Post-Game Talk: Another craptacular display: Sens 5-2 win

[Mory Schneideur*]

I think a huge issue a lot of people are avoiding is our approach to entering the offensive zone. We have to accept the fact that we don't have the speed/age/strength/whatever to forecheck after constantly dumping the puck in.


I cannot believe how many times this season we dumped the puck in and lost possession immediately. Also, turnovers. If we fix these issues we won't give our D (including our goaltender) so many chances to **** up.

Absolutely correct. We could have a brick wall in front of the net, but it won't help if the 5 guys in front aren't playing well together.

 

[guitarguyvic]

But it ignores something about stats.
Devils have horrid D, but they keep shots low while at the same time allowing too many Quality chances.

Right now Nabokov, Mason, and Fleury all have much better Sv% than Schneider, Lundqvist, and Halak

Yes the Devils have given up too many quality chances since last season. Still doesn't justify having almost the worst save % in the entire league.

If Marty plays anything more than a backup role this season, you can include goaltending as one of the main contributing factors for a ****** record.

 

[njdevils1982]

I've played NHL94 before, you have no idea what you're talking about.


Seriously, here's someone who gets it.

i once got told i couldnt play a game in a beer league game cause my pads were 'not safe' or some insurance bullcrap....(i used old school brown pads that just pass my knee cap, thin ****ers...the kind you see in street hockey these days)......also cut up old licence plates and made a rib protector that fits to cover the abdomen.......

....to play that day i had to agree to play in modern pads the kind that are the butterfly style.....and for those that dont know the position its a COMPLETELY different feel in net if youre used to the way you learned.

i could barely move around the ice or crease and felt like a marshmallow. (NOT BULL******)

try and get up with a **** load of gear on like that and it sucks.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Why do we even have to talk about whether or not Marty is still "good" or not? The only questions we should care about are.."Is he could enough to cover for this team''s mistakes? Is he good enough to get this team a win if/when they play decently in their own end? Is he capable of performing consistently throughout an entire 60 minute hockey game?" The answer to all of those is no. And I don't see how anyone could argue otherwise.

 

[Mory Schneideur*]

Well I never said he should retire. He definitely should not be the starter anymore, and a couple more bad games like tonight then I think he should be given a Kevin Weekes workload for the remainder of the season.

I getchya. I'm not calling you out specifically here, but good lord, I try to defend Brodeur a bit and you get the witch hunters come out saying "your in DENIAL", "you have no idea what you're talking about" and such.

Then I say I haven't seen anything spectacular out of Schneider and people suddenly think I'm saying Brodeur is much better than Schneider.

We are 0-7. I haven't seen a solid enough 60+ minute effort from either goalie and thus haven't seen a W yet. Have they been bad, no not really & maybe playing Schneider more might get us more of a chance to get the W, but I haven't seen much to make a real judgement after 3 games each.

 

[R8Devs]

Dude what are you talking about Schneider was the reason why we were in both the Vancouver and Winnipeg game. The way he played is more than solid enough to determine he should be the #1 option.

 

[Jossipov]

Yes the Devils have given up too many quality chances since last season. Still doesn't justify having almost the worst save % in the entire league.

If Marty plays anything more than a backup role this season, you can include goaltending as one of the main contributing factors for a ****** record.

Yes, it does. It is what makes a huge difference in save percentage. What would be Quick's excuse for being in the bottom 10? That he's a terrible goalie? Is Bishop super elite and Lundqvist a bottom barrel?

 

[I Hate Tie DOMI]

Marty is quite arguably the WORST statistical goalie in the NHL this year.

how you can say he hasnt been bad is mind boggling.

We even lose at this because Devan Dubynk has been much worse.
5GP 4.91 GAA .854SP 0W 4L 1SOL

 

[Mory Schneideur*]

Why do we even have to talk about whether or not Marty is still "good" or not? The only questions we should care about are.."Is he could enough to cover for this team''s mistakes? Is he good enough to get this team a win if/when they play decently in their own end? Is he capable of performing consistently throughout an entire 60 minute hockey game?" The answer to all of those is no. And I don't see how anyone could argue otherwise.

I get what you're saying, but you don't have a goalie to bail you out of all your mistakes. They are there to prevent goals, but its hard to do that if the opposing team gets tons of high quality chances night in and night out.

 

[Jossipov]

We even lose at this because Devan Dubynk has been much worse.
5GP 4.91 GAA .854SP 0W 4L 1SOL

I'm fairly certain Thomas is worst than that right now

 

[Oneiro]

Not to make excuses or anything, but...the guy did recently lose his dad.

Call me crazy, but sometimes, people aren't focused when they're still grieving.

I think Marty has been bad no question and tonight's game makes it look like he's done. But perhaps there's something other than age behind it? At least right now.

Just a thing to consider.

 

[TrufleShufle]

I get what you're saying, but you don't have a goalie to bail you out of all your mistakes. They are there to prevent goals, but its hard to do that if the opposing team gets tons of high quality chances night in and night out.

the shots were 42-23..

if a team never made a mistake they would not need goalies. Allowing the other team to shoot is a mistake in itself.

We out played them and their goalie was better.

 

[Bleedred]

I get what you're saying, but you don't have a goalie to bail you out of all your mistakes. They are there to prevent goals, but its hard to do that if the opposing team gets tons of high quality chances night in and night out.

The chances for the Senators tonight weren't very high quality. Marty let in 3 bad goals. Routine saves for most goalies. If he lets one of them in, whatever. He lets two of them in, there's a huge problem. He lets three of them in, why the **** was he kept in the game after the first two?

