Are the Jets for real or are they going to crash and burn?

[Saitama]

This argument that regular season wins are meaningless is garbage. Only 1 team wins the cup, so basing your entire enjoyment of watching a team on whether they end up winning the whole thing is a really stupid way to watch sports. The regular season wins aren't meaningless to the fans who are watching now.

 

[chris kontos]

In vegas' first year in the leauge screwed a great jets team out of advancing past vegas because bettman $$$ wanted vegas in the final.
That jets team had the absolute best defense ( byfugelien, myers, trouba etc) with helle in goal that ive seen since the montreal teams of savard/robinson etc.
I think the nhl owes the jets one.

 

[Jaytee]

In vegas' first year in the leauge screwed a great jets team out of advancing past vegas because bettman $$$ wanted vegas in the final.
That jets team had the absolute best defense ( byfugelien, myers, trouba etc) with helle in goal that ive seen since the montreal teams of savard/robinson etc.
I think the nhl owes the jets one.

I don’t think Bettman screwed the Jets so much as they just had nothing left in the tank after that seven game series against Nashville, which might have been the best playoff series the NHL has seen this century.

 

[mphmiles]

Not as good as their record, obviously, but "crash and burn"? Highly doubtful.

They'd have to be decimated by injury, including Helley, to miss the playoffs. They've banked a ton of points already.

I'd love to see them go on a nice playoff run. Whiteouts and the Jets' barn jumping is playoff magic.

This. You can be a very good team that’s also on an unsustainable heater.

They’re obviously not going to shoot over 14% and save 93% of shots as a team the rest of the year. That also doesn’t mean they’re going to suck when they come back to earth.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I don’t think Bettman screwed the Jets so much as they just had nothing left in the tank after that seven game series against Nashville, which might have been the best playoff series the NHL has seen this century.

The league also was unprepared to call vgk on sheninigans I haven’t heard of done before like turning the light off when other team was practicing.

 

[Jaytee]

The league also was unprepared to call vgk on sheninigans I haven’t heard of done before like turning the light off when other team was practicing.

Yeah, that was pretty classless, but the Jets would have overcome it if they’d had anything left in their tank.
If they had played Vegas in Round 1 they would have disposed of them in five games, like they did the Wild. Nashville just took everything they had left. Had the Predators won that series, Vegas would have done the same to them, which is sad, because both the Jets and Preds had a better team than Vegas.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

For perspective though, the Leafs will have played 5 back to backs before the Jets will have played 1.

And the Leafs, and every other Eastern team, will spend vastly fewer hours travelling than will the Jets or any other Western/Central team. It would be an injustice if the Eastern teams didn’t play more back to backs than the Western teams. The Rangers and Flyers could practically walk to half of their road games (an exaggeration, I know, but not by much), and it’s not much harder for the Leafs.
Everywhere except Minneapolis is a long flight from Winnipeg. Giving them fewer back to backs, if that’s truthfully what happens over the course of a whole season, is not only a logistical necessity, it’s also only fair.

Last year the Jets dominated in back to backs (I won't bother to look it up) but they had a great record in those second games. They are important to consider but not really. I can recall seasons where we were near the tops of back to back games played and for sure one season where we had the most. And that is often with travel too. We can only play the games as they come and see what happens. For me it's not about them maintaining some insane record breaking pace but rather having good bounce back. Great teams rarely lose multiple games or go on long losing streaks. They are going to lose games, it's about how they react to that. Nature of pro sports. At lower levels of sports the disparity between teams is such that often one team could never beat another. They could play 100 times and the same team would win every game. But in pro sports (especially hockey) the worst team can beat the best team on any given night. There's too much luck involved in hockey for that not to be the case.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

They look incredible.

I'd love to play them in the playoffs

 

[Jets 31]

They look incredible.

I'd love to play them in the playoffs

What team do you play for ?

 

[torniojaws]

Since 1985-86 to date, only 8 teams that won the President's Trophy went on to also win the Cup. And the winner has also dropped out in the first round 8 times.

 

[Whileee]

Since 1985-86 to date, only 8 teams that won the President's Trophy went on to also win the Cup. And the winner has also dropped out in the first round 8 times.

It shows that NHL hockey has a lot of randomness and the better teams often don't win playoff series. A lot has to do with match-ups, underlying health (lots of teams have players that are less than 100% healthy in the playoffs), goaltending, and luck.

