Are the Oilers a top 5 contender next season with Jack Campbell?

[North Cole]

That’s what happens when the goalie market for UFAs was horrible this off season

Nah its just goalies being UFA, same stuff was said every year basically. Wouldn't have been any different if we got Markstrom when some Canuck fans were laughing that teams would over pay a guy that old who had 1 good season. He did just fine for CGY this year.

Goal tending is a crap shoot, you sign any guy in the league for a long term contract your liable to see 30-50% of the contract be more down than up. EDM and TOR have other issues than goal tending anyways, I mean they dumped Andy and he popped off this year because Carolina system. Now Soup is gone and itll be different this time apparently. Same with us. We subbed out Talbot, did perfectly fine in MIN this year. Kosk was fine for a bit then stunk for 3 years. Soup will be up and down.

Nothing to do with the market

 

[Three On Zero]

1. You have to consider the grade of injuries. A high ankle sprain is considerably more difficult to play through than some bumps and bruises.

2. All star players, to a certain extent, "feast" on secondary assists. The playoff records that Draisaitl broke, on one good ankle, existed due to secondary assists in the first place.

But hey, don't let logic get in the way of your irrational hate for a certain fanbase, team, or player.

We don’t know the severity or grade of his injury

Nah its just goalies being UFA, same stuff was said every year basically. Wouldn't have been any different if we got Markstrom when some Canuck fans were laughing that teams would over pay a guy that old who had 1 good season. He did just fine for CGY this year.

Goal tending is a crap shoot, you sign any guy in the league for a long term contract your liable to see 30-50% of the contract be more down than up. EDM and TOR have other issues than goal tending anyways, I mean they dumped Andy and he popped off this year because Carolina system. Now Soup is gone and itll be different this time apparently. Same with us. We subbed out Talbot, did perfectly fine in MIN this year. Kosk was fine for a bit then stunk for 3 years. Soup will be up and down.

Nothing to do with the market

Marky did exactly what most Canuck fans said he would, the guy is an absolute stellar goaltender but he does really poorly in high pressure situations. He has some serious Jekyll/Hyde scenarios

 

[Three On Zero]

I think some people are misunderstanding my points about Jack Campbell. I am not arguing that Campbell is an elite goalie or that he's the savior who will lead Edmonton to the promised land. Not at all. (Honestly, I haven't seen enough of the guy to have an opinion one way or the other.)

Statistically, Campbell is a slightly above-average NHL goalie. So is Mike Smith. Statistically, they're probably comparable. (Difference being that Smith is 87 years old and was injured four times in 2021.)

My point here is that what the Oilers desperately need is a functional goalie-tandem that doesn't have locker-room or social issues behind the scenes. And that's (I hope to God) what Cambell - Skinner is going to bring.

Again, I don't believe that clubs like Edmonton (or Toronto, for that matter) require elite goaltending to win. Colorado just won the Cup with their back-up in net. League-average goaltending is enough for these kinds of teams to make the playoffs and compete. And, any league-average goalie can suddenly get hot and go on a run.

I mean, Matt Murray won a couple of Stanley Cups and is probably a below-average goaltender, all things considered.

Basically, I'm just happy the Smith - Koskinen combo is over, as it was not working.


Draisaitl had 21 primary points in 16 playoff games.

So... you fail.

14 primary / 11 secondary. But I still mixed it up with a different stat, so I’ll give you that

 

[Coffey]

14 primary / 11 secondary. But I still mixed it up with a different stat, so I’ll give you that

He’s so f***en good eh

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Oilers should have never got rid of Cam Talbot. He would be the perfect 1B goalie to go with Campbell. And he can step in for long stretches if needed when Campbells confidence is shaken. But I doubt he would come back to Edmonton after the fans ran him out of town from having one bad year.

 

[The Panther]

14 primary / 11 secondary. But I still mixed it up with a different stat, so I’ll give you that

He had 32 points in the playoffs. 7 goals and 14 primary assists = 21 primary points.

 

[The90]

Whatever helps you sleep at night man. During the time I've been born Edmonton won the Cup (I was only 2), went to game 7 in the SCF, had another couple decent runs since.

The Leafs? Yeah, thought so. Hence why your fanbase is so pathetically jealous of another Canadian team that has done 10x more than you have in your lifetime. Oh yeah and we "stole" McDavid from you in the lottery draft.

So you’ve never witnessed your team win the cup either correct?

 

[The90]

I think some people are misunderstanding my points about Jack Campbell. I am not arguing that Campbell is an elite goalie or that he's the savior who will lead Edmonton to the promised land. Not at all. (Honestly, I haven't seen enough of the guy to have an opinion one way or the other.)

