Post-Game Talk: Another embarrassing loss

[Ianturnedbull]

Freddie Andersen had to play behind some pretty leaky Leaf teams, but he never had the worst save percentage in the NHL.

2 things are true:

Samsonov is playing pretty bad and he's been like this since the beginning of the season (noticeably swimming, etc.)

The Leafs have to be better defensively.

Ilya's position is too important. Right now with the way he's playing any goalie is better. That includes Prospects with no NHL experience.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Welcome to Toronto. The goalie graveyard.

Samsonov
Soup
Sparks
C Mac
Murray
Kallgren
Mrazek
Hutch
Freddie

I'd take Game 7 Freddie 10 times out of 10 over Samsonov right now. That's how broken he is.

 

[Drytoast]

I think you need to go look at what the top goalies are making this year.

There are zero making 7-10.

Vas (who has 2 cups) was injured, and Bob just got Florida to the finals. Price is retired (also seen the finals) and Murray who is retired (almost 7 mil) has 2 cups.

 

[Nineteen67]

I'd take Game 7 Freddie 10 times out of 10 over Samsonov right now. That's how broken he is.

Yep. Even Game 7 Freddy wins last night.

 

[darrylsittler27]

This team is going out in the first round..again. Someone incredibly stupid is running this team and quite frankly Im bored. The model is broken any Pejorative Slur can see that.

 

[Mitch nylander]

Sammy has been horrific no question. But why does it seem every goalie eventual gets shelled here.

Andersen was awful his last year, Campbell broke down with .880 the second half.

Mrazek? Murray? Rittich? Enroth? Sparks?

This has been a systematic issue for a long time, I think it’s both coaching and the result of what we’re putting in front of the goalie.

 

[ACC1224]

One thing we can all agree on is it’s going to take longer than we’d like for the damage done by Dubas to be fixed.
I can’t imagine there are any Leaf fans out there that aren’t delighted he negotiated himself out of a job here.
Such a waste.

 

[DarkKnight]

One positive, Benoit is getting better and better. He’s looking like a realistic 6 D man, and for me he looked most confident with the puck this season last night.

 

[Nineteen67]

One thing we can all agree on is it’s going to take longer than we’d like for the damage done by Dubas to be fixed.
I can’t imagine there are any Leaf fans out there that aren’t delighted he negotiated himself out of a job here.
Such a waste.

it shouldn’t take more than 2 yrs. The problem is they should have started the rebuild in May by firing the coach, and trading some of the pending FA, like Brodie.

 

[DarkKnight]

One thing we can all agree on is it’s going to take longer than we’d like for the damage done by Dubas to be fixed.
I can’t imagine there are any Leaf fans out there that aren’t delighted he negotiated himself out of a job here.
Such a waste.

I have zero doubt, if he was still here Sam wouldn’t have gone to arbitration and we’d be looking at a dead money contract moving forward.

 

[ToneDog]

One thing we can all agree on is it’s going to take longer than we’d like for the damage done by Dubas to be fixed.
I can’t imagine there are any Leaf fans out there that aren’t delighted he negotiated himself out of a job here.
Such a waste.

I can think of at least 3. LOL. Hell, one blames this tire fire on Tre. If only our D could defend as well.

 

[ACC1224]

I have zero doubt, if he was still here Sam wouldn’t have gone to arbitration and we’d be looking at a dead money contract moving forward.

100% he would have signed him 5x5.

 

[Gary Nylund]

And yet he had more than his share of fans. I never understood that.

Leaf fans need someone to love I guess, I always preferred Wregget myself

What happened to your prediction of a win? I’m not confusing you with the Amazing Kreskin anytime soon………

That 3rd goal by Columbus was a great example, Gio and Brodie leave a BJ unattended in front of the net by a astounding 10’, now that’s bad defence……….

Predicting a win is one thing, that guy keeps guaranteeing wins. He never learns either, he's basically become a parody of himself.

The defence is just so bad. Not as bad as the goaltending, but still really bad.

planning to out score a bad defence and awful goaltending is not a recipe for success imo………

Keefe’s trying to deflect blame, it was his genius idea to start a goalie he knows can’t stop a beachball………

The homers who think we played well last night are hilarious. Yeah with better goaltending, we would have managed to squeak out a win against one of the worst teams in the league, big deal. How anyone could defend this bunch of cupcakes after the way they played with a one goal lead in the third period is beyond me.

We're now .515 in regulation hockey, good for 8th in the East and 15th overall. Funny to think of how people here have laughed at Lou and the Islanders, how that team is a tire fire yada yada yada. Not saying they're great or anything but in regulation, they're 5th in the East and we're 8th.

One thing we can all agree on is it’s going to take longer than we’d like for the damage done by Dubas to be fixed.
I can’t imagine there are any Leaf fans out there that aren’t delighted he negotiated himself out of a job here.
Such a waste.

