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[BrannigansLaw]

So, losing in the 1st, 2nd, CF or SF is the same thing but yet, the Leafs losing in the 1st round this year Is different than past seasons?

They were shown generational respect in the handshake line. If they made it to the SCF but the opponent didn’t show us handshake line respect, the results would have been complete failure just as if we were eliminated in round one.

Seriously, why even bother watching if you’re that poster. Every year is basically guaranteed failure then.

Yes.

If you don't understand the nuance, then I won't waste time explaining it to you.

Oh we understand it, it’s just stupid as hell. But you’re entitled to feeling that way.

 

[pcruz]

Those mothers said they did not care about the regular season bc they can beat anybody in the playoffs. They are walking the walk. Our core said don't worry we'll be yhere when it counts then crickets in game 7.

Are you for real?

You don't think the Leafs core showed up this series, or even more specifically in Game 7?

Matthews - 4g, 5a, 9 pt. 7 even strength points, 32 hits, 6 blocked shots, 9 takeaways, 1 crossbar.
Marner - 2g, 6a, 8 pt. 5 even strength points, 10 hits, 8 blocked shots, 7 takeaways, 1 post (game 7).
Nylander - 3g, 4a, 7pt. 5 even strength points, 4 hits, 3 blocked shots, 2 takeaways.
Rielly - 3g, 3a, 6pt. 4 even strength points, 16 hits, 10 blocked shots, 3 takeaways.
Tavares - 3g, 3a, 6pt. 4 even strength points, 15 hits, 8 blocked shots, 1 takeaway.


The much-praised core of the Tampa Bay Lightning:

Kucherov - 2g, 6a, 8pt. 3 even strength points, 8 hits, 1 blocked shot, 7 takeaways.
Stamkos - 2g, 2a, 4pt. 2 even strength points. 22 hits, 3 blocked shots, 1 takeaway, 2 posts.
Point - 2g, 2a, 4pt. 1 even strength point. 17 hits, 5 blocked shots, 2 takeaways.
Hedman - 2a, 5a, 7pt. 3 even strength points. 12 hits, 15 blocked shots, 2 takeaways.

This is not a series where the Leafs core didn't show up.
This is not a series where the Leafs core was outproduced.
This is not a series where the Leafs core was outplayed in any way.

Matthews led the series in goals, shots, hits, takeaways, shot attempts, etc. He was dominant.
Marner was just a good as Matthews, especially considering he played a key role in killing penalties - a thing we did a lot this series.

The Lightning core was severely outplayed and outproduced at even strength. They were only a threat on the power play, and especially so with 2 extra players on the ice. A thing they enjoyed a total of 4 times in 7 games and twice for nearly the full 2 minutes.

The Lightning core should be thanking their lucky stars that the rest of the players carried them through that first round because they sure as shit didn't.
Our core absolutely dominated our team statistically, but the same can't be said for Tampa.
Colton and Palat tied for 3rd in team points the first round with 5. Each player with 4 even strength points, putting them ahead of the star players.
Paul, Hagel, and Killorn each with 4 points. Paul and Killorn both also with 4 even strength points, again putting them ahead of Kucherov, Stamkos, Point and Hedman.


Tell me again how the Lightning core were so confident of flipping that switch come playoff time, because they seemed to have forgotten to play in every aspect of the game, and instead focus all of their energy on the power play.

Thankfully for Tampa, they received an inordinate amount of power plays.

 

[Sammy Kat]

Are you for real?

You don't think the Leafs core showed up this series, or even more specifically in Game 7?

Matthews - 4g, 5a, 9 pt. 7 even strength points, 32 hits, 6 blocked shots, 9 takeaways, 1 crossbar.
Marner - 2g, 6a, 8 pt. 5 even strength points, 10 hits, 8 blocked shots, 7 takeaways, 1 post (game 7).
Nylander - 3g, 4a, 7pt. 5 even strength points, 4 hits, 3 blocked shots, 2 takeaways.
Rielly - 3g, 3a, 6pt. 4 even strength points, 16 hits, 10 blocked shots, 3 takeaways.
Tavares - 3g, 3a, 6pt. 4 even strength points, 15 hits, 8 blocked shots, 1 takeaway.