Statistically, Campbell is a slightly above-average NHL goalie. So is Mike Smith. Statistically, they're probably comparable. (Difference being that Smith is 87 years old and was injured four times in 2021.)

My point here is that what the Oilers desperately need is a functional goalie-tandem that doesn't have locker-room or social issues behind the scenes. And that's (I hope to God) what Cambell - Skinner is going to bring.

Again, I don't believe that clubs like Edmonton (or Toronto, for that matter) require elite goaltending to win. Colorado just won the Cup with their back-up in net. League-average goaltending is enough for these kinds of teams to make the playoffs and compete. And, any league-average goalie can suddenly get hot and go on a run.

I mean, Matt Murray won a couple of Stanley Cups and is probably a below-average goaltender, all things considered.

Basically, I'm just happy the Smith - Koskinen combo is over, as it was not working.


Draisaitl had 21 primary points in 16 playoff games.

So... you fail.

Currently that’s true for Murray (below average goalie), however he won those cups putting up a .921 in the playoffs and has the highest save percentage in the playoffs of goalies currently in the NHL.

You’re grasping at straws again and telling us ‘you’re just happy the combo is over’, while at the same time saying Campbell won’t do things that he literally did last year. Soft goals, inconsistent play etc.

 

[TOGuy14]

The two biggest issues for Campbell are:

1. Health - good luck keeping him on the ice for 50+ games

2. Mental - he folds quickly and gets down on himself after a bad game. This will probably be worse with a big dollar long term contract pressure plus playing behind a far worse defensive team

 

[Peasy]

Currently that’s true for Murray (below average goalie), however he won those cups putting up a .921 in the playoffs and has the highest save percentage in the playoffs of goalies currently in the NHL.

You’re grasping at straws again and telling us ‘you’re just happy the combo is over’, while at the same time saying Campbell won’t do things that he literally did last year. Soft goals, inconsistent play etc.

Man's trying to have his cake and eat it too. It's hilarious seeing some Oilers fans describe smith and its the exact same shit leaf fans didn't like about Campbell (minus the age difference). Campbell at best is an average goalie. But the thing is he hasn't shown over the course of an entire season playing as a starter that he can be a consistent goalie. Poll leaf fans and probably 90% wouldn't want campbell at 5x5 with the current state of the team but you just have oiler fans in here trying to convince themselves that leafs fans are mad about losing Campbell.

He's gotta have one of the weakest mentals I've seen on a goalie, and that is one of the most important traits for a goalie. That one Detroit game, leafs were up 7-1 and Campbell let's in a terrible goal and the flood gates just open. Another bad goal after bad goal even though the game wasn't even close. His mental was still shot after giving up a poor goal even though they still bad a 5 goal lead against a non playoff team.

 

[Notsince67]

been shown the door in Pittsburg and Ottawa.

Fact is Murray has not impressed anyone since he and Fluery were no longer a tandem.

like 1 team wanted him. Sigh...how memories fade

 

[The90]

Man's trying to have his cake and eat it too. It's hilarious seeing some Oilers fans describe smith and its the exact same shit leaf fans didn't like about Campbell (minus the age difference). Campbell at best is an average goalie. But the thing is he hasn't shown over the course of an entire season playing as a starter that he can be a consistent goalie. Poll leaf fans and probably 90% wouldn't want campbell at 5x5 with the current state of the team but you just have oiler fans in here trying to convince themselves that leafs fans are mad about losing Campbell.

He's gotta have one of the weakest mentals I've seen on a goalie, and that is one of the most important traits for a goalie. That one Detroit game, leafs were up 7-1 and Campbell let's in a terrible goal and the flood gates just open. Another bad goal after bad goal even though the game wasn't even close. His mental was still shot after giving up a poor goal even though they still bad a 5 goal lead against a non playoff team.

I just find it really odd that they’re saying they’re glad Koskinen and Smith are gone because of injuries, soft goals and inconsistent play. Meanwhile that’s exactly how leaf fans would describe Campbell.

When he’s on, he’s great. He’s at the top of his crease, big, square and challenging shooters. When he’s off, he’s small in the back of his crease letting floaters from the top of the circles in. The Gallagher goal in game 7 comes to mind.

I understand why Edmonton signed him. He’s younger, on a long term deal and has shown stretches of great play, but for the purpose of this poll, he does not make Edmonton a top 5 team. It’s in all likelihood more of the same. Stretches of good, stretches of bad. Rinse/ repeat.

 

[The Panther]

Currently that’s true for Murray (below average goalie), however he won those cups putting up a .921 in the playoffs and has the highest save percentage in the playoffs of goalies currently in the NHL.

