Are the Jets for real or are they going to crash and burn?

[Brominator]

14-1 is very impressive.

Also impressive is the fact that most of their wins are BIG wins, not squeakers. Sure, they've had some weak opponents in their schedule, but they are +36 in goal differential - a very impressive stat for early November regardless of schedule.

They've won their 14 games by an average of 2.7 goals/game.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

If they keep up this pace.

Hellebuyck for the Vezina
Arniel for the Jack Adams

 

[Schennanigans]

You can’t go 14-1 if you’re not a good team. Thats all I’ll say.

 

[nammerus]

Caveat... Two years ago vs. Vegas (eventual Cup champion) included a roster with Ehlers injured, losing Morrissey after a couple of games, and then Scheifele injured for the 5th. No team is going to thrive against a top opponent like Vegas without a #1D, top-end winger, and then losing the top C.

Jets rely on Morrissey more than most teams rely on any D to anchor the back-end.

Any excuses for getting destroyed in last years playoffs?

 

[Adam da bomb]

Any excuses for getting destroyed in last years playoffs?

Why do they need an excuse? It’s in the past. Jets have choked in playoffs, but, should try to live in present. Unlike, fans of original 6 teams who live in past glories and then suck for the last 5 years.

 

[winnipegger]

Any excuses for getting destroyed in last years playoffs?

This is just a silly way to evaluate hockey teams. Penguins going into the 2015/2016 season were on nobodies radar to be back to back cup champs. In 2012 would you have been like "LA ready to get destroyed by Vancouver again". Teams that make the playoffs and lose are always one run away from changing the narrative. If your terrible team never makes the playoffs then your cynicism is warranted.

 

[SSCBLUEJET]

They are the one team who are eve Leafier than the Leafs with this stuff. They simply get dominated in the playoffs and don't put up much of a fight once the series is taken over by the opponent. Two years in a row of seeing that.

End of the day, these early season games are just entertainment. Outside of points for making the playoff, they have basically no impact to result of the season. We've seen in the past decade a lot of examples from the Blues being in last in Jan, to the Panthers just squeaking into the playoffs and going to the finals, to the Oilers being terrible their first 20 games and making the finals, etc.

Jets fans should enjoy it because that is the point of the sport, but in terms of relevance to the playoffs it means less than nothing.

"Outside of points making the playoff (sp)..."

They are the one team who are eve Leafier than the Leafs with this stuff. They simply get dominated in the playoffs and don't put up much of a fight once the series is taken over by the opponent. Two years in a row of seeing that.

End of the day, these early season games are just entertainment. Outside of points for making the playoff, they have basically no impact to result of the season. We've seen in the past decade a lot of examples from the Blues being in last in Jan, to the Panthers just squeaking into the playoffs and going to the finals, to the Oilers being terrible their first 20 games and making the finals, etc.

Jets fans should enjoy it because that is the point of the sport, but in terms of relevance to the playoffs it means less than nothing.

"Outside of points for making the playoff (sp) they have basically no impact to the result of the season "
Wait! What?!

 

[Skidooboy]

Any excuses for getting destroyed in last years playoffs?

what is it? 5 top ten picks a couple of generational level players, and a goalie who was on a statistically unsustainable hot streak….

there’s this narrative that the Jets suck in the playoffs, and outside of one wild run? there SOME truth in that… but it’s not like they lost to some garbage bottom of the league teams.

for the most part they have lost to eventual Conference Champs, or the Cup winning teams..

they have spent the last few years in what is widely advertised as the best division in hockey.

people say the Jets 1.0 sucked in the playoffs, but they always lost to the Oilers or the flames and we’re probably the third best team in the NHL…and couldn’t ever get past the Oilers/Flamed when they were winning cups…

Have they always played well? No but context is important.

 

[Whileee]

Any excuses for getting destroyed in last years playoffs?

Avs were rampant (couldn't keep the pace / usage for top players vs. the Stars).

Avs completely changed their system compared to regular season, and the Jets didn't adjust. In fact, they made the mistake of changing their D that was a bad match vs. the Avs.

Adding Monahan and Toffoli was a bad match for facing the Avs. They slowed the Jets down considerably up front. Now, they are much faster in their top 9.

Hellebuyck was ordinary.

 

[abax44]

Avs beat the Jets handily last playoffs. Is what it is. There is certainly reason to doubt the Jets. Guess it's up to them to prove people wrong.

 

[braunm]

Great regular season team but their playoff issues are, unfortunately, mental. For this reason, I doubt they can make it past the 2nd round.

 

[67 others]

I’ll preface by saying that I actually like the Jets and I hope they will succeed.


But holy crap is this not the same song and dance we’ve seen the past two seasons? IIRC in 22-23 they were first in the west until January, looked absolutely dominant and they ended up in the 2nd WC spot, clinching a spot in the last game or two of the regular season.

Then last year they were setting all kinds of defensive records, allowing 2 or less goals in god knows how many games in a row. Only for them to get their asses blasted (pardon my French) by the Colorado Avalanche in 5 (where they let in 5 or more goals each game, an NHL record).

Is that why no one is talking about their ridiculous 12-1 start to the season? How is the Jets fanbase feeling about them this year? What about fans of other central division teams? I thought Scott Arniel was an underwhelming hire, but they’re doing well.

Is something different about them this year? Or will it be the same song and dance come crunch time?

Hellebuyck has been the most consistent high end goalie in the league for 7 years who gives them a chance to win every night

 

[Adam da bomb]

Great regular season team but their playoff issues are, unfortunately, mental. For this reason, I doubt they can make it past the 2nd round.

Playoffs are like 3 months away, why can’t we just enjoy the now.

