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He's having a down year

It's pretty normal for most superstars

Drasaitl 2018 eas a down year for him

Mack post rookie 3 seasons were very down

Kucherov 2020 was a down year

McDavid is the only guy not to have a down year who he's been compared to but that's because McDavid is the greatest player in the NHL and like the 2nd or 3rd best all time when he retires behind Gretzky and lemieux

He'll bounce back to 50 goals and 100+ pts next season
 
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Larcos_Unal said:
If he's playing through something that's affecting his shot, he should be shut down til playoffs. I think that's part of the reason they traded for ROR and not a winger, it's insurance.
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NHL doesn't do load management like that though.

Players want to play, stars especially. Even if you can make a rational case to do it, not worth burning the bridge with the player, especially with a contract negotiation that will start only a few months from now
 
Imagine a scenario where the Leafs go to the SCF and then trade Auston in the offseason.
 
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WillyC said:
Imagine a scenario where the Leafs go to the SCF and then trade Auston in the offseason.
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Unlikely to happen.

Dubas truly seems to enjoy walking guys right out the door UFA for nothing so I imagine it will either be that or he re-signs Matthews to a 5 year contract for an absolutely outrageous sum ( to an even worse degree than the RFA deals when the players didn't hold all the power).
 
WillyC said:
Imagine a scenario where the Leafs go to the SCF and then trade Auston in the offseason.
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Leafs will most likely not get out of the first round. Auston holds all the power on what happens moving forward.
 
Bomber0104 said:
I half agree with you.

The Leafs are fully capable of winning a single playoff round.
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That has been proven otherwise. I really want to see them win obviously but highly doubtful. Most likely done in 5 Games.
 
Dekes For Days said:
For the record, the phrase "insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result" is often misunderstood.
It refers to a process where all inputs and outputs are 100% consistent. That is not hockey, and thus, the phrase is not applicable to hockey. Something is always different and outcomes are always variable and uncertain.
Unfortunately, the meaning of this phrase often gets twisted in an attempt to argue in favour of changing something specific and significant that the individual personally wants, that doesn't actually need changing, that can't be supported or justified otherwise.
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You are correct, it is not the definition of insanity. However it is an example of stupidity.
 
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IF ONLY DUBAS' CHECKBOOK COULD EVER HAVE A DOWN YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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freshwind said:
good post ... I will go one further ... if one of the "core" needs to be moved I would seriously look at marner ... I am not sure marner has any further to grow .. I do not think he has improved this year, but I think willie has a lot of room to still grow.
this is not a marner hate post but realistically if we need to readjust, imagine the return for marner at the draft?
I can see matthews, nylander, even ror as being an easier negotiation than mitch ...
but regardless of any of our thoughts and biases, management needs to sit down with all of them before the draft and know where they are going, that may make the decision for management for them...
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Notsince67 said:
I have said far better things about Nylander and for longer than you and Marner. You fanboys act like you own this player. I am a fan yet you attempt to cast me as a hater.
Gonna start blocking you folks with a fetish
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hamzarocks said:
He's having a down year

It's pretty normal for most superstars

Drasaitl 2018 eas a down year for him

Mack post rookie 3 seasons were very down

Kucherov 2020 was a down year

McDavid is the only guy not to have a down year who he's been compared to but that's because McDavid is the greatest player in the NHL and like the 2nd or 3rd best all time when he retires behind Gretzky and lemieux

He'll bounce back to 50 goals and 100+ pts next season
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I hope you're right re. Matthews and that he wakes up in time for the playoffs.

I also have to say that there is a consensus on who the top 4 all-time are, McDavid is not likely to do any better then be #5 (which is still damn good obviously) and I myself have Orr #1. That said, the top 4 are all very different players and they are very difficult to compare for a number of reasons but in any case, Orr and Howe say hello.

Larcos_Unal said:
IF ONLY DUBAS' CHECKBOOK COULD EVER HAVE A DOWN YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I'm laughing at this and I'm not quite sure why. In any case, this obviously not the real Superman, the Johnny Walker Red is a dead giveaway. Superman obviously drinks Lagavulin.
 
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That has been proven otherwise. I really want to see them win obviously but highly doubtful. Most likely done in 5 Games.
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Gamblers' fallacy, remember.

I'm not saying they're a shoe-in for Conference Finals or anything, just that one freakin round is entirely in the realm of possibility.
 
