Are the Jets for real or are they going to crash and burn?

[Uncle Scrooge]

Besides the fact that 90% of teams who are in the playoffs at thanksgiving make the playoffs

It's not 90%, rather somewhere in the 70's, but regardless, what does that have to do with a teams ability to do well in the playoffs?

 

[MOGlLNY]

It's not 90%, rather somewhere in the 70's, but regardless, what does that have to do with a teams ability to do well in the playoffs?

The quote was "What happens in October / November doesn't really matter" and I'm letting you know that it's factually untrue. Part of doing well in the playoffs is knowing you're solidified and managing lineup accordingly.

 

[Skidooboy]

It's not 90%, rather somewhere in the 70's, but regardless, what does that have to do with a teams ability to do well in the playoffs?

what does last years playoff have to do with anything?

believing that a thing happening before is going to keep happening is the literal definition of the Hot Hand falicy.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

They are.

That's not what they were saying on TSN this week. They were saying that jets home games are around 13,000 per game.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

That's not what they were saying on TSN this week. They were saying that jets home games are around 13,000 per game.

Sell out today.

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

The quote was "What happens in October / November doesn't really matter" and I'm letting you know that it's factually untrue. Part of doing well in the playoffs is knowing you're solidified and managing lineup accordingly.

And the thread is about whether or not the it will be the same story for the Jets later in the season. So why would anything I post be in any other context?

It's factually true what you do in October/November means nothing in April. Unless you have a time machine, there's 6 months in between.

what does last years playoff have to do with anything?

believing that a thing happening before is going to keep happening is the literal definition of the Hot Hand falicy.

Jets have won 1 round in the last 5 years, and in most recent memory, dominated twice in the first round.

I didn't even say anything about last year being a guaranteed repeat, so I'm a bit confused why you're coming at me, but since you pointed it out, I can't blame people for having a "show me when it's crunch time" attitude before they believe this year will be different.

 

[Skidooboy]

That's not what they were saying on TSN this week. They were saying that jets home games are around 13,000 per game.

you know it’s a 15k arena right?

like 13k is

 

[Buffdog]

Best team in the NHL so far and they can't even draw more than 13,000 fans to their home crowd. This team should be selling out home games.

A team's success or failure on the ice can't overcome the financial reality of its fans

This market did an exceptional job of supporting losing teams when it was able to. Don't judge it for not being able to support a winning team when people are struggling

 

[Goose]

you know it’s a 15k arena right?

like 13k is

Yeah, I have to admit I was previously one of those people scoffing over 13k, not realizing that it represented 87% capacity.

I think most people assume arenas are like 18k or so.

 

[Turin]

I agree, although if winning 21 of their last 22 regular season games doesn’t already make them a “true contender” I’m not sure what would. That’s the equivalent of a ~156-point season.

They have gotten flattened in the first round two years in a row with largely the same team. They need to prove it in the playoffs.

 

[Goose]

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They have gotten flattened in the first round two years in a row with largely the same team. They need to prove it in the playoffs.

Yeah, unfortunately this is always the answer that matters.

 

[Shlep]

It's been a pretty weak schedule so far. Dallas wasnthere toughest opponent so far and oettinger gave them Jets a pretty good head start

But none the less 14-1 to start the season, I'd take that. No to mention helleybuch looking like his bold self that's scary on its own.

I can't imagine how you would blame Oettinger for any single one of those goals. Back door, bad giveaway, unfortunate bounce, tipped off a defender.

 

[Deno]

I don' look to early season results as much of an indicator for playoff success.

What is important right now is try to bank as many points as you can to make punching your ticket easier.

By game 82, the hope is that you are clicking on all cylinders, because that's the better indicator of what will happen moving forward.

One thing I would try on a high level is to reduce hellebyuck's workload for thr regular seaason, and banking these early points might help them afford to do so.

I agree with this but as a Jet fan this run has been really fun.
Winning every other day is a lot better then losing.

 

[Deno]

They have only played four games against teams currently ranked in the top three of their divisions and all were played at Home. They won three of them, losing to the Leafs.
They must be the only team in the League this year that hasn't had to play three games in four nights or even a back to back.
This is the definition of a weak schedule.
Let's see how they do over their next four games.

You can only win the games that you are schedule to play.
To criticizes a team for being successful against the teams you were schedule to play is silly.
A 14 -1-0 record is impressive no matter who you have played against.
They were all NHL teams, last time I looked the NHL is the best league in the world.

 

[JianYang]

I agree with this but as a Jet fan this run has been really fun.
Winning every other day is a lot better then losing.

No doubt. They are banking points and it's great.

I pull for underdog markets like winnipeg. I hope they can carry their best form in the playoffs.