 

[PattyLafontaine]

If you watch the games, you definitely see a contender, right now - a month from now... who knows. But it'll be fun while it lasts.

Yep, I know the Sharks are at the bottom but the 8-3 loss to Winnipeg was a complete demolition. The meltdown of the other Canadian fanbases if Winnipeg was the team to break the Cup drought for Canadian teams would be glorious.

 

[JianYang]

Yep, I know the Sharks are at the bottom but the 8-3 loss to Winnipeg was a complete demolition. The meltdown of the other Canadian fanbases if Winnipeg was the team to break the Cup drought for Canadian teams would be glorious.

Actually, the jets would likely be the least controversial Canadian team to win a cup.

I doubt any team in Canada is as regional and gets less coverage than the jets.

Western Canadian teams hate each other, then Ontario and Quebec hate each other, and many people hate Toronto and Montreal to varying degrees.

Winnipeg is kind of there in the middle by themselves.

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

You can only win the games that you are schedule to play.
To criticizes a team for being successful against the teams you were schedule to play is silly.
A 14 -1-0 record is impressive no matter who you have played against.
They were all NHL teams, last time I looked the NHL is the best league in the world.

For perspective though, the Leafs will have played 5 back to backs before the Jets will have played 1.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

For perspective though, the Leafs will have played 5 back to backs before the Jets will have played 1.

The Jets just went 21 days playing 11 games. A game every 2 days for 3 weeks. Everyone has different difficulties in their schedule.

Would they trad a few back to backs for a 3 or 4 day break? Probably.

They played 2 games - then got their bye week. How many teams are lining up to trade bye weeks with the Jets?

Everyone has scheduling challenges. Not all are exactly the same. No team will be successful if they use them as excuses.

 

[PaulD]

I’ll preface by saying that I actually like the Jets and I hope they will succeed.


But holy crap is this not the same song and dance we’ve seen the past two seasons? IIRC in 22-23 they were first in the west until January, looked absolutely dominant and they ended up in the 2nd WC spot, clinching a spot in the last game or two of the regular season.

Then last year they were setting all kinds of defensive records, allowing 2 or less goals in god knows how many games in a row. Only for them to get their asses blasted (pardon my French) by the Colorado Avalanche in 5 (where they let in 5 or more goals each game, an NHL record).

Is that why no one is talking about their ridiculous 12-1 start to the season? How is the Jets fanbase feeling about them this year? What about fans of other central division teams? I thought Scott Arniel was an underwhelming hire, but they’re doing well.

Is something different about them this year? Or will it be the same song and dance come crunch time?

Not necessarily. You're likely bringing this up because you've been watching the leafs for so long.

 

[PaulD]

Most Jets fans on our board are obviously very happy with the start (although is seems to be devastating for our traditional negative posters and the tank nation crew ).

Some reasons why Jets fans have not started threads on the main board about the hot start yet might be, its still early November, Jets fans understand we have sucked in the playoffs all but one season and that is where any main board thread will end up. It’s an understandable reaction since it’s accurate so not much need poke the main board hornets nest.

The vast majority of posters on our board seem to be enjoying the ride while it lasts but we have long season ahead of us and a tougher schedule coming up this month.

personally I am not trying to get ahead of myself on this.

Best start in NHL history. They could play 500 here on in and make play offs.
A luxury coaching staff can utilize

 

[PaulD]

Any excuses for getting destroyed in last years playoffs?

Hellebuyck sucked in play offs against
Aves in 24
Sucked against Habs in 21
Sucked against Knights in 18

He's like Cujo. Hope he plays for States at 4 Nations. Canada will smoke them.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Hellebuyck sucked in play offs against
Aves in 24
Sucked against Habs in 21
Sucked against Knights in 18

He's like Cujo. Hope he plays for States at 4 Nations. Canada will smoke them.

Whoa. In 21 the Jets lost their number one centre for the series because some soft habs player skated into his shoulder. That year is hardly on helle.

The rest yea.

 

[PaulD]

Whoa. In 21 the Jets lost their number one centre for the series because some soft habs player skated into his shoulder. That year is hardly on helle.

The rest yea.

I hear ya. But truth be told. The Habs didn't even have a number one center. They were a 500 team in the "North division" ha!
But they had a goalie who doesn't crack under pressure.
Hellebuyck has been great....but he has one knock nobody can deny. He's yet to bring his A game to the play offs.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Avs were rampant (couldn't keep the pace / usage for top players vs. the Stars).

Avs completely changed their system compared to regular season, and the Jets didn't adjust. In fact, they made the mistake of changing their D that was a bad match vs. the Avs.

Adding Monahan and Toffoli was a bad match for facing the Avs. They slowed the Jets down considerably up front. Now, they are much faster in their top 9.

Hellebuyck was ordinary.

Hellebuyck was awful.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

Not as good as their record, obviously, but "crash and burn"? Highly doubtful.

They'd have to be decimated by injury, including Helley, to miss the playoffs. They've banked a ton of points already.

I'd love to see them go on a nice playoff run. Whiteouts and the Jets' barn jumping is playoff magic.

 

[Jaytee]

For perspective though, the Leafs will have played 5 back to backs before the Jets will have played 1.

And the Leafs, and every other Eastern team, will spend vastly fewer hours travelling than will the Jets or any other Western/Central team. It would be an injustice if the Eastern teams didn’t play more back to backs than the Western teams. The Rangers and Flyers could practically walk to half of their road games (an exaggeration, I know, but not by much), and it’s not much harder for the Leafs.
Everywhere except Minneapolis is a long flight from Winnipeg. Giving them fewer back to backs, if that’s truthfully what happens over the course of a whole season, is not only a logistical necessity, it’s also only fair.