Post-Game Talk: Another craptacular display: Sens 5-2 win

[Mory Schneideur*]

so he was good

up until he was bad.

Yeah exactly, why does Schnieder get a pass on this for something like Vancouver but Marty doesn't?

"Schneider has been stellar in those 3 games he lost for us"
"Cory had that game until he let in those 2 goals in the 3rd"

Why is he getting a pass for the same thing?

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

we have zero wins. schneider should be starting the heavy majority but who gives a *******? we suck in EVERY WAY. literally we dont have a strength.

 

[Jossipov]

Yeah, our guys seemed very, very confident in that first period where we went down 0-2.

Watch the replay, we play like a JV team, Ottawa was toying with us until the boys decided to grow a pair and fight back on the PP.

No confidence on D. You could see it.

Yes, they get rag dolled. They make sloppy passes, and they make more turnovers that a bakery.

 

[AfroThunder396]

I thought Marty was good in Calgary, he really deserved a better fate that game.

He stunk against the Islanders, was meh against the Oilers, and was atrocious tonight.

Cory was meh against the Penguins, good against the Canucks, and out of this world against Winnipeg.

This is exactly how I assess things.

He was fantastic against Calgary, it was our PK that allowed 2 goals and Salvador that left Monahan alone in front with 2:30 to go in a tie game.

The Oilers game, yeah the defense was bad, but he's made saves on better shots than the ones he let in.

Islanders, he was very weak and made a lot of uncharacteristically bad puck handling decisions and ended up shooting himself in the foot.

It's a shame really because OTT/EDM/NYI were the three games where our skaters played well enough to win, and Marty sunk us in all three. We were in the drivers seat after the first 10 minutes until the end of the game tonight. If Marty holds fast in the first surge we likely hold on and get at least a point.

 

[R8Devs]

Gionta had a GREAT game that line did everything you want a 4th line to do created havoc and potted some offense. Did I hear Lokti's name all night...don't think so.

Ya you heard Lokti's name in the first 3 games. It's not like he is a top player he is being paid 725k. But if you have asked every GM in the league who they would take Gionta or Lokti than I would wager hard on Lokti being the runaway winner.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Yeah exactly, why does Schnieder get a pass on this for something like Vancouver but Marty doesn't?

"Schneider has been stellar in those 3 games he lost for us"
"Cory had that game until he let in those 2 goals in the 3rd"

Why is he getting a pass for the same thing?

we've scored 2 goals total in 3 games with Schneider in goal. he was outstanding against Winnipeg but the team was brick walled by open of the worst goalies in the league

 

[Bleedred]

Yeah exactly, why does Schnieder get a pass on this for something like Vancouver but Marty doesn't?

"Schneider has been stellar in those 3 games he lost for us"
"Cory had that game until he let in those 2 goals in the 3rd"

Why is he getting a pass for the same thing?

Schneider is getting a pass because he didn't let in soft goals.

Have you ever played goalie before? Marty let in 2, possibly 3 goals that he would have liked to have back tonight.

Schneider didn't let in any bad goals against Vancouver. The kind of goals Marty let in tonight are considered soft goals. There are some goals that you can't really stop, but tonight Marty let in at least 2, maybe 3 bad goals.

 

[Uli Hiemer]

The Devils looked rusty early on, and they needed a big save. When did Karlsson score 5 mins in? He needed the save there. It takes time for the team to settle down. And Brodeur did not help in that area at all.
5 mins into a game, that's what you can ask for your goalie, and he failed to do that tonight.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Marty has the second worst save % in the league among goalies who have played at least 4 games. The only goalie worse...Dubnyk.

 

[Mory Schneideur*]

You're absolutely correct. Marty let in softies 10 years ago. Hell, I remember one game where he let two in against the Flyers in the 95 ECF, but he pretty much stole that series other than that. He also was letting in a bad goal or two for much of the Avalanche SCF series in 01, as well as the first 4 games of the 00 ECF before we came back.

