OT: Anything Goes 40

[Pez68]

If they're not for you, they're not for you.

For me, there's motivation to work harder in a seniority based career because you know you'll reap the rewards for your hard work.

In a "merit" based position, there is no motivation to work hard because even if you kill yourself and make tons of personal sacrifices to advance your career, you could still end up with nothing.

You have this completely ass backwards because of your f***ed up cynical, pessimistic mental state. You're bordering on full blown conspiracy theorist here. Careers, picking jobs, and advancing in careers, is just as much about being able to read people(your bosses/leadership) as anything else. Plenty of companies operate based on merit. Plenty of companies afford extra flexibility to the guys they deem valuable. Plenty of companies reward those employees with promotions and raises based on their accomplishments. Finding those companies isn't that difficult. When I'm interviewing for a job, I'm interviewing the company, the manager, and the leadership at that company, just as much as they are interviewing me.

And even if you "end up with nothing" at a position, you leave that position with EXPERIENCE. EXPERIENCE that goes towards advancing your career at other companies... Working hard and accomplishing goals at a company, even if it doesn't lead to promotions and raises at THAT COMPANY, is extremely valuable.

You see, seniority in a field is actually a thing in pretty much every industry. A guy with 20 years of IT engineering experience is worth way more than a guy with 5 years of IT engineering experience, doing the same job.

You just don't get it.

 

[RayP]

You have a skill set that makes that possible. Genuinely mean it when I say good for you.

Edzo's gone hey?

Maybe I’ll take up broadcasting next. Hard to be much worse than Konroyd and he’s got a paying gig.

 

[TLEH]

I’m not shocked people are so upset by it but I just don’t know why the more I think about it.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

With all the shit you spew on here, bro, you can't exist in any company. You apparently aren't capable of just putting your head down, and working, and getting yourself paid.

If you said any of this shit that you've said on here over the last few pages, in an interview, I'd immediately end it and send you on your way, with your resume and contact info going right in the shit can as soon as the door closed behind you. No way in hell I'm hiring someone with the kind of outlook you have on things. Maybe that's part of why you're having trouble with getting and keeping a job? Especially if you're starting in with these types of discussions within a couple weeks or months of joining a company.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but someone as cynical as you, is not an enjoyable person to work with.

I don't talk to people about this stuff at work.

I see work as 100% transactional. I come in, do job, get paycheck. You get to profit off my labor. I have no time for bullshit or office politics. Just give me the tools I need to do it. You'd be surprised how hard that is for bosses to do.

I am a perfectionist by nature so I take every job VERY seriously. I expect nothing but the best from myself each and every day.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

If they're not for you, they're not for you.

For me, there's motivation to work harder in a seniority based career because you know you'll reap the rewards for your hard work.

In a "merit" based position, there is no motivation to work hard because even if you kill yourself and make tons of personal sacrifices to advance your career, you could still end up with nothing.

As somebody with a seniority based career you're out of your mind. It works. It's a job. That's all it'll ever be. You won't care.

 

[ChiHawks10]

I don't talk to people about this stuff at work.

I see work as 100% transactional. I come in, do job, get paycheck. You get to profit off my labor. I have no time for bullshit or office politics. Just give me the tools I need to do it. You'd be surprised how hard that is for bosses to do.

I am a perfectionist by nature so I take every job VERY seriously. I expect nothing but the best from myself each and every day.

Bro. Stop this line of thinking. YOU also get to profit off YOUR labor.

And you're gonna tell me that you've never shown your cynicism to anyone, in any way, shape, or form, at a job? Come on... you literally bare your ass full moon with that shit in every.single.post.on.here.

You look at the entire world like it's unfair to you, treats you like shit, won't reward you for anything, is constantly trying to beat you down, and that the only problem is EVERYONE ELSE. Sorry, but at some point, you need to stop blaming everything and everyone else, and take accountability for things.

I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm genuinely trying to help you like I have been for years now. You truly need to change your perspective on things.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

You have this completely ass backwards because of your f***ed up cynical, pessimistic mental state. You're bordering on full blown conspiracy theorist here. Careers, picking jobs, and advancing in careers, is just as much about being able to read people(your bosses/leadership) as anything else. Plenty of companies operate based on merit. Plenty of companies afford extra flexibility to the guys they deem valuable. Plenty of companies reward those employees with promotions and raises based on their accomplishments. Finding those companies isn't that difficult. When I'm interviewing for a job, I'm interviewing the company, the manager, and the leadership at that company, just as much as they are interviewing me.

And even if you "end up with nothing" at a position, you leave that position with EXPERIENCE. EXPERIENCE that goes towards advancing your career at other companies... Working hard and accomplishing goals at a company, even if it doesn't lead to promotions and raises at THAT COMPANY, is extremely valuable.