The Devils had the better chances tonight. Anderson was fantastic, Brodeur was very bad.

 

[Mory Schneideur*]

Not to be a Marty apologist, but its entirely possible that these 4 games are the exception and he players better from here on out.

Same goes for Schneider. Just a crazy thought from the guy who has no idea about what he's talkking about.

The goalies haven't been bad, but they haven't been good enough to bail us out either.

 

[Jossipov]

the shots were 42-23..

if a team never made a mistake they would not need goalies. Allowing the other team to shoot is a mistake in itself.

We out played them and their goalie was better.

Or maybe our offense was worst.....

Does it not bother you more that despite 42 shots they managed two goals, one of which was on a minute and a half 5 on 3?

 

[guitarguyvic]

Yes, it does. It is what makes a huge difference in save percentage. What would be Quick's excuse for being in the bottom 10? That he's a terrible goalie? Is Bishop super elite and Lundqvist a bottom barrel?

What are you talking about? Last season there was no goalie the likes of Quick or Lundqvist among the worst in the league. So far this year might be a small sample size, but Marty has shown a pattern now of being at the bottom of the league. Even in 2012, the last point in time when he looked decent, he was #34 out of 45 goalies. Among those bottom 12 goalies he played the second most amount of games.

This is the problem. Management thinks exactly like you.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Not to be a Marty apologist, but its entirely possible that these 4 games are the exception and he players better from here on out.

Same goes for Schneider. Just a crazy thought from the guy who has no idea about what he's talkking about.

The goalies haven't been bad, but they haven't been good enough to bail us out either.

You're right, only one of them has been bad.

 

[Uli Hiemer]

Not to be a Marty apologist, but its entirely possible that these 4 games are the exception and he players better from here on out.

Same goes for Schneider. Just a crazy thought from the guy who has no idea about what he's talkking about.

The goalies haven't been bad, but they haven't been good enough to bail us out either.

Schneider has been good enough, they just didn't score in Winnipeg. If they got one goal. One goal.

 

[Mory Schneideur*]

The chances for the Senators tonight weren't very high quality. Marty let in 3 bad goals. Routine saves for most goalies. If he lets one of them in, whatever. He lets two of them in, there's a huge problem. He lets three of them in, why the **** was he kept in the game after the first two?

The Devils had the better chances tonight. Anderson was fantastic, Brodeur was very bad.

Brodeur did have a bad game, but I didn't see the team play well in front of him either until they grew a pair and tried to claw back. I just saw a Sens team that didn't have to try against us too hard, a team that *knew* they were going to win for the first half of the game.

Anderson did do a good job too and our guys seriously have no puck luck, some of those chances were easy goals and Anderson somehow stopped them.

 

[Bleedred]

Not to make excuses or anything, but...the guy did recently lose his dad.

Call me crazy, but sometimes, people aren't focused when they're still grieving.

I think Marty has been bad no question and tonight's game makes it look like he's done. But perhaps there's something other than age behind it? At least right now.

Just a thing to consider.

He usually looks like this in October. Only not nearly as bad. You'll usually got a softy per game, not multiple ones though. I'm thinking it's possible that he's thrown off by taking a much smaller workload than he had in the past. Remember Marty looked a bit off in the Florida series after not playing for almost a week. He looked off early in the 07 TBL seires after not playing for a week. Although neither time was anywhere near as bad as tonight.

I'm fairly certain Thomas is worst than that right now

Thomas plays on a far worse team than this. And I agree that our defense is not good, and gives up too many high quality chances. Can't say it was that bad tonight though.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Not to be a Marty apologist, but its entirely possible that these 4 games are the exception and he players better from here on out.

Same goes for Schneider. Just a crazy thought from the guy who has no idea about what he's talkking about.

The goalies haven't been bad, but they haven't been good enough to bail us out either.

Of course that could be the case. But based not only on the first four games, but in the numbers over the last 4 seasons, it's highly unlikely that Marty plays better than Schneider going forward.

 

[Uli Hiemer]

Brodeur did have a bad game, but I didn't see the team play well in front of him either until they grew a pair and tried to claw back. I just saw a Sens team that didn't have to try against us too hard, a team that *knew* they were going to win for the first half of the game.

Anderson did do a good job too and our guys seriously have no puck luck, some of those chances were easy goals and Anderson somehow stopped them.

The defense did not look terrible tonight. It wasn't like there were a 100 breakaways. The Sens just shot the puck and it went in tonight.

 

[Mory Schneideur*]

Or maybe our offense was worst.....

Does it not bother you more that despite 42 shots they managed two goals, one of which was on a minute and a half 5 on 3?

They should be scoring alot more on those types of chances honestly. Just bad luck why they aren't going in I guess. Some very solid chances this games.

 

[TrufleShufle]

Or maybe our offense was worst.....

Does it not bother you more that despite 42 shots they managed two goals, one of which was on a minute and a half 5 on 3?

No it does, but how many goalies stop that Jagr shot.

And I never said it doesn't bother me about having a horrible PP.

A lot of the shots we took tonight could have went in and would not have been considered soft.

I'm not saying Martys were soft but if he saved 2-3 of them we wouldn't even be taking about them as amazing saves. He made close to 20 other saves that were all routine and not looked at as saving us, and if he saved a couple of the ones that went in they would have fell into that category. That's the problem.

 

[Bleedred]

Or maybe our offense was worst.....

Does it not bother you more that despite 42 shots they managed two goals, one of which was on a minute and a half 5 on 3?

This tells me Deboer's system does not work on this team anymore. It was like this a lot last year too. I consider Anderson a very good goalie, but we sometimes suffer a similar fate against jabroni's like Al Montoya.