I really can't recall him giving up 3 soft goals in one game. It's probably happened before, but it's escapes my memory. This was one of the worst games I remember him playing in forever. And he's had struggles, especially in October. I remember a lot of softies for the first month of 07-08 and then he went on to win the Vezina that year and was the only reason we made the playoffs. He was also bad for the first half of 05-06 but that was after not playing for a year.

I think he's getting to the end of his rope now. It's sad.

I used to call him Mr. Softee about 5 years ago and my step-dad called him swiss cheese. Then as he got older, he got smarter, which is why we got that stud of a Brodeur in the 2012 playoffs even though he was 40 years old. He's still got it, he's not a spring chicken, but we can't expect the 42 year old to bail us out on every single shot.

I think he's still slightly above average and should be playing well even splitting with Cory. We just need to win a few games to get the confidence up or something.

 

[Jossipov]

Anyway, my point in this whole argument is not Marty vs Schneider.
It's that unless the D is fixed and unless the offense learns how to actually score, we're screwed regardless who is in net. You can't just ride goalies, and frankly right now there are bad goalies with better sv percentages than Schneider even right now (and yes, I blame the defense because they allow too many Quality shots)

 

[SKNJD9]

Yeah, our guys seemed very, very confident in that first period where we went down 0-2.

Watch the replay, we play like a JV team, Ottawa was toying with us until the boys decided to grow a pair and fight back on the PP.

No confidence on D. You could see it.

Dude...I'm sorry but you are completely lost.

This was a very winnable game that got doomed in the first 10 minutes due to two horrible soft goals.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

yes marty blew tonight but he is not the reason we are winless let alone every game he started.

this team looked like hot crap 90% of the games so far. They started out scoring and no D then adjusted to play some D albeit bad and then stopped scoring.

Now they get decent D after the first 10 min and some scoring and get bad goaltending.

There is no balance, there is no consistency.

BLAH

 

[AfroThunder396]

CBGB was the only line that could consistently gain the zone and establish pressure.

I didn't even notice Henrique, Loktionov, Zubrus, and Ryder. I only know Zajac played because of a 5-on-3 goal.

Salvador had a pretty weak game, Volch and Harrold were as per, and the other three were actually decent.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Anyway, my point in this whole argument is not Marty vs Schneider.
It's that unless the D is fixed and unless the offense learns how to actually score, we're screwed regardless who is in net. You can't just ride goalies, and frankly right now there are bad goalies with better sv percentages than Schneider (and yes, I blame the defense because they allow too many Quality shots)

It's certainly not the primary way you want to attain success, but a team can ride a goalie. In fact, several teams do this. Ottawa is one. Toronto is another. The Rangers are yet another. I could go on and on. There is absolutely no shame in getting Schneider in there for the majority of games and riding his coattails as much as possible. Granted the D has to be fixed for sure, and there needs to be more consistent offense. But look at tonight. The D was fine and crappy goaltending lost the game. There is a reason why goalie is the most important position in hockey.

 

[Uli Hiemer]

Henrique has looked horrible.

 

[Bleedred]

The Devils looked rusty early on, and they needed a big save. When did Karlsson score 5 mins in? He needed the save there. It takes time for the team to settle down. And Brodeur did not help in that area at all.
5 mins into a game, that's what you can ask for your goalie, and he failed to do that tonight.

I mean you could excuse the Karlsson goal if he stops Ryan's wraparound from the goal line. He may have been partially screened. He lets that second one in, and it's like GTFO of here.

Marty has the second worst save % in the league among goalies who have played at least 4 games. The only goalie worse...Dubnyk.

Big surprise. I was really thinking he was down there with the Edmonton goalies.

I used to call him Mr. Softee about 5 years ago and my step-dad called him swiss cheese. Then as he got older, he got smarter, which is why we got that stud of a Brodeur in the 2012 playoffs even though he was 40 years old. He's still got it, he's not a spring chicken, but we can't expect the 42 year old to bail us out on every single shot.

I think he's still slightly above average and should be playing well even splitting with Cory. We just need to win a few games to get the confidence up or something.