The much-praised core of the Tampa Bay Lightning:

Kucherov - 2g, 6a, 8pt. 3 even strength points, 8 hits, 1 blocked shot, 7 takeaways.
Stamkos - 2g, 2a, 4pt. 2 even strength points. 22 hits, 3 blocked shots, 1 takeaway, 2 posts.
Point - 2g, 2a, 4pt. 1 even strength point. 17 hits, 5 blocked shots, 2 takeaways.
Hedman - 2a, 5a, 7pt. 3 even strength points. 12 hits, 15 blocked shots, 2 takeaways.

This is not a series where the Leafs core didn't show up.
This is not a series where the Leafs core was outproduced.
This is not a series where the Leafs core was outplayed in any way.

Matthews led the series in goals, shots, hits, takeaways, shot attempts, etc. He was dominant.
Marner was just a good as Matthews, especially considering he played a key role in killing penalties - a thing we did a lot this series.

The Lightning core was severely outplayed and outproduced at even strength. They were only a threat on the power play, and especially so with 2 extra players on the ice. A thing they enjoyed a total of 4 times in 7 games and twice for nearly the full 2 minutes.

The Lightning core should be thanking their lucky stars that the rest of the players carried them through that first round because they sure as shit didn't.
Our core absolutely dominated our team statistically, but the same can't be said for Tampa.
Colton and Palat tied for 3rd in team points the first round with 5. Each player with 4 even strength points, putting them ahead of the star players.
Paul, Hagel, and Killorn each with 4 points. Paul and Killorn both also with 4 even strength points, again putting them ahead of Kucherov, Stamkos, Point and Hedman.


Tell me again how the Lightning core were so confident of flipping that switch come playoff time, because they seemed to have forgotten to play in every aspect of the game, and instead focus all of their energy on the power play.

Thankfully for Tampa, they received an inordinate amount of power plays.

A sign of desperation for losing is always to blame the refs.
I agree our top guys were better,the ones Dubas inherited plus the big FA begging to play here.

The failure came with the bottom 6,back end and in goal,all Dubas additions since he took over.

Tampa bottom 6 and back end carried them when needed so that GM knew what to do and how to do it and got results.

Our GM just keeps repeating his mistakes and expects different results.

 

[pcruz]

A sign of desperation for losing is always to blame the refs.
I agree our top guys were better,the ones Dubas inherited plus the big FA begging to play here.

The failure came with the bottom 6,back end and in goal,all Dubas additions since he took over.

Tampa bottom 6 and back end carried them when needed so that GM knew what to do and how to do it and got results.

Our GM just keeps repeating his mistakes and expects different results.

If you'll notice, I didn't blame the refs.
They objectively did hand out many more power plays in that series than one would expect if you compare the teams to their respective regular seasons.
They objectively did hand out many more power play opportunities to Tampa Bay, including 4 instances of 5on3.
They objectively did call a high-stick penalty twice in the span of 30 seconds where either one could be argued against, and one of which was a complete fabrication of a call. This did objectively lead directly to the tying goal in Game 6 where the Leafs were poised to eliminate Tampa Bay.

Those are just facts.

They're not excuses, or finger-pointing.

If the officiating is less trigger-happy with ticky-tack calls, is the series different? I don't know for sure, but it sure seems like Toronto's best players were far superior to Tampa's best players at even strength - again the numbers objectively point to that being true.

At this point, it doesn't matter, and blaming anyone for the loss except the collection of Leafs players is pointless.

It isn't pointless however, to illustrate that this year, the core players not only showed up for the whole series, they were head and shoulders ahead of the pack and led the charge at all times.
Blaming the core of this team for the loss to Tampa is just stupid and reeks of ulterior motives.

 

[mikeyz]

Yes.

If you don't understand the nuance, then I won't waste time explaining it to you.

Lol. Wow. The pro Dubas crowd is really scrapping the bottom of the barrel for excuses at this point.

There's nothing on your end to explain by the way, because your entire argument is strawman at best.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Are you for real?

You don't think the Leafs core showed up this series, or even more specifically in Game 7?

Matthews - 4g, 5a, 9 pt. 7 even strength points, 32 hits, 6 blocked shots, 9 takeaways, 1 crossbar.
Marner - 2g, 6a, 8 pt. 5 even strength points, 10 hits, 8 blocked shots, 7 takeaways, 1 post (game 7).
Nylander - 3g, 4a, 7pt. 5 even strength points, 4 hits, 3 blocked shots, 2 takeaways.
Rielly - 3g, 3a, 6pt. 4 even strength points, 16 hits, 10 blocked shots, 3 takeaways.
Tavares - 3g, 3a, 6pt. 4 even strength points, 15 hits, 8 blocked shots, 1 takeaway.


