vermette

[uncleben]

Waived it.

He used his NMC to waive the waiver process.
No teams had the chance to actually claim him.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

seems like Montreal is on Vermette's radar

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2...en-bad-coach-weber-finally-shows-up-habs-golf

Montreal Canadiens News and Notes

Former Arizona Coyotes forward Antoine Vermette indicated that he would be willing to accept an offer from the Montreal Canadiens. [RDS]

David Desharnais stated that he looked forward to playing alongside Vermette, should the veteran centre land in Montreal. [RDS]

Funny that Desharnais is supporting such a move, he'd be the one Vermette would most likely replace lol

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

seems like Montreal is on Vermette's radar

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2...en-bad-coach-weber-finally-shows-up-habs-golf

Montreal Canadiens News and Notes

Former Arizona Coyotes forward Antoine Vermette indicated that he would be willing to accept an offer from the Montreal Canadiens. [RDS]

David Desharnais stated that he looked forward to playing alongside Vermette, should the veteran centre land in Montreal. [RDS]

Funny that Desharnais is supporting such a move, he'd be the one Vermette would most likely replace lol

DD knows he's safe with MT and MB... I wouldn't mind it one bit if Vermette signed, as long as it was for cheap. We'd still need to make some moves to be alright with the cap.

Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Carr/Lehkonen-Pleks-Gallagher
Andrighetto/DD-Vermette-Shaw

wouldn't be a horrible top-9

 

[KingPuckChoo]

DD knows he's safe with MT and MB... I wouldn't mind it one bit if Vermette signed, as long as it was for cheap. We'd still need to make some moves to be alright with the cap.

Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Carr/Lehkonen-Pleks-Gallagher
Andrighetto/DD-Vermette-Shaw

wouldn't be a horrible top-9

i actually like this year's Montreal roster

Montreal's a better team with the additions of Radulov, Shaw, and Weber.

more importantly, a full year of Price and Montreal is definitely making the playoffs

I really want Vermette in LA, but i can see how he'd fit in Montreal too

 

[mouser]

He used his NMC to waive the waiver process.
No teams had the chance to actually claim him.

No, the NMC gives the player a choice whether or not they want to be placed on waivers prior to a buyout. The media reports indicate Vermette agreed to be placed on waivers and cleared. It's very rare that NMC players will agree to go on waivers preceding a buyout, but it appears to have happened with Vermette.

 

[Palmer2Fitz]

No, the NMC gives the player a choice whether or not they want to be placed on waivers prior to a buyout. The media reports indicate Vermette agreed to be placed on waivers and cleared. It's very rare that NMC players will agree to go on waivers preceding a buyout, but it appears to have happened with Vermette.

He probably wanted a chance at that 3 mill plus payday.

 

[uncleben]

No, the NMC gives the player a choice whether or not they want to be placed on waivers prior to a buyout. The media reports indicate Vermette agreed to be placed on waivers and cleared. It's very rare that NMC players will agree to go on waivers preceding a buyout, but it appears to have happened with Vermette.

Hmm.. I'd heard the opposite.

I thought he used his option to skip waivers.
The timeline would agree so, no?
He wasn't on a full 24 hours I thought.

 

[Realm]

He probably wanted a chance at that 3 mill plus payday.

Why? Get the pay out and sign where you want. Probably will make more money that way and either way will at least be able to choose where.

 

[BurgoShark]

No, the NMC gives the player a choice whether or not they want to be placed on waivers prior to a buyout. The media reports indicate Vermette agreed to be placed on waivers and cleared. It's very rare that NMC players will agree to go on waivers preceding a buyout, but it appears to have happened with Vermette.

Do you have a link to this? Everything I can find says "placed on unconditional waivers for the purpose of a buyout" . Many players with NMCs have been placed on unconditional waivers prior to buyout. It is standard practice. No team has ever claimed a player from unconditional waivers. Is the difference here that Vermette waived his NMC from the unconditional waivers process? Why would anyone claim him at $3.7m anyway when they could just wait one day and sign him to a much more palatable deal? Even if he gets $1.5m he'll be better off.

There was one article on Yahoo sport that read "Vermette waived his NMC to go on waivers for the buyout" but that is just plain wrong, so the author either doesn't understand the process or he is mixing his terminology. A NMC doesn't give a player any say in whether or not he is placed on buyout waivers... only whether is is placed on regular waivers.