You see, seniority in a field is actually a thing in pretty much every industry. A guy with 20 years of IT engineering experience is worth way more than a guy with 5 years of IT engineering experience, doing the same job.

You just don't get it.

This is the issue......I am incapable of doing the bolded.

I cannot read anyone. I have gone to interviews. Someone asked me how it went, I always say I have no idea.

It takes me years of interactions with people to be able to pick up minor things.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Bro. Stop this line of thinking. YOU also get to profit off YOUR labor.

And you're gonna tell me that you've never shown your cynicism to anyone, in any way, shape, or form, at a job? Come on... you literally bare your ass full moon with that shit in every.single.post.on.here.

You look at the entire world like it's unfair to you, treats you like shit, won't reward you for anything, is constantly trying to beat you down, and that the only problem is EVERYONE ELSE. Sorry, but at some point, you need to stop blaming everything and everyone else, and take accountability for things.

I just want everyone else to stop putting up barriers at every street corner on the road of life and then maybe I'd chill a bit.

All it would take is just one, little drop of success for my entire attitude to change.

I've been beaten down, chewed up and spit out. I'm pissed.

At least from my perspective, when I start a new job it's exciting and I'm pretty positive, and eager to learn.
The biggest issues that I have is interpreting instructions and/or remembering them if given verbally, and mental rigidity/"getting stuck" while problem solving.

Either asking too many questions or over correcting and not asking enough have been my issues.

 

[ChiHawks10]

I just want everyone else to stop putting up barriers at every street corner on the road of life and then maybe I'd chill a bit.

All it would take is just one, little drop of success for my entire attitude to change.

Again with the blaming everyone else. How about you try changing your attitude, and the success may follow?

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Again with the blaming everyone else. How about you try changing your attitude, and the success may follow?

Why should I believe in myself when there's no evidence to support it?

This is like the textbook definition of toxic positivity culture.

Oh, believe in yourself. Think positively, and good things will happen.
Biggest crock of shit ever told. Biggest scam in the history of scams.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Why should I believe in myself when there's no evidence to support it?

This is like the textbook definition of toxic positivity culture.

Oh, believe in yourself. Think positively, and good things will happen.
Biggest crock of shit ever told. Biggest scam in the history of scams.

And therein lies your problem.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

I hate to break it to you, but not every story of perseverance and hard work, and attempting to overcome obstacles has a happy ending.

You want to know why I'm cynical?

A couple years ago, I went and applied for a part time job at a gas station. I asked if I could have a chair at the register so that could rest my feet because I had a disability. I said I could do the job with that accommodation. They told me no on the spot. I don't think that was an unreasonable accommodation request at all. I would have brought my own chair. I just wanted permission.


I had an interview for a professional position years ago and I asked if I could bring a digital recorder to meetings because I have auditory processing issues and I'd need to go back and see if I missed anything important. I was told that that wasn't possible for legal reasons. What laws are they breaking?

 

[ChiHawks10]

I hate to break it to you, but not every story of perseverance and hard work, and attempting to overcome obstacles has a happy ending.

Bro, there is no helping you.

If you don't believe in yourself in any way, then how the f*** do you expect other people to? It's no different with happiness and relationships. If you're not happy, yourself, how do you expect to be happy with someone else, or for someone else to be happy with you? It doesn't work the way you want it to work. It just doesn't.

 

[ChiHawks10]

You want to know why I'm cynical?

A couple years ago, I went and applied for a part time job at a gas station. I asked if I could have a chair at the register so that could rest my feet because I had a disability. I said I could do the job with that accommodation. They told me no on the spot. I don't think that was an unreasonable accommodation request at all. I would have brought my own chair. I just wanted permission.

Then look at a different gas station, or a different store, or a different job. There are numerous places out there that WILL make that accommodation for you. This line of thinking that ONE place wouldn't do it, so the rest of the world can f*** off, is such a terrible attitude to have.

 

[Sarava]

Why should I believe in myself when there's no evidence to support it?

This is like the textbook definition of toxic positivity culture.

Oh, believe in yourself. Think positively, and good things will happen.
Biggest crock of shit ever told. Biggest scam in the history of scams.

Why don't you believe in yourself? You have some crazy views on some things, but you seem intelligent and you say you work hard. That's the hard part. You're failing at the easy part.

And I'll put my 2 cents in that I much prefer a merit based system over seniority. I never went to college, and through hard work, a good attitude, being pretty good at my job, and being mostly likable to co-workers and bosses - I've made myself a good career as a project manager in printing.

But keep in mind - being great at your job isn't just the job performance itself, but also working well with others, showing up every day on time, being well liked by co-workers (you typically spend more time with co-workers than your wife). You need to do your job great and gell well with your office or workplace.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Bro, there is no helping you.

