Post-Game Talk: Another craptacular display: Sens 5-2 win

[davebenj]

I'm trying not to get too down with this season but this is awful. I'd actually be more shocked if Deboer isn't fired because I'm so sure he won't last this month or perhaps even week (at least I would hope so)

 

[Bleedred]

I'm trying not to get too down with this season but this is awful. I'd actually be more shocked if Deboer isn't fired because I'm so sure he won't last this month or perhaps even week (at least I would hope so)

I think Lou knows Marty sunk the team tonight. So this might buy Dumbeor a little more time. If they stink against the Rangers though, Lou might not be so kind.

 

[Capt Nico Poo]

My face while watching the highlights from NHL.com w/o knowing the result.

 

[Sir Fenwick Corsi]

Tonight was the game his critics can hang on him and deservingly so. Most would realize the D in front of him has been horrid up to this point but after this game it's easier to just point the finger and use it as leverage to go where this was heading all along and demand Cory starts from now on and Marty can't handle it.

It's just easier than trying to compare the effort to the stats and have to deal with it later when it's truly all on him and hurts even more.

Opportunity is knocking on Cory's door.
I hope he answers for all of our sakes.

Telling it how it is. The critics can have their pound of flesh tonight. Even the biggest Marty supporters would honestly tell you that it's time for him to pass the torch. Nobody was kidding themselves with thinking he could carry this team. It's a weak and flawed club and it's just not possible for him any longer. What's bull **** though, is how he constantly gets blamed for all of the issues with this team. He's been the biggest scapegoat for years now, as if we had this great ****ing team in front of him the last decade.

Schneider is going to eventually (sooner than later imho) get the bulk of the games one way or another, but what difference will it make if the team doesn't improve and play better around him? Do you feel better seeing them lose the way they did against the Jets vs. how they lost tonight? Is that more acceptable for everyone? I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want this team to have to be carried through the entire season on the back of the goaltender. All that tells me is that they're a **** team going nowhere fast. But yes, the losses will be a little more respectable. Whatever floats your boats I guess.

Marty is a legend not just for this franchise, but for the entire sport. You are talking about one of the greatest players to ever lace up a pair of skates. And one single team has been lucky enough to call a player of this stature their own for 20 years now. Your team. He's old and not what he once was. We get that. But you just don't throw the guy to the ****ing curb like yesterday's trash. "Oh he's splitting games with the second coming, it's not fair!" Well how else do you go about respecting the guy and giving him the chance to step aside gracefully? I'm sure he knows the deal very well. He's going to lose this job as starter, whether it's Pete calling the shots or someone else. Thing is, he's owed the opportunity to fight for it whether we like it or not. He's earned that right for everything he's done throughout the years. But don't worry, Schneider's time is fast approaching.

 

[davebenj]

I think Lou knows Marty sunk the team tonight. So this might buy Dumbeor a little more time. If they stink against the Rangers though, Lou might not be so kind.

Tonight was definitely on Marty that is true enough.

 

[Chessarmy]

Just finished the game.

I love Marty Brodeur, I really do, he's my favorite player of all time.

That was the worst game i've ever seen him play, ever. He looked very slow, and his confidence level just looked absolutely terrible. He was hanging his head after shots, he looked sluggish, unsure of himself, and just plain beat. He looked defeated.

Time to run with Schneider. Its really that simple. Our goaltending lost the game, and as one of Marty's biggest supporters on here, even I can admit that.

 

[Benedict Parisechuk]

They really don't have a choice but to fire Deboer, at this point. Its beyond obvious that the system just can't function properly anymore, partly because the team is too slow, and partly because the D isn't good enough. When everything was clicking 2 years ago you had Parise and Zajac who were absolutely perfect for what Pete was preaching. Clarkson and Henrique to a lesser extent as well. Hell, they even got 17 to buy in. Now you have guys like Michael Ryder, Jagr, Brunner, and a neutered Zajac and a slumping Henrique. It just isn't going to work with that group. They need to change it up (bring in someone who fits the team) because its getting progressively worse and worse. A week ago they were in games and getting points, now there teetering on the verge of entering Macleanland. I honestly don't think this is going to turn around until Pete is canned because there confidence level is completely shot. Its just a perfect storm of everything and the players aren't going anywhere, well at least not until the deadline lol. Pete has to be the fall guy.

 

[Jossipov]

A week ago they were in games and getting points, now there teetering on the verge of entering Macleanland. I honestly don't think this is going to turn around until Pete is canned because there confidence level is completely shot. Its just a perfect storm of everything and the players aren't going anywhere. Pete has to be the fall guy.

Ya, this was the first game I'd really describe as Macleanian. You can see they are mentally checked out, and that's scary

 

[Rhodes 81]

The fact is, you can't consistently trade away/miss with first round picks, and lose your top players to free agency as much as the devils have recently and expect to compete. I was worried about the offense before the season, but I never expected the defense and coaching to let us down like it has, Marty slowing down like anyone with a brain knew he would is just an afterthought compared to the way this team is headed. I really do believe it can be fixed rather easily, but I'm really starting to wonder whether the current staff will be the ones to fix it

 

[Mory Schneideur*]

Just finished the game.

