Speculation: Any interest in Liljegren for a mid round pick?

[WarriorofTime]

Without digging up the CBA clause, there's a short window where a team could sign a North American (trained) prospect who went undrafted and had remaining draft eligibility. I believe the window closes once the player returns to junior after being a camp invite.

Notably Martin Jones was undrafted in 2008 and impressed the Kings as a camp invite, so they signed him. On the flip side, LA had Radko Gudas as an undrafted camp invite in summer 2009. They would have liked to have signed him, but Gudas hadn't played a full draft season in North America so he was required to go through the 2010 Draft. The North American / European provision caused some confusion among NHL teams when the Flyers / Oilers tried to sign Tomas Hyka and Vladimir Tkachev.

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I vaguely recall that the Sharks used to sign an undrafted guy or two every summer to make up for trading away a bunch of draft picks. Sharks signed Michael Sgarbossa after he went undrafted in 2010 and he'd win the OHL scoring title in 2011-12.

Columbus tried to trade back into the 7th round in 2015 for local kid Kole Sherwood but were unsuccessful. Sherwood went undrafted and Columbus signed him that summer. Sherwood was slated to go to Boston University, but signing the ELC meant that he was now ineligible for the NCAA. So he'd end up going the OHL route. Not sure if he would have stayed with BU had he been drafted.

I have a memory of when the 2011 Draft concluded, a few staffers from various teams rushed into the stands presumably to recruit some undrafted kids to attend their prospect camp.

Thanks!

So basically:

18/19 year old goes undrafted -> gets invited to a rookie camp on a tryout basis -> can be signed to an ELC up until the point where he'd go back to Junior camp, at which point, he's back in next year's draft pool.

AND, has to be both (essentially) a CHL kid (can't play in NCAA with a pro contract) and North American.

So it's a fairly niche group (even if you like a kid in your rookie camp being willing to sign him to an ELC when you didn't throw a low pick on him a couple months earlier, most of low picks teams wait to sign to see how they progress to begin with) most of the time.

 

[Edgelord]

Yeah, I remember being mad when the Flyers picked up Zamula and Myers soon after the Flames training camps and it was regarded as like finding a free first and second round pick. I'm surprised both aren't second pairing mainstays and actually struggling. They showed a surprising bit of promise early on.

What would the Flames be interested in, futures wise added to Lilj to get Sharangovich?
1st?, Cowan?, Minten?

 

[Figgy44]

Doesn’t look like he’s fast.

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Thanks. I forgot about the Edge stuff.

Based on this info though, it doesn't seem like he's skating at all. There's no distance or bursts of speed. If I didn't have a name, the info showing for the skating metrics seem like they are from someone that just kinda stands around.

What would the Flames be interested in, futures wise added to Lilj to get Sharangovich?
1st?, Cowan?, Minten?

I'm not a good person to ask. But I do think the Flames are in a situation where they'd immediately want to start trying to consolidate quantity for quality, so I'm assuming prospects ready to make the jump as a top 9 mainstay vs futures a few years out? You'd have to ask other Flames fans more in the know.

But I'm also not sure if trading Rango now makes a lot of sense.

 

[leafsfan2point0]

Ideally he gets a chance to rebuild some trust soon. He’s a better player than what his current value is.

 

[Michoulicious]

He's gone fo sho.

 

[Jared Dunn]

I feel like the Sharks would take a flyer on his upside since their RD depth is pretty shallow. Swap for Nico Sturm?

 

[jaric1862]

IF the leafs trade him right now, he's at his lowest value. He hasn't been given a shot under Berube. If I were rebuilding team with a lot of cap space, I would be all over this situation.

 

[jaric1862]

I feel like the Sharks would take a flyer on his upside since their RD depth is pretty shallow. Swap for Nico Sturm?

We need a center, but we have too many forwards as it stands (With IR we have 15 NHL forwards). I think a pick or a more "steady" veteran Dman is more likely.

 

[seanlinden]

We need a center, but we have too many forwards as it stands (With IR we have 15 NHL forwards). I think a pick or a more "steady" veteran Dman is more likely.