You’re grasping at straws again and telling us ‘you’re just happy the combo is over’, while at the same time saying Campbell won’t do things that he literally did last year. Soft goals, inconsistent play etc.

Murray's .921 in the playoffs proves my point -- any average-level NHL goalie can get hot and backstop a team on a run. You don't a Jacques Plante or Dom Hasek in the net to win anymore.

As for my grasping at straws and supposedly saying that "Campbell won't do things that he literally did last year", I did not say that. So, no.

 

[23Monahan]

Didn't they just get to the final four with that defense?

Yes and the year before that the Montreal Canadiens played for the Stanley cup

 

[stewy04]

As an oiler fan I would say they are in the 5 to 10 range. I think it's funny that Campbell sucks to leaf fans even though he was not the reason they never went past the 1st round. Always played well in playoffs I thought.

 

[Tairy Greene]

As an oiler fan I would say they are in the 5 to 10 range. I think it's funny that Campbell sucks to leaf fans even though he was not the reason they never went past the 1st round. Always played well in playoffs I thought.

He also wasn't the reason they went to the 2nd round. He's a good enough goalie, but probably not what pushes Edmonton over the top. If you're not already a contender, adding Jack Campbell doesn't suddenly make you one.

 

[Three On Zero]

He had 32 points in the playoffs. 7 goals and 14 primary assists = 21 primary points.

He had 14 primary and 11 secondary

 

[KyleDubasBoyGenius]

Oilers actually had good goaltending last season. they could be worse. That said, I like their overall team. The D looks better to me.

 

[The90]

As an oiler fan I would say they are in the 5 to 10 range. I think it's funny that Campbell sucks to leaf fans even though he was not the reason they never went past the 1st round. Always played well in playoffs I thought.

Most Leaf fans aren’t saying he sucks. We’re saying the reasons you’re excited smith is gone, are the same as the reasons Leaf fans are ok with Campbell being gone.

Inconsistent, injuries, soft goals etc. they’re all an issue for Campbell as well. He was good in the playoffs, however, to use your argument against you, He also wasn’t the reason they got past the first round was he? Not entirely his fault, but it’s also not wrong.

 

[The Management]

I don't think there should be anything controversial about putting the Oilers hovering somewhere around, or perhaps just outside of, the top five mark. I'd personally put four or five teams ahead of them, but I think it's fair to say they're in the mix.

I do think they looked completely outclassed by Colorado, though, and I don't think the difference in that matchup is the addition of Jack Campbell.

 

[The90]

Murray's .921 in the playoffs proves my point -- any average-level NHL goalie can get hot and backstop a team on a run. You don't a Jacques Plante or Dom Hasek in the net to win anymore.

As for my grasping at straws and supposedly saying that "Campbell won't do things that he literally did last year", I did not say that. So, no.

Murray gave the pens .918 goaltending over 5 years. That’s pretty damn close to his playoff save percentage, at the time he was not an average level goalie. He was especially good in his first 2 and fourth seasons. .930, .923 and .919.

All the reasons Smith and Koskinen weren’t working in Edmonton, are the exact same as why Toronto is relatively happy not having Campbell back and rolling the dice with Murray/ Samsonov.

I don't think there should be anything controversial about putting the Oilers hovering somewhere around, or perhaps just outside of, the top five mark. I'd personally put four or five teams ahead of them, but I think it's fair to say they're in the mix.

I do think they looked completely outclassed by Colorado, though, and I don't think the difference in that matchup is the addition of Jack Campbell.

Does that make them top 5 with the help
Of Jack Campbell?

 

[TheOrangeDesk]

I’d rather not enter that cesspool of negativity. Most level headed fans saw it as a combo of a last ditch move when the other available goalies signed elsewhere and a gamble that he knows. It’s risky as hell. But hoping that 1 of them pan out is similar to what he did last year with hyman gone looking for a top line winger. Threw enough deuce at the wall and hoped some of it sticks. Samsonov and Murray get to play behind a very good team. It’s risky and desperate. Not many are saying he’s better than Campbell, but the majority are saying they hate campbells contract.

Then you came to the wrong thread

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

He had 14 primary and 11 secondary

primary and secondary what?

 

[The90]

Then you came to the wrong thread

At least there’s differing views here and actual discussion to be had. I try to stay away from the echo chamber of negativity that is the team pages lol.

I like reading out of town threads from rival fans too. Inside the petty chirps and stuff you get good constructive points from posters as well.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Oilers actually had good goaltending last season. they could be worse. That said, I like their overall team. The D looks better to me.

45 games of Koskinen at a .903 save% isn't "good"