I love Marty Brodeur, I really do, he's my favorite player of all time.

That was the worst game i've ever seen him play, ever. He looked very slow, and his confidence level just looked absolutely terrible. He was hanging his head after shots, he looked sluggish, unsure of himself, and just plain beat. He looked defeated.

Time to run with Schneider. Its really that simple. Our goaltending lost the game, and as one of Marty's biggest supporters on here, even I can admit that.

Call me crazy but maybe its because the team was 0-6 and he was kind of in a funk because they haven't won in a while. There's only so much losing you could take before it gets to you.

 

[Sir Fenwick Corsi]

Just finished the game.

I love Marty Brodeur, I really do, he's my favorite player of all time.

That was the worst game i've ever seen him play, ever. He looked very slow, and his confidence level just looked absolutely terrible. He was hanging his head after shots, he looked sluggish, unsure of himself, and just plain beat. He looked defeated.

Time to run with Schneider. Its really that simple. Our goaltending lost the game, and as one of Marty's biggest supporters on here, even I can admit that.

He's had bad games like this before. Plenty of them. You don't play over 1200 games without some bumps along the way. The reason it seems worse right now is because the dude is 41 going on 50, the team has been a hot mess and doesn't have a win, and there is a stud puck stopper waiting in the wings.

You could clearly tell in the presser that Pete was let down by the goaltending tonight. But some people expect the guy to rip Marty a new ******* for it. Yup, a guy clearly on the hot seat, well that's a perfect way to handle this situation.

If Schneider's next few games are gems, he's going to take over until he at least cools down. If Pete doesn't go that route, he's going to lose his job. He's made some odd choices this year, but I'm guessing he knows what he has to do here. It's just a delicate situation and he has to go about it the right way.

 

[Bleedred]

Just finished the game.

I love Marty Brodeur, I really do, he's my favorite player of all time.

That was the worst game i've ever seen him play, ever. He looked very slow, and his confidence level just looked absolutely terrible. He was hanging his head after shots, he looked sluggish, unsure of himself, and just plain beat. He looked defeated.

Time to run with Schneider. Its really that simple. Our goaltending lost the game, and as one of Marty's biggest supporters on here, even I can admit that.

I feel the same way. I defended Marty a lot in the past on here, and honestly I believe he didn't deserve most of the **** that he was getting from people. Like the silly ''Hedberg is the best goalie on our team now'' comments that used to piss me off to no end.

This year though, Marty has been scaring the **** out of me though. That's honestly the way I feel, and this was definitely one of the worst games I can remember him playing. I don't honestly believe he'll be this bad for the rest of the year. With wins hard to come by though, I think it's time we give Cory a bigger share until we get ourselves on the right track. And that might not even help anyway, because our guys haven't been scoring for Cory.

I think a coaching change is in order. I'm tired of these 30-40+ shot games where we either get shutout or score 2 goals maximum. It says that the system isn't working, more than anything.

 

[Tundra]

This was Marty's worse game by far. He didn't necessarily play bad against the Islanders nor Oilers.

 

[Sir Fenwick Corsi]

The fact is, you can't consistently trade away/miss with first round picks, and lose your top players to free agency as much as the devils have recently and expect to compete. I was worried about the offense before the season, but I never expected the defense and coaching to let us down like it has, Marty slowing down like anyone with a brain knew he would is just an afterthought compared to the way this team is headed. I really do believe it can be fixed rather easily, but I'm really starting to wonder whether the current staff will be the ones to fix it

I think you hit the nail on the head with this post.

 

[Benedict Parisechuk]

Ya, this was the first game I'd really describe as Macleanian. You can see they are mentally checked out, and that's scary

They got skated out of the building in Winnipeg as well and the 3rd period in Vancouver, Edmonton, and Calgary were a mess but again they were still IN those 3 games. The terrifying part about this is the schedule is not getting easier for the rest of the month and into a portion of November since they have to go back out West again *gulp and actually face the good teams (Sharks, Kings, Ducks) instead of the bad ones. I really have no clue how there turning this around. I would like to think a win against NYR would help steer the ship away from the iceberg but even if they win that one I could see them continuing to sputter since Calllahan and Nash aren't even going to be there. This whole month was set up for them to fail and the crazy thing about it is this Canadian trip wasn't even supposed to be THIS difficult since the teams we played are average at best.

 

[Tundra]

The fact is, you can't consistently trade away/miss with first round picks, and lose your top players to free agency as much as the devils have recently and expect to compete. I was worried about the offense before the season, but I never expected the defense and coaching to let us down like it has, Marty slowing down like anyone with a brain knew he would is just an afterthought compared to the way this team is headed. I really do believe it can be fixed rather easily, but I'm really starting to wonder whether the current staff will be the ones to fix it

I took alot of heat for bringing this up during the offseason. There is no magical bandaid for this mismanagement. Hopefully, we can rebuild and be competitive in 2 years. I'm willing to follow the team and purchase tickets if the young players are given an opportunity as opposed to watching the mercs get pounded night after night.