Even defencemen... the Leafs are fairly bloated given that they seem to like Timmins, Myers, and of course Hakanpaa.

What the Leafs really need, is to do a quantity-for-quality swap. Liljegren and Jarnkrok for a $4m #3 centre would be perfect kind of thing.

 

[Budz]

I think there’s real opportunity to make hockey trades for Tree. Need a decent C or a PPQB D man

I would consider moving any of:
Lilly
Woll (when healthy)
Kampf
Janrkrok
Robertson

Gotta think Woll/Robbie/Lilly would fetch something decent. 7 million ish in Salary.

 

[OrrNumber4]

We need a center, but we have too many forwards as it stands (With IR we have 15 NHL forwards). I think a pick or a more "steady" veteran Dman is more likely.

Liljegren for Rutta...

 

[Crow]

Haven’t read the whole thread but if a team likes him enough to think he can find his game, they could give up very little for him, just to trade him elsewhere with retention in a year and a half for something more substantial.

 

[kihei]

If we could get rid of Oleksiak, I would love the Kraken grabbing Lilly with a third or fourth round pick.

 

[Vitto79]

I feel like the Sharks would take a flyer on his upside since their RD depth is pretty shallow. Swap for Nico Sturm?

Type of team that should go after him if TO is in cap hell

 

[HockeyVirus]

I know we will get almost nothing of value for him, but this is going to suck. He is going to find a home and probably isn't a top pairing guy but he certainly can be a top 4 guy.

 

[seanlinden]

I think there’s real opportunity to make hockey trades for Tree. Need a decent C or a PPQB D man

I would consider moving any of:
Lilly
Woll (when healthy)
Kampf
Janrkrok
Robertson

Gotta think Woll/Robbie/Lilly would fetch something decent. 7 million ish in Salary.

Doesnt quite work that way...

You can't "package" Liljegren, Kampf and Jarnkrok ($7.5m in cap hits), and expect to bring back a $7m player. You need to consider that you still need a full roster... which means at the very least you're paying $800k each for "replacement" players.

For example, right now, Jarnkrok doesn't even fit on the roster and the Leafs have $1 in cap space.

If trading him & Liljegren, you can still only bring back a $3m player... maybe a $3.775m player as right now the Leafs are running a 23-man roster, and you could theoretically run a 22 man.

 

[WTFMAN99]

The issue is the Playoff Teams don't really need a $3 million depth DMan that is sitting out for the Leafs (who don't have that great a D core). The non-Playoff teams, sure worth a waiver, but 25 [young but not that young] and a UFA in 2026, and again, not so good that he's sitting out for the Leafs, means he's probably not in any long-term playoffs. A late pick, yeah, but I don't think anyone is sending, say a 3rd round pick just because he's 25 and a RHD.

I think at at worst a 3rd but maybe a 2nd.

Defenseman can take a while, Forsling, Stralman...it wasn't even their 2nd team necessarily they broke out, sometimes it's the 3rd-4th team.

No point in trading off Liljegren for a 5th at this time, defense is also a wear and tear position. Hakanpaa isn't back yet but his health is not assured. Timmins has been playing over Liljegren but his durability is also questionable.

Lundkqvist pulled a 1st and I could think of other examples of guys pulling decent picks but we may just simply disagree on his value and that is okay.

I can't predict the future, I could be wrong, you could be wrong but I think we'll get an answer before the New Year.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Defenseman can take a while, Forsling, Stralman...it wasn't even their 2nd team necessarily they broke out, sometimes it's the 3rd-4th team.

Those guys were ultimately available for absolutely nothing before they landed.

 

[cheesymc]

I’d like to see the Ducks offer a roster player like Vaakanainen, or Lunderstrom… both similar former 1st round picks in the same age range. We need another RHD.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

With some retention there is no reason he can’t get a 6th/7th round pick

 

[WTFMAN99]

Those guys were ultimately available for absolutely nothing before they landed.

Definitely, I think Forsling even hit waivers.

There are things in Liljegren that you can see...there is a chance he will break out elsewhere in the right environment with the right partner etc, gets his confidence.

Just want to get okay value back.