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Player Discussion Anton Forsberg

JD1

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Flamingo said:
Agreed on Forsberg’s part. But Stu should have tied up or boxed out the front after the first shot. And even despite getting some slack for being a forward… a young forward… his anticipation defensively at the start of the wide drive was amateur. I would describe his effort as lackadaisical.
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You know how fast that play happens in real time? I wouldn't blame that goal on a defencemen on that play, let alone a forward. It's a nothing shot from a nothing angle.
 
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JD1 said:
You know how fast that play happens in real time? I wouldn't blame that goal on a defencemen on that play, let alone a forward. It's a nothing shot from a nothing angle.
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OK, DJ.

The nothing shot from a nothing angle didn't go in. Harley chipped at his own rebound. Stu stops moving his feet after he pivots and ineffectively sweeps his stick after Harley's already behind him. The goal's 95% Forsy's fault, but if Stu walks away from that thinking there wasn't room for improvement, that's the exact problem that's plaguing this team.

An on the nothingness of the shot, it was a low-angle backhand shot from eight feet with another Dallas player charging the slot. As low-percentage a shot as it was, it was a dangerous play.
 

JD1

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Flamingo said:
OK, DJ.

The nothing shot from a nothing angle didn't go in. Harley chipped at his own rebound. Stu stops moving his feet after he pivots and ineffectively sweeps his stick after Harley's already behind him. The goal's 95% Forsy's fault, but if Stu walks away from that thinking there wasn't room for improvement, that's the exact problem that's plaguing this team.

An on the nothingness of the shot, it was a low-angle backhand shot from eight feet with another Dallas player charging the slot. As low-percentage a shot as it was, it was a dangerous play.
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So now you're down to it being only 5% Stu's fault. Lol. There shouldn't have been a rebound.

95% Forsberg. Sure. I'm good with that.
 
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its no coincidence that all goalies that come here play like shit. go elsewhere and are much better.

the players break the goalies.
 

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Agent Zub said:
its no coincidence that all goalies that come here play like shit. go elsewhere and are much better.

the players break the goalies.
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We need a new goalie coach. I don't care what the players do, they should stop these easy ones.
 
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Looking at goaltending stats for Ottawa is going to be very misleading, this is NOT a NHL team

There's a lot of individual talent so it skews things up but it's literally impossible to have good stats for a goalie in Ottawa. What Forsberg did in 2021-22 was almost a miracle
 
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Agent Zuuuub

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senators101 said:
How do you explain all the players sucking?
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dj given a spoiled bunch of young forwards who all need contract extensions on a team that lost all its talent so he spoils and coddles them and lets them cheat to put up offensive numbers led by a captain who sat out after a 50 point season to demand more money.

DJ needing to keep spoiled kids happy
spoiled forwards breaking the d
spoiled forwards and broken d break the goalies.

= everyone sucks

a new coach is going to come here and he is going to have a headache.
 

JD1

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Flamingo said:
Way to charge head-long into missing the point.
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Says the pot calling the kettle black.

You're a guy on the internet looking at a very weak goal against and trying to establish a percentage of fault against a player. In this case 5%. How do you know it's not zero? Or 10% or 20%?

It was a shitty goal against. It shouldn't have gone in. On most goals against there's often something more a player could have done. But there's a reliance on your goalie making easy saves. It's just the way the game is played.
 
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Ottawa hasn't allowed a lot of shots this year, which means defensively they are ebteer.

Goalies are both horrific. If Carolina waives Raanta , wtf is Forsberg still doing on this team. Sogaard whould be here, and the cap space will be much appreciated with Forsberg waived
 

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coladin said:
Ottawa hasn't allowed a lot of shots this year, which means defensively they are ebteer.

Goalies are both horrific. If Carolina waives Raanta , wtf is Forsberg still doing on this team. Sogaard whould be here, and the cap space will be much appreciated with Forsberg waived
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odd man rushes have been horrific
 

OD99

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The expected sv% is awful.

Yes, the team can still be bad defensively but there are a ton of goals going in that shouldn't.

Goalies get paid to stop the puck, period. They aren't doing that. You just can't win when you give up 4 or 5 goals on 25 shots against.

Players games are affected when they don't trust their goalie - it is a 2 way street.
 
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JD1 said:
Says the pot calling the kettle black.

You're a guy on the internet looking at a very weak goal against and trying to establish a percentage of fault against a player. In this case 5%. How do you know it's not zero? Or 10% or 20%?

It was a shitty goal against. It shouldn't have gone in. On most goals against there's often something more a player could have done. But there's a reliance on your goalie making easy saves. It's just the way the game is played.
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The percentage statement was rhetorical.

Stu's play there was just an example of what I see generally as our two defensive failure modes. First, an aloofness. And second, a failure to adapt which leads to scramble plays where our defenders lose their assignments.

If you think that general description is wrong, have at it. If you think Stu's play on that shortie wasn't an example of that, well, that's not the main point.
 
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coladin said:
Ottawa hasn't allowed a lot of shots this year, which means defensively they are ebteer.
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Number of shots have nothing to do with it, it's the GIFT WRAPPED goals

Systemic, execution, focus, bad habits, cheating, lack of cohesion, poor puck support, etc... they find so many ways to literally GIVE FREE GOALS to the other team. It happens to every team but the amount it happens to us is just ridiculous.
 
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While he didn't steal this game tonight for us, he was really steady. That save on the breakaway when it was 2-1 early in the second was huge. Game could have really turned had that got on. Got some help from Stutzle as well. Hope he gets a second straight start. He's earned it.
 
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Sensrule said:
While he didn't steal this game tonight for us, he was really steady. That save on the breakaway when it was 2-1 early in the second was huge. Game could have really turned had that got on. Got some help from Stutzle as well. Hope he gets a second straight start. He's earned it.
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Last time he earned a start he shit the bed. These goalies can't generate any momentum
 
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