I don't think it's easy to predict playoff success, but it's I think the Jets are pretty legit as a contender in the regular season. This 14-1 record comes after seasons of 95 and 110 points. They really improved their roster after the 95-point season. It's not like they are coming out of nowhere this season. I just think that many of the Jets' skaters are underrated and they don't have any players considered truly elite, other than Hellebuyck (though I think Morrissey deserves attention as a top-tier D).

 

[White Out 902]

I don’t think Bettman screwed the Jets so much as they just had nothing left in the tank after that seven game series against Nashville, which might have been the best playoff series the NHL has seen this century.

No. We were the better team. Skaters vs. skaters. Fleury put on a clinic, and Helley was his usual playoff self in that series. It was terrible how badly we were goalied.

Since 1985-86 to date, only 8 teams that won the President's Trophy went on to also win the Cup. And the winner has also dropped out in the first round 8 times.

Historically, the NHL's No. 1 seed has been the most successful in terms of winning the Stanley Cup, having captured it more frequently than other seeds.

So I'm not sure what you're getting at.

 

[wintersej]

The Jets forever problem is overworking Helly.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Since 1985-86 to date, only 8 teams that won the President's Trophy went on to also win the Cup. And the winner has also dropped out in the first round 8 times.

Yet something like 90% of all Stanley Cup winners are top 4 teams.

 

[PhilJets]

Great 14-1 to start.

Hopefully Jets keep on winning and we see again in the playoffs.

I like winning so i am enjoying this.

Anyways at the end of the year only one team is left happy anyways.

Hope they can keep this up its soo much fun…

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

The people gathered to stop the jets, but lo, the jets cannot be stopped.

I’ll be honest- thought the Schiefele deal was a mistake, at the least. Didn’t know about Helly like that. They’re just rolling depth, right?

 

[My3Sons]

Fireman Ed says the Jets are for real but I'm skeptical after reading Rodgers comments after the loss.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

This team just keeps on rolling. They will be judged by how they do in the playoffs though. Hellebuyck needs to overcome his past playoff demons if he wants to go down as one of the best goalies of all time.

 

[Deno]

This team just keeps on rolling. They will be judged by how they do in the playoffs though. Hellebuyck needs to overcome his past playoff demons if he wants to go down as one of the best goalies of all time.

Agree about Helle.
About a week ago I listen to the Jets radio pre game show and they had a panel of guys answering this question. Is Helle a HOF goalie already?
They all answered no. But if he win another Vezina or a SC he absolutely will be a HOFer.
I think he would also would have to add a Conn Smythe Trophy to his resume to ever be considered one of the all time greats.

 

[Daximus]

Agree about Helle.
About a week ago I listen to the Jets radio pre game show and they had a panel of guys answering this question. Is Helle a HOF goalie already?
They all answered no. But if he win another Vezina or a SC he absolutely will be a HOFer.
I think he would also would have to add a Conn Smythe Trophy to his resume to ever be considered one of the all time greats.

I don't think there are any retired goalies with at least two Vezinas that aren't in Hall. If he continues being a solid goalie for the next few years he's likely to get in even if he doesn't win a cup. But it will be awhile before he does. If this team manages to make it to the promised land its very likely its on his back and if that happens he's basically a lock for the Hall.

 

[benfranklin]

Crash and burn. I love Helle but he proved last playoffs how he is very Jekkyl/Hyde.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Any excuses for getting destroyed in last years playoffs?

14-1 start no matter who it is , is impressive.
Playoff games are a long way off.
Some teams take a while to figure it out, who’s to say the Jets don’t.
Easy schedule ?, that means the opposing teams had equal opportunity to win or is it only the Jets who had an easy schedule, the opponents had a difficult schedule which would mean the Jets are good?

 

[Brominator]

Since 1985-86 to date, only 8 teams that won the President's Trophy went on to also win the Cup. And the winner has also dropped out in the first round 8 times.

Yeah, but teams that win the president trophy win the cup a lot. If you include teams that won the Cup the previous year or teams that win the cup the following year, Presidents Trophy winners win the cup a whopping 42% of the time.

E.g. Colorado won the Presidents Trophy in 20-21, then won the Cup in 21-22. Tampa won the Presidents Trophy in 18-19, then won the Cup in 19-20. etc, etc...

Good teams are good teams.

 

[KCC]

Real or not it all comes down to Hellebuck. Can't win if you have awful goaltending when it matters come playoff time.

 

[MBTendy]

Frauds until proven otherwise in playoffs.