The much-praised core of the Tampa Bay Lightning:

Kucherov - 2g, 6a, 8pt. 3 even strength points, 8 hits, 1 blocked shot, 7 takeaways.
Stamkos - 2g, 2a, 4pt. 2 even strength points. 22 hits, 3 blocked shots, 1 takeaway, 2 posts.
Point - 2g, 2a, 4pt. 1 even strength point. 17 hits, 5 blocked shots, 2 takeaways.
Hedman - 2a, 5a, 7pt. 3 even strength points. 12 hits, 15 blocked shots, 2 takeaways.

This is not a series where the Leafs core didn't show up.
This is not a series where the Leafs core was outproduced.
This is not a series where the Leafs core was outplayed in any way.

Matthews led the series in goals, shots, hits, takeaways, shot attempts, etc. He was dominant.
Marner was just a good as Matthews, especially considering he played a key role in killing penalties - a thing we did a lot this series.

The Lightning core was severely outplayed and outproduced at even strength. They were only a threat on the power play, and especially so with 2 extra players on the ice. A thing they enjoyed a total of 4 times in 7 games and twice for nearly the full 2 minutes.

The Lightning core should be thanking their lucky stars that the rest of the players carried them through that first round because they sure as shit didn't.
Our core absolutely dominated our team statistically, but the same can't be said for Tampa.
Colton and Palat tied for 3rd in team points the first round with 5. Each player with 4 even strength points, putting them ahead of the star players.
Paul, Hagel, and Killorn each with 4 points. Paul and Killorn both also with 4 even strength points, again putting them ahead of Kucherov, Stamkos, Point and Hedman.


Tell me again how the Lightning core were so confident of flipping that switch come playoff time, because they seemed to have forgotten to play in every aspect of the game, and instead focus all of their energy on the power play.

Thankfully for Tampa, they received an inordinate amount of power plays.

Except for Clifford's stupidity in game one, the "inordinate amount of power plays" was 2 minors (36 to 34).

 

[killer1980]

No doubt one of the most, if not the most, exciting regular season team. As I have said for the last 5 years, this is not a playoff team. I can enjoy the skill and talent during the season and then plan my vacation for the middle of April. It's all what you want. Very rare for the top team in the regular season to win the Cup. Just check out the Panthers.

 

[EGL22]

No doubt one of the most, if not the most, exciting regular season team. As I have said for the last 5 years, this is not a playoff team. I can enjoy the skill and talent during the season and then plan my vacation for the middle of April. It's all what you want. Very rare for the top team in the regular season to win the Cup. Just check out the Panthers.

I fully agree and at the start of the season even said we will love the regular season and win a ton of games but this team is still the same as the previous 3 and not built for playoffs so we are out early.

Florida was exactly the same,built for regular season pond hockey and not playoff hockey.

Dubas vision of his team was wrong when he took over and is still wrong and yet he continues to follow the same failed plan so next year how can we expect anything different.

 

[MSZ]

Tampa, Florida and Boston aren't going to go away next season. So it will be another first round exit next year anyway.

 

[pcruz]

Tampa, Florida and Boston aren't going to go away next season. So it will be another first round exit next year anyway.

Boston is finished.

They honestly should look into trading away Pastrnak and DeBrusk.
Marchand might also be a player to look into offloading.

Losing Bergeron essentially closes their window.

 

[TheRumble]

I fully agree and at the start of the season even said we will love the regular season and win a ton of games but this team is still the same as the previous 3 and not built for playoffs so we are out early.

Florida was exactly the same,built for regular season pond hockey and not playoff hockey.

The Leafs and Panthers are near opposites in styles philosophically, I have no idea what multiverse you are from where you can come to the conclusion they are similar teams.

The Leafs are largely a dump and chase hockey team but they are also very dangerous in transition so they have a good plan B.

Florida prefers clean zone entries to dump and chase hockey. They'd actually be a really good dump and chase team if they utilized it more but they went with what brought them to the dance. Also a team that is very good in transition with defencemen that join the rush very aggressively.

