Speculation: Another year of this Bluc **** (The 2024-25 season thread)

[tbrown33]

He was already way down the batting order, going to be near impossible to crack the lineup once he comes back unless someone else gets injured.

You are underestimating this team's ability to get injured.

 

[tbrown33]

And before anyone says it's the PLD effect, note he was even WORSE away from PLD

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Joe Patarino on twitter was tracking shot assists all season - I think he had PLD leading the team in slot assists. He probably would have had ~10 more assists with a league average winger.

 

[All The Kings Men]

Joe Patarino on twitter was tracking shot assists all season - I think he had PLD leading the team in slot assists. He probably would have had ~10 more assists with a league average winger.

there are some players that perfectly demonstrate why getting caught up on numbers and a spread sheet view of the game is totally worthless

 

[tbrown33]

there are some players that perfectly demonstrate why getting caught up on numbers and a spread sheet view of the game is totally worthless

lol do you care to elaborate? Laferriere lead the team in individual high danger chances at 5v5 bc he was fed a lot of chances.

 

[All The Kings Men]

lol do you care to elaborate? Laferriere lead the team in individual high danger chances at 5v5 bc he was fed a lot of chances.

I don't wanna hear any statistical arguments about Pierre-Luc Dubois

 

[tbrown33]

I don't wanna hear any statistical arguments about Pierre-Luc Dubois

1. Pierre Luc Dubois was very bad and no one is disputing that
2. His linemates sucked too and there's enough evidence to suggest he would have produced more points with players who were better than league average.

You handwaving relevant statistics doesn't change that, esp since you are a Kings employee. "I don't wanna hear" it from anyone on the payroll.

 

[bland]

Any argument that Dubois was held back by a rookie with zero pro experience who did ALL of the work on his line is beyond laughable.

 

[tbrown33]

Any argument that Dubois was held back by a rookie with zero pro experience who did ALL of the work on his line is beyond laughable.

No one is saying "held back." I said he'd have some more assists if he had a more capable linemate receiving the same slot opportunities. Laferriere was mostly an anchor on any line he played on.

 

[AbsentMojo]

I don’t think he’s arguing that Laf is the best fit for PP1, more that you don't automatically put the best 5 skill guys on the line which I agree with. They system the run will have 5 ‘roles’ on the unit and they are unlikely to be filled by the top 5 skilled player.

FWIW I’m not convinced Laf is the right guy for pp1 but I’m ok with him on the top line. I’ve been high on him since we drafted him and he’s grown and developed each year. I was very confident he’d make it and I do see him as a potential middle six guy, similar in value to Iaffalo and perhaps a little more. He’s a very coachable guy so he’s certainly worth a look with Kopi but Hiller will mix it up if needed, he’s got plenty of form for it.

I do agree QB needs a major pp role. If pp2 gets a decent share of each 2 mins (50 seconds ish) I’d be fine with him running pp2, but if not I think he should (and will) end up on pp1.

I hear you. I dont know - my assessment of Laf is he is a good puck carrier, good speed, good tenacity.. but noticeably imparied in offensive creativity.. very one dimensional, cant find the open guy in the o-zone, sort of Dustin Brownish North/South game but without any finish. That isnt the kind of guy i want on PP1 / half court offense .. ever. But 100% agree Im willing to see what happens - just on the face off it - seems like a bad fit. What I love about QB in that role (assuming its the net front fole).. is his size, reach, tenacity and offensive instincts... seems like a better fit. But i wont beat that horse any more for now.

 

[Lt Dan]

I don't wanna hear any statistical arguments about Pierre-Luc Dubois

Can we argue about how much PLD looks like Dick Dastardly?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

No one is saying "held back." I said he'd have some more assists if he had a more capable linemate receiving the same slot opportunities. Laferriere was mostly an anchor on any line he played on.

As evidenced by every one of lafs metrics being worse AWAY FROM PLD

I feel like no one is lettting that sink in

Again I like the guy but Christ he’d better get better and quickly

 

[All The Kings Men]

You handwaving relevant statistics doesn't change that, esp since you are a Kings employee. "I don't wanna hear" it from anyone on the payroll.

THAT'S fair.

The rest of it? Not so sure.

 

[tbrown33]

THAT'S fair.

The rest of it? Not so sure.

"not so sure" should be your tagline because all you do is speak in riddles

 

[King'sPawn]

I don't wanna hear any statistical arguments about Pierre-Luc Dubois

Any argument that Dubois was held back by a rookie with zero pro experience who did ALL of the work on his line is beyond laughable.

Come on, guys. Don't you like polishing turds you already flushed away?

As evidenced by every one of lafs metrics being worse AWAY FROM PLD

I feel like no one is lettting that sink in

Again I like the guy but Christ he’d better get better and quickly

I haven't seen all the numbers, and I'm sorry if I missed it. But what was the competition and role he was put in? PLD was also given favorable deployments (i.e. starting in the offensive zone).

So how much of it was being on a line with Dubois and how much of it was Dubois?

 

[DoktorJeep]

I don't wanna hear any statistical arguments about Pierre-Luc Dubois

How convenient. The pivot from strength down the middle to testicular fortitude is less credible, FYI.