 

[sureloss]

Do you have a link to this? Everything I can find says "placed on unconditional waivers for the purpose of a buyout" . Many players with NMCs have been placed on unconditional waivers prior to buyout. It is standard practice. No team has ever claimed a player from unconditional waivers. Is the difference here that Vermette waived his NMC from the unconditional waivers process? Why would anyone claim him at $3.7m anyway when they could just wait one day and sign him to a much more palatable deal? Even if he gets $1.5m he'll be better off.

From CBA section 11.8 (c)

(c) A no-move clause may prevent the involuntary relocation of a Player, whether by
Trade, Loan or Waiver claim. A no-move clause, however, may not restrict the Club's Buy-Out
and termination rights as set forth in this Agreement. Prior to exercising its Ordinary Course
Buy-Out rights pursuant to Paragraph 13 of the SPC hereof, the Club shall, in writing in
accordance with the notice provisions in Exhibit 3 hereof, provide the Player with the option of
electing to be placed on Waivers. The Player will have twenty-four (24) hours from the time he
receives such notice to accept or reject that option at his sole discretion, and shall so inform the
Club in writing, in accordance with the notice provisions in Exhibit 3 hereof, within such twentyfour
(24) hour period. If the Player does not timely accept or reject that option, it will be deemed
rejected.

However this may be moot because it is now being reported that Vermette's NMC expired on July 1st.

 

[Off Sides]

No, the NMC gives the player a choice whether or not they want to be placed on waivers prior to a buyout. The media reports indicate Vermette agreed to be placed on waivers and cleared. It's very rare that NMC players will agree to go on waivers preceding a buyout, but it appears to have happened with Vermette.

The timing seems strange, if he was placed on Waivers wouldn't it take 24 hours for him to clear?

It was reported he was on waivers, and then like only a couple hours later it was reported that he was officially bought out?

 

[rhinoshawarma]

DD knows he's safe with MT and MB... I wouldn't mind it one bit if Vermette signed, as long as it was for cheap. We'd still need to make some moves to be alright with the cap.

Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Carr/Lehkonen-Pleks-Gallagher
Andrighetto/DD-Vermette-Shaw

wouldn't be a horrible top-9

Vermette would probably push DD out of a job (which I wouldn't mind for V).. Don't see how we have room, and aren't we at 50contracts?

 

[Karl Eriksson]

seems like Montreal is on Vermette's radar

Former Arizona Coyotes forward Antoine Vermette indicated that he would be willing to accept an offer from the Montreal Canadiens. [RDS]

David Desharnais stated that he looked forward to playing alongside Vermette, should the veteran centre land in Montreal. [RDS]

Montreal media indicated that they'd be pleased to welcome the francophone forward to the team and city, only to turn on him viciously within 6 months and treat him as a scapegoat for more systemic failings.

 

[tdfxman]

I listened to his interview in french that was posted. i had like 4 years of french but that was long ago. Can someone talk about what he was saying?? Merci.

 

[Mario le Magnifique]

i actually like this year's Montreal roster

Montreal's a better team with the additions of Radulov, Shaw, and Weber.

more importantly, a full year of Price and Montreal is definitely making the playoffs

I really want Vermette in LA, but i can see how he'd fit in Montreal too

How dare of you to think Weber is a good addition.

 

[Habsfan2731]

seems like Montreal is on Vermette's radar

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2...en-bad-coach-weber-finally-shows-up-habs-golf

Montreal Canadiens News and Notes

Former Arizona Coyotes forward Antoine Vermette indicated that he would be willing to accept an offer from the Montreal Canadiens. [RDS]

David Desharnais stated that he looked forward to playing alongside Vermette, should the veteran centre land in Montreal. [RDS]

Funny that Desharnais is supporting such a move, he'd be the one Vermette would most likely replace lol

I wouldn't be shocked one bit.

Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Andrighetto-Plekanec-Gallagher
Desharnais-Vermette-Shaw
Carr-Mitchell-Byron

If we can sign Hudler too, I'd be ecstatic.

 

[rt]

I wouldn't be shocked one bit.

Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Andrighetto-Plekanec-Gallagher
Desharnais-Vermette-Shaw
Carr-Mitchell-Byron

If we can sign Hudler too, I'd be ecstatic.

That's the most letter-rich (as in consonants and vowels) top nine in the league. The cost of stitching alone! Oye!

 

[Lunatik]

Uh, they waived him and he cleared. Any team could have picked up his contract for less then a 7th round pick.

Why would they do that when being bought out kills his market value, especially this late in summer when they could potentially sign him for half price. Plus Arizona needed to add dead cap space for next year.

 

[mouser]

However this may be moot because it is now being reported that Vermette's NMC expired on July 1st.

That would explain a lot about the timing here if true.