 

[Bleedred]

He's had bad games like this before. Plenty of them. You don't play over 1200 games without some bumps along the way. The reason it seems worse right now is because the dude is 41 going on 50, the team has been a hot mess and doesn't have a win, and there is a stud puck stopper waiting in the wings.

You could clearly tell in the presser that Pete was let down by the goaltending tonight. But some people expect the guy to rip Marty a new ******* for it. Yup, a guy clearly on the hot seat, well that's a perfect way to handle this situation.

If Schneider's next few games are gems, he's going to take over until he at least cools down. If Pete doesn't go that route, he's going to lose his job. He's made some odd choices this year, but I'm guessing he knows what he has to do here. It's just a delicate situation and he has to go about it the right way.

I would hope Schneider gets the start Saturday, but I can see him going with Marty again since he loves to play the Rangers.

I think a big part of why Marty is struggling is he is having a hard time adjusting to this lighter workload. Marty's always played better when playing more. In 11-12 Marty was a little inconsistent when playing a light load in the first half, but looked as good as the Brodeur of 10 years ago when he was given a bigger workload in the second half.

Marty kinda looked like this after going 6 days without playing between the season finale and the Florida series in 2012. He also looked similar after not playing for about 8 days or more between the 06-07 season ending, and the TBL series starting.

 

[Capt Nico Poo]

Ya, this was the first game I'd really describe as Macleanian. You can see they are mentally checked out, and that's scary

Last week i still said this is not Macleanish, but its declinign towards it. Firing Deboer will be the only option if they get routed by the Rags.

 

[Tundra]

At some point, DeBoer has to break from his vet philosophy and promote from within. That's what I think he can salvage his job.

 

[Bleedred]

I'm almost hoping to get online tomorrow afternoon during work and seeing Deboer got canned. I think this game may have bought him some time though, with the shoddy goaltending being a big reason why we lost the game.

If the Rangers game turns out to be a putrid effort like Winnipeg, or 30-40 minute efforts like Vancouver/Calgary or the 3rd period against Edmonton, then things will probably be starting to get really tough for Pete.

 

[Sir Fenwick Corsi]

They got skated out of the building in Winnipeg as well and the 3rd period in Vancouver, Edmonton, and Calgary were a mess but again they were still IN those 3 games. The terrifying part about this is the schedule is not getting easier for the rest of the month and into a portion of November since they have to go back out West again *gulp and actually face the good teams (Sharks, Kings, Ducks) instead of the bad ones. I really have no clue how there turning this around. I would like to think a win against NYR would help steer the ship away from the iceberg but even if they win that one I could see them continuing to sputter since Calllahan and Nash aren't even going to be there. This whole month was set up for them to fail and the crazy thing about it is this Canadian trip wasn't even supposed to be THIS difficult since the teams we played are average at best.

The only chance they have right now is to go with Schneider and hope that he can steal them a couple of games ans steal them soon. If they can get a win or two under their belts over the next couple of games, I think the boost of confidence that will come with it may help them at least stay in the mix. But right now, there are just too many parts of their game not clicking to play a completely solid game.

I just don't know how they get this going for the long haul. Pete's system just doesn't seem to be meshing with these players.

 

[Bleedred]

The only chance they have right now is to go with Schneider and hope that he can steal them a couple of games ans steal them soon. If they can get a win or two under their belts over the next couple of games, I think the boost of confidence that will come with it may help them at least stay in the mix. But right now, there are just too many parts of their game not clicking to play a completely solid game.

I just don't know how they get this going for the long haul. Pete's system just doesn't seem to be meshing with these players.

Nope the system isn't really meshing anymore. Aside from Deboer's personnel choices, I think this system isn't the right one for the team anymore. That's not really his fault but if he doesn't have an answer to adjust to it, I think it will probably call for a coaching change.

I'm far beyond tired of these 30, 35, 40, 42, shot games, and having zero, one, or two goals to show for it.

I'm tired of winning the corsi/fenwick/possession battle. I wanna win some god damn games.

 

[Jossipov]

Last week i still said this is not Macleanish, but its declinign towards it. Firing Deboer will be the only option if they get routed by the Rags.

If they get routed by the Rags, then it is over.
They are the worst team we've faced thus far and now Callahan is injured and Nash is having issues. If we cant win that game......time to push the panic button

 

[Uli Hiemer]

If they get routed by the Rags, then it is over.
They are the worst team we've faced thus far and now Callahan is injured and Nash is having issues. If we cant win that game......time to push the panic button

I think Edmonton is way worse.

 

[Bleedred]

I think Edmonton is way worse.

I think so too. And what do you know, they haven't won a damn game this season except for when they beat us after that 3rd period chernobyl.