If you don't believe in yourself in any way, then how the f*** do you expect other people to? It's no different with happiness and relationships. If you're not happy, yourself, how do you expect to be happy with someone else, or for someone else to be happy with you? It doesn't work the way you want it to work. It just doesn't.

This is the thing.......I do believe in myself. I know I have marketable skills in a few technical areas. I know I can do certain jobs very well. The huge issue that I have is that, as you know, when I'm confident I come across like an arrogant prick and when I'm not I come across like a mope. I can't hide it. That's just me.


Also, I can't read people to save my life and I'm prone to oversharing/undersharing/verbal diarrhea.

Another issue is that for me to do a job every day, I have to enjoy some aspect of it. The last job I had, I hated and found really boring but I liked my coworkers so it was doable.

 

[ChiHawks10]

This is the thing.......I do believe in myself. I know I have marketable skills in a few technical areas. I know I can do certain jobs very well. The huge issue that I have is that, as you know, when I'm confident I come across like a prick and when I'm not I come across like a mope. I can't hide it. That's just me.

You literally just said "Why should I believe in myself when there's no evidence to support it?"

I had an interview for a professional position years ago and I asked if I could bring a digital recorder to meetings because I have auditory processing issues and I'd need to go back and see if I missed anything important. I was told that that wasn't possible for legal reasons. What laws are they breaking?

It could be that they can't legally allow you to record because you could be recording proprietary information, information about clients that they're responsible for protecting, proprietary methods, software, or any other number of things. Especially in specific fields. Corporate espionage is a thing...

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

You literally just said "Why should I believe in myself when there's no evidence to support it?"



It could be that they can't legally allow you to record because you could be recording proprietary information, information about clients that they're responsible for protecting, proprietary methods, software, or any other number of things. Especially in specific fields. Corporate espionage is a thing...

Ok, for an engineering job that actually makes sense. That sucks, because I can't do that job without it.
Yeah I never really considered intellectual property. I thought they were breaking laws or something.

You literally just said "Why should I believe in myself when there's no evidence to support it?"

I do question myself because if others don't believe in me, why should I believe in myself? What good does it do other than delusions of grandeur?

Mods, can we split this into the AG thread? Thanks.

 

[Giovi]

If they're not for you, they're not for you.

For me, there's motivation to work harder in a seniority based career because you know you'll reap the rewards for your hard work.

In a "merit" based position, there is no motivation to work hard because even if you kill yourself and make tons of personal sacrifices to advance your career, you could still end up with nothing.

This is the biggest load of horse shit I've read in a while.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Good damn your exhausting

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

This is the biggest load of horse shit I've read in a while.

There's actually a lot of evidence that "merit" based promotions are very discriminatory.

Bosses tend to promote people that are like them, or they see themselves in. It's just basic human psychology.
It doesn't matter how good someone is at the job.

So naturally, a certain type of person ends up in leadership roles.


I'm not asking for much at this point. I'd do pretty shitty jobs right now as long as they're ok with me working part time and having limited hours.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Why don't you believe in yourself? You have some crazy views on some things, but you seem intelligent and you say you work hard. That's the hard part. You're failing at the easy part.

And I'll put my 2 cents in that I much prefer a merit based system over seniority. I never went to college, and through hard work, a good attitude, being pretty good at my job, and being mostly likable to co-workers and bosses - I've made myself a good career as a project manager in printing.

But keep in mind - being great at your job isn't just the job performance itself, but also working well with others, showing up every day on time, being well liked by co-workers (you typically spend more time with co-workers than your wife). You need to do your job great and gell well with your office or workplace.

I kinda believe in myself and I kinda don't. Like I know that I can do stuff, but I question it a lot mostly because of the lack of success.
Why do I believe in myself but others don't? Am I the one that's off base here?

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

This is the biggest load of horse shit I've read in a while.

That's just my philosophy. It's not for everyone.
I don't do well with open-ended goals. They don't work for me.

If x then y works for me.

Anyway, the world isn't built for people like me. I don't really blame anyone, it just isn't. Nobody did it on purpose. It was done out of ignorance more than anything else.

My brain is just different. Things that work for you guys, don't for me.

If anyone is interested, I suggest you guys watch this movie:

Persona: The Dark Truth Behind Personality Tests (2021) ⭐ 5.6 | Documentary

1h 25m | TV-MA

m.imdb.com

 

[Space umpire]

When I was 18 I worked seasonal at UPS one year. The amount of things I saw the full time people get away with was pretty wild. The senior people got all the best routes that were often an hour from the center, two hours window time a day, over 8 is OT. Guys making 120 bucks just driving back to the center at the end of his shift.

Are you suggesting they drive back for free?

 

[featherhawk]

Easy replacement for Eddie going forward.

when I read they were reaching out to former players Sharp was the first that came to mind...wonder if he would want the committment....