 

[Deno]

Jets beat the Avs… “injured team, backup goalie, regular season, deserve to win o meter” blah blah blah.
15 minutes later.
DALLAS IS THE REAL MEASURING STICK. healthy with a full roster they will probably roast the Jets”

4-1 to go 14-1 …

“Well Dallas was tired from the europe trip, and they won goals for and the Jets were bad in the playoffs last year so….”

lol.

since the start of last year the jets record is 67-25…in the regular season. so what’s more likely… the jets are a bad team who have a bunch of flukey wins? or, the jets on an 8 game win streak entering the playoffs had a bad week against a star studded team and lost ….

I agree with this but until the Jets win when it counts, the POs there will always be some doubt. Being 67-25 in the regular season is meaningless when you lose 4-1 in the first round in the last two POs seasons.

No doubt. They are banking points and it's great.

I pull for underdog markets like winnipeg. I hope they can carry their best form in the playoffs.

This streak will end, It is not a matter of if but when it ends. Until then I am having a lot of fun.

 

[JianYang]

They won't "crash and burn", since they're a pretty good team, but they will certainly come back down to earth. There is no way that a team like that should be dominating to this extent.


Is it really that much? The last two generations of goaltenders (i.e. Brodeur, Hasek, Belfour, Luongo, Lundqvist) would play 70+ games without issue. Last year, he only played 60 games, which shouldn't be too much for a Vezina-winner. And it shouldn't be an excuse for back-to-back sub-890 post-seasons.

These days it's certainly alot. Teams aren't playing goalies to the extent they used to.

It is a marathon, and I doubt anyone has played more than him in the last 5-7 seasons. Given his history, why not try it if you have the luxury to do so.

 

[flyingkiwi]

I've not seen much of them live this year given the time differences across the pond and often crap streaming options, but this is a very good team with few obvious weaknesses beyond the lower D pairings if they can keep playing at this pace.

We were treated to an absolutely fantastic early Europe game last night. December also looking good with Dallas and Leafs rematches on at reasonable hours. Unfortunately not much else until March.

 

[Hobble]

You can only win the games that you are schedule to play.
To criticizes a team for being successful against the teams you were schedule to play is silly.
A 14 -1-0 record is impressive no matter who you have played against.
They were all NHL teams, last time I looked the NHL is the best league in the world.

What team’s fans do not lament their team not showing up against a bottom feeder, and losing to the Phoenix’s, Columbus’, Anaheim’s, or Chicago’s of the league?

If it were that easy, then all of those games would be auto-wins for everyone. But they aren’t, except for the Jets because of their consistent and usually dominant play in recent weeks.

But no, the Jerts must still suck.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

They don't call Winnipeg 'Toronto West' for nothing.

Yeah, right. That's what everybody calls Winnipeg.

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

You can only win the games that you are schedule to play.
To criticizes a team for being successful against the teams you were schedule to play is silly.
A 14 -1-0 record is impressive no matter who you have played against.
They were all NHL teams, last time I looked the NHL is the best league in the world.

The title of the thread is "are the Jets for real or are they going to crash and burn?", I think that they are going to fall back to Earth based on the reason(s) I stated.

 

[Deno]

The title of the thread is "are the Jets for real or are they going to crash and burn?", I think that they are going to fall back to Earth based on the reason(s) I stated.

Of course they will come back to earth. My point was that criticising a 14-1 start because who they played is silly. In the past the Jets use to play up against the good teams and play down against the bad teams. So far this season they have been playing their game no matter who they are playing. They keep that up they will be a top team in the league for the rest of the season. I doubt they will crash and burn but I also know they will not keep playing at a 14 - 1 pace for the rest of the season.

 

[forever1922]

Almost every successful team ever has gone through the same difficulties on the road to becoming elite contenders. Teams are considered chokers until they become the favorites.

I've watched Jets games whenever I've had the chance and they look very strong. For now along with the Panthers they are in a tier above the rest.

Let's see if they have learned from past failures and manage to find the necessary boosts and know how to reload during the latter parts of the season to carry the momentum through the postseason. Rarely do teams learn this stuff themselves, but require a coaching change or additions to the core group to achieve the needed boosts. Latter of which has become extremely rare in the cap era.

 

[Jets 31]

14-1 to start the season sets a new all time record in the NHL, this is just such a incredible start to the season for the Winnipeg Jets and Jets fans.

 

[Whileee]

They have gotten flattened in the first round two years in a row with largely the same team. They need to prove it in the playoffs.

Caveat... Two years ago vs. Vegas (eventual Cup champion) included a roster with Ehlers injured, losing Morrissey after a couple of games, and then Scheifele injured for the 5th. No team is going to thrive against a top opponent like Vegas without a #1D, top-end winger, and then losing the top C.

Jets rely on Morrissey more than most teams rely on any D to anchor the back-end.