The Marty of 5 years ago was WAY better than the Marty of now. The Marty of 2 years ago was WAY better than the Marty of now.

I still considered Marty a top 10 goalie after the 2012 playoff run. Now I consider him average at best, and I think I'm being generous with that. Too many more performances like this, and I'll consider him unquestionably below average.

 

[Marshal Rochambeau]

Henrique has looked horrible.

He had a good game offensively but everything else was lacking.

 

[Mory Schneideur*]

Schneider is getting a pass because he didn't let in soft goals.

Have you ever played goalie before? Marty let in 2, possibly 3 goals that he would have liked to have back tonight.

Schneider didn't let in any bad goals against Vancouver. The kind of goals Marty let in tonight are considered soft goals. There are some goals that you can't really stop, but tonight Marty let in at least 2, maybe 3 bad goals.

You're talking to a goalie

I'm telling you from experience, I can play like a young Roy or Hasek when the team is full of good players and in sync... and I play like total crap when I have to bail out every shot or the team in front does weird things the entire game.

You don't exactly play with the confidence of Roy when every time the other team has possession you're thinking "oh man, here they come again, some one cover this guy, whats he doing, o crap, ok I got this, no damn why did he just let that, o crap, o crap o crap".

The team is just sloppy and playing scared in their own zone, thats not good for goalies. I'm not saying goalies get a pass, but I'm saying they are not the main problem, or even a problem at all, if anything goaltending should be our strength.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Marty is quite arguably the WORST statistical goalie in the NHL this year.

how you can say he hasnt been bad is mind boggling.

 

[Benedict Parisechuk]

You're saying he proved himself as an elite goalie over those 3 games? Because with the way the D and O are as is, you're going to require one

Hes been an elite goalie for the past 3 years and I haven't seen anything in the past 3 games that would change that.

 

[Uli Hiemer]

And I'll eat crow and say Gionta had a good game.

But I will not defend goaltending tonight. This was a decent team effort, and they got crap.

 

[guitarguyvic]

yes marty blew tonight but he is not the reason we are winless let alone every game he started.

this team looked like hot crap 90% of the games so far. They started out scoring and no D then adjusted to play some D albeit bad and then stopped scoring.

Now they get decent D after the first 10 min and some scoring and get bad goaltending.

There is no balance, there is no consistency.

BLAH

This is again on the coach. The correct lineup decisions and approach could solve the consistency in goaltending (playing Schneider most games), increase offense/mobility from the D (Fayne & Gelinas in for Volch/Harrold), and team speed (Tedenby, Josefson). Would we have a great team? Maybe not but I bet it would be better than what we have now. And a better coach would get more out of the players we have, like Larsson, Henrique, Zajac, etc. Guys that we know can play better than they have.

 

[Mory Schneideur*]

I mean you could excuse the Karlsson goal if he stops Ryan's wraparound from the goal line. He may have been partially screened. He lets that second one in, and it's like GTFO of here.

Big surprise. I was really thinking he was down there with the Edmonton goalies.

The Marty of 5 years ago was WAY better than the Marty of now. The Marty of 2 years ago was WAY better than the Marty of now.

I still considered Marty a top 10 goalie after the 2012 playoff run. Now I consider him average at best, and I think I'm being generous with that. Too many more performances like this, and I'll consider him unquestionably below average.

Idk, he seemed very solid last season at the start... our team was in 1st in the East... then he got injured... then we went on that horrible losing streak. We're only 7 games in, he's only played 4 so far, I won't throw him away yet and judge him on 4 games.

How many times have we seen teams go like 10-0 to start, be declared President's winners and then they end up missing the playoffs.

I'm not fan of what I've seen from the team as a whole so far, but if we get our act together over the next 15 games, and continue to play well we should be fine.

Its laughable that we are 1 point out of 4th place in the division. Crazy season for Metro division so far.

 

[Uli Hiemer]

Hes been an elite goalie for the past 3 years and I haven't seen anything in the past 3 games to change that.

I guess Luongo doesn't know what he's talking about when he calls Cory "a starting goalie"