Dubas biggest mistake was betting that this core was worth betting on, 99% of GM's would have done the same.

 

[DarkKnight]

100% he would have signed him 5x5.

Even 3 x 4, which will counter the “he let Campbell walk” crowd.

 

[Drytoast]

Sign Willy to whatever he wants, then ask him to play goal I guess?

 

[Gary Nylund]

100% he would have signed him 5x5.

Dubas made some mistakes like all GM's do. If you want to single out mistakes he made and criticize him for that, that's one thing but why do you feel the need to make stuff up? The guy's gone now, not sure why people like you are still obsessed with him.

He was smart enough to not sign Campbell long term though and there's literally no reason to think he would have signed Sammy to a 5x5 deal.

Even 3 x 4, which will counter the “he let Campbell walk” crowd.

He did let Campbell walk which is a pretty good indication that he would have done the same with Sammy. Dubas made some big mistakes, no need to make stuff up that he didn't do. Tre's the guy now, we have to hope he'll do better than Dubas but so far it really doesn't look that way now does it?

 

[Gallagbi]

Sammy has been horrific no question. But why does it seem every goalie eventual gets shelled here.

Andersen was awful his last year, Campbell broke down with .880 the second half.

Mrazek? Murray? Rittich? Enroth? Sparks?

This has been a systematic issue for a long time, I think it’s both coaching and the result of what we’re putting in front of the goalie.

We play a different system across many of them and I don't think it's a coincidence half that list is out of the league and many of the ones still in it have been declining since they left.

 

[Nineteen67]

Dubas made some mistakes like all GM's do. If you want to single out mistakes he made and criticize him for that, that's one thing but why do you feel the need to make stuff up? The guy's gone now, not sure why people like you are still obsessed with him.

He was smart enough to not sign Campbell long term though and there's literally no reason to think he would have signed Sammy to a 5x5 deal.


He did let Campbell walk which is a pretty good indication that he would have done the same with Sammy. Dubas made some big mistakes, no need to make stuff up that he didn't do. Tre's the guy now, we have to hope he'll do better than Dubas but so far it really doesn't look that way now does it?

I can’t blame Treliving for not blowing it up because he didn’t know what he had, but why not make a coaching change?

 

[Gallagbi]

100% he would have signed him 5x5.

Doubtful given how he handled goalies here. Feels more like he'd have signed for mid 3's to a 1yr deal and then inked a Quick/Stolarz type for 3rd string.

We would likely have more defensive help infront of the goalies, but I doubt it matters with Sammy's play recently

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I don't know if anyone remembers, but the Samsonov/Murray acquisitions were incredibly risky. Dubas was crazy lucky he got that production last year from both players. I don't think there was much protest from fans when Woll came up and took the net during the playoffs. Murray/Samsonov were floundering/injured. Samsonov got a 1 year contract for a good reason. Also Washington seemed to have good instincts about him too.

 

[notbias]

I have zero doubt, if he was still here Sam wouldn’t have gone to arbitration and we’d be looking at a dead money contract moving forward.

Just like he did with Campbell...

We have about 9 million in wasted cap right now, have we ever had this much before? All signings from this year.

 

[Gallagbi]

Just like he did with Campbell...

We have about 9 million in wasted cap right now, have we ever had this much before? All signings from this year.

Where's the 9 from? Kling + Reaves + Sammy?

 

[notbias]

Where's the 9 from? Kling + Reaves + Sammy?

Pretty much... luckily we have Klingberg on LTIR and Reaves can almost be buried fully.

Two bad signings and I don't blame him for Samsanov, not sure anyone predicted him to be this bad.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I can’t blame Treliving for not blowing it up because he didn’t know what he had, but why not make a coaching change?

Fair question. I would also say that Tre had a pretty good idea of what he had but other than trading Marner as his first order of business, what can he do really? Nylander as a rental has limited value, JT has the NMC, extending Matthews had to be done and he did it ...

He's in a pretty tough spot IMO. Sure you could say he has all this talent to work with but this box of cupcakes has shown that when the going gets tough, they go home so getting them over the top seems like the impossible dream at this point. But at the same time, all that talent you figure has a punchers chance always so hard to say tear it down either. And even if you wanted to tear it down, there are all those NMC's in the way. That's why I predict he'll keep doing what Dubas did, build around the core the best he can and hope for the best. So the tear down probably won't happen for another 5 years or so when the cupboards are empty and the future is so bleak, the stars will be begging to be traded.

 

[Gallagbi]

Pretty much... luckily we have Klingberg on LTIR and Reaves can almost be buried fully.

Two bad signings and I don't blame him for Samsanov, not sure anyone predicted him to be this bad.

It made sense to bring Sammy back, not sure arbitration was the route, but who knows if it would have made a difference. Kling and Reaves have been pretty predictable, albeit surprising they were THAT bad