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Bomber0104 said:
I half agree with you.

The Leafs are fully capable of winning a single playoff round.
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Well a lot of fans may not want to hear this. But, I think if the Leafs lose in the first round again and Matthews doesn't have a contract extension signed by the start of next season, management has to trade him.

As if losing in the 1st round year after year after year after year after year wasn't bad or embarrassing enough, if they allow Matthews to walk without getting anything back in return? I think that would be a million times worse.
 
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mikeyz said:
Well a lot of fans may not want to hear this. But, I think if the Leafs lose in the first round again and Matthews doesn't have a contract extension signed by the start of next season, management has to trade him.

As if losing in the 1st round year after year after year after year after year wasn't bad or embarrassing enough, if they allow Matthews to walk without getting anything back in return? I think that would be a million times worse.
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If the Leafs lose in the first round, it's very doubtful Dubas is back.

Fan pessimism and disengagement has never been higher after all of those consecutive losses.

We're going to have not only a Matthews and Nylander problem but also a new management issue to deal with in the off-season.

There may not be anyone available to navigate that short-window of Matthews being available to negotiate with before his NMC kicks in and he controls exactly where he goes or doesn't until next July...
 
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mikeyz said:
Well a lot of fans may not want to hear this. But, I think if the Leafs lose in the first round again and Matthews doesn't have a contract extension signed by the start of next season, management has to trade him.

As if losing in the 1st round year after year after year after year after year wasn't bad or embarrassing enough, if they allow Matthews to walk without getting anything back in return? I think that would be a million times worse.
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We have to get a handshake deal in place before July 1st this year
 
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egd27 said:
You are correct, it is not the definition of insanity. However it is an example of stupidity.
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"Hockey is all luck-based so any decision can be somehow twisted and spun into a very correct one!"

That paragraph in a nutshell.

A convenient, foolishly stupid fall-back argument for losers who never win.

Winners don't make any excuses and make their own luck, err, "variables" .:biglaugh:

Wouldn't want to mis-quote anyone!
 
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Bomber0104 said:
If the Leafs lose in the first round, it's very doubtful Dubas is back.

Fan pessimism and disengagement has never been higher after all of those consecutive losses.

We're going to have not only a Matthews and Nylander problem but also a new management issue to deal with in the off-season.

There may not be anyone available to navigate that short-window of Matthews being available to negotiate with before his NMC kicks in and he controls exactly where he goes or doesn't until next July...
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there really isn't anything to negotiate , he'll name his price if he wants to stay and we'll either agree or he'll walk
 
hotpaws said:
there really isn't anything to negotiate , he'll name his price if he wants to stay and we'll either agree or he'll walk
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Matthews smashed the last RFA standard.

I imagine he'll want to break the Ovechkin 16.9% cap hit standard he hit, and doing it with just a 5 year contact and the chronic injury problems that he seems to deal with most years.

Ovechkin did 13 years last time...

There would be a short-window for the Leafs to trade him to another team for assets, and one that has the handshake or thinks they have what it takes to get him locked into that 5-year $15M+ contract he's definitely going to be after...
 
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Bomber0104 said:
Matthews smashed the last RFA standard.

I imagine he'll want to break the Ovechkin 16.9% cap hit standard he hit, and doing it with just a 5 year contact and the chronic injury problems that he seems to deal with most years.

Ovechkin did 13 years last time...

There would be a short-window for the Leafs to trade him to another team for assets, and one that has the handshake or thinks they have what it takes to get him locked into that 5-year $15M+ contract he's definitely going to be after...
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yup it's scary what he'll be looking for but i don't see him wanting a 5 yr deal , i think he'll either sign for 2/3 yrs or 8 yrs , if he goes 5 yrs it take him to 31 which might not ideal for him to max out dollar wise compared to going short and being a ufa again before he's 30
 
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hotpaws said:
yup it's scary what he'll be looking for but i don't see him wanting a 5 yr deal , i think he'll either sign for 2/3 yrs or 8 yrs , if he goes 5 yrs it take him to 31 which might not ideal for him to max out dollar wise compared to going short and being a ufa again before he's 30
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He won back to back Rockets and the Hart last year, he’ll seek max term for sure. With his injuries he won’t risk a short deal.
 
Regardless my concern hasn’t changed since preseason - can he elevate his game and push this team beyond round 1?

I’m still not convinced
 
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