The timing seems strange, if he was placed on Waivers wouldn't it take 24 hours for him to clear?

It was reported he was on waivers, and then like only a couple hours later it was reported that he was officially bought out?

It was reported he was waived on August 1st, and cleared on August 2nd. The buyout paperwork would have all been filed on August 1st or the day before, but the transaction only becomes final once the player clears waivers.

Why would they do that when being bought out kills his market value, especially this late in summer when they could potentially sign him for half price. Plus Arizona needed to add dead cap space for next year.

Only one team can sign him for half the price though. Teams that might be interested in him aren't guaranteed to get him as a UFA.

And the dead cap space angle makes zero sense. All that dead cap space from Vermette is dollar for dollar being paid on the team payroll.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

I wouldn't be shocked one bit.

Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Andrighetto-Plekanec-Gallagher
Desharnais-Vermette-Shaw
Carr-Mitchell-Byron

If we can sign Hudler too, I'd be ecstatic.

I'm extremely skeptical of what Radulov can provide after so long out of the NHL, but if the Habs can also add both Hudler and Vermette, their offence goes from an area of relative weakness to one of immense strength:

Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Hudler ($4 million/one year)
Radulov-Plekanec-Gallagher
Andrighetto-Vermette ($2 million/one year)-Shaw
Carr-Mitchell-Byron
Flynn Danault

Markov-Weber
Beaulieu-Petry
Emelin-Pateryn/Redmond
Barberio

Price
Condon

That leaves around $500K cap space, assuming you can dump Desharnais for nothing. However, I don't know how likely that is when a player with more points last season and just about the same cap hit over the same remaining term was just bought out, but the lack of an NMC might make it easier.

Worst case, the Habs have to package a JDLR or Hudon-level prospect with Desharnais to move him; best case, they add a second-day pick in either 2017 or 2018 when they have lots of them. Either way, Calgary, Carolina and New Jersey all have adequate cap space and all are in a place where they could use a freebie pick or prospect while also shoring up the center position. It'd be a win-win for any one of those clubs- and perhaps even a couple others expected to finish near the bottom again.

 

[HOPE]

I'm extremely skeptical of what Radulov can provide after so long out of the NHL, but if the Habs can also add both Hudler and Vermette, their offence goes from an area of relative weakness to one of immense strength:

Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Hudler ($4 million/one year)
Radulov-Plekanec-Gallagher
Andrighetto-Vermette ($2 million/one year)-Shaw
Carr-Mitchell-Byron
Flynn Danault

Markov-Weber
Beaulieu-Petry
Emelin-Pateryn/Redmond
Barberio

Price
Condon

That leaves around $500K cap space, assuming you can dump Desharnais for nothing. However, I don't know how likely that is when a player with more points last season and just about the same cap hit over the same remaining term was just bought out, but the lack of an NMC might make it easier.

Worst case, the Habs have to package a JDLR or Hudon-level prospect with Desharnais to move him; best case, they add a second-day pick in either 2017 or 2018 when they have lots of them. Either way, Calgary, Carolina and New Jersey all have adequate cap space and all are in a place where they could use a freebie pick or prospect while also shoring up the center position. It'd be a win-win for any one of those clubs- and perhaps even a couple others expected to finish near the bottom again.

i would send hudler off wing way before radulov who is a natural right winger with more talent than hudler

 

[AmeriHab]

Wouldn't surprise me at all if MTL was in. They were trying to get another C for 3rd line duties with Ship???? (I can't remember his name) during the spring but then it fell apart

 

[mariolemieux66]

That's the most letter-rich (as in consonants and vowels) top nine in the league. The cost of stitching alone! Oye!

Add McCarron and Sergachev to the list.

 

[BobbyShehan]

I know I'm gonna get it... but I think at this point, in their respective careers, DD is a more useful player than Vermette. He lost a lot of speed in the past year or so and is not effective at all on the PK. Offensively, he might be a better scorer than DD but the latter is a better play maker and passer. Vermette is much better on faceoffs though. Would be a pretty lateral move for the Habs unless Vermette is willing to sign for less than 2M. Then, what do you do with DD?

 

[SniperHF]

I know I'm gonna get it... but I think at this point, in their respective careers, DD is a more useful player than Vermette.

Barring a rebound from Vermette I agree 100%. I know Montreal fans are annoyed with DD for various reasons but I don't think a drop in replacement of Vermette is the answer. Unless of course you keep both and move one to wing, which actually seems like a decent fit on paper as a pair if one is willing to switch. Seems like the opposite direction the team should be headed in though as an outsider.