The Leafs are a very low event hockey team when they don't have the puck in their defensive zone. They're opportunistic with and look for turnovers leading to transition offense, otherwise they collapse to the house to defend high danger shots and then focus on winning puck battles on rebounds and loose pucks. They're actually more similar to Tampa in this respect than Florida.

Florida is a bit more chaotic in their own end and are very suspectible to transition offenses because of how aggressive they are.

They're both high scoring teams so people get the impression that they're similar stylistically but they're actually very different.

This is not to say transition heavy teams can't excel in the playoffs either - Montreal made the finals last year while having almost zero 5v5 sustained offense. Pittsburgh won the Cup in 2017 playing like this.

As much as people don't like to hear it, there's no one way to build a team for a deep run in hockey.

 

[killer1980]

I fully agree and at the start of the season even said we will love the regular season and win a ton of games but this team is still the same as the previous 3 and not built for playoffs so we are out early.

Florida was exactly the same,built for regular season pond hockey and not playoff hockey.

Dubas vision of his team was wrong when he took over and is still wrong and yet he continues to follow the same failed plan so next year how can we expect anything different.

And when you see what Kadri has been doing in Colorado, he is an important piece of the puzzle. But then again we have Kerfoot. You can jump up and down all you want but that trade typifies the problem with this team, Kadri, Hyman, Brown, Moore, and even Colton are the 2nd tier players that you need to compete for the Cup. As much as I like Gio and I really do, he isn't going to carry you to the promised land. Pretty tired of hearing what a great GM Dubas is.

 

[pcruz]

And when you see what Kadri has been doing in Colorado, he is an important piece of the puzzle. But then again we have Kerfoot. You can jump up and down all you want but that trade typifies the problem with this team, Kadri, Hyman, Brown, Moore, and even Colton are the 2nd tier players that you need to compete for the Cup. As much as I like Gio and I really do, he isn't going to carry you to the promised land. Pretty tired of hearing what a great GM Dubas is.

Kadri is a 2nd line player, and at the time he was dealt, he was playing 3rd line minutes with the first power play unit. He was not playing ahead of Matthews no matter what, and Tavares had 47 goals that season.
Have people forgotten what the team was like the year Naz was traded away or something?


I would love to somehow pick up Naz again and slot him nicely on that 2nd line with Nylander and Bunting, move Tavares to the top line wing.

We don't have the cap space for that, unfortunately.

I understood the deal - Barrie was supposedly a great RHD with lots of offensive upside, but he was just terrible in Toronto. Kerfoot was supposed to be a sweetener on that deal, and while he hasn't been bad per se, he lacks the brains to be an impact player.
Fans conveniently forget the vitriol spewed at Kadri after that 2nd suspension, people were foaming at the mouth wanting him gone.

Hyman is a great player and we need more players like him, but the contract he was given by Edmonton will be an albatross within 2 years - something we honestly couldn't afford. Bunting has basically provided exactly the same as Hyman did, but at 1/8th the cost.

Connor Brown and Dominic Moore were role players on a much weaker team in Toronto. They would continue playing 4th line minutes on a contending team, and we can't pay 4th liners $2m a year. That's just not feasible.

 

[Gary Nylund]

No doubt one of the most, if not the most, exciting regular season team. As I have said for the last 5 years, this is not a playoff team. I can enjoy the skill and talent during the season and then plan my vacation for the middle of April. It's all what you want. Very rare for the top team in the regular season to win the Cup. Just check out the Panthers.

Yup. That's why they hardly ever manage to even win a single game in the playoffs no matter who they play and against a powerhouse team like TB, they get swept without a fight.

Oh wait ...

Are you for real?

You don't think the Leafs core showed up this series, or even more specifically in Game 7?

Matthews - 4g, 5a, 9 pt. 7 even strength points, 32 hits, 6 blocked shots, 9 takeaways, 1 crossbar.
Marner - 2g, 6a, 8 pt. 5 even strength points, 10 hits, 8 blocked shots, 7 takeaways, 1 post (game 7).
Nylander - 3g, 4a, 7pt. 5 even strength points, 4 hits, 3 blocked shots, 2 takeaways.
Rielly - 3g, 3a, 6pt. 4 even strength points, 16 hits, 10 blocked shots, 3 takeaways.
Tavares - 3g, 3a, 6pt. 4 even strength points, 15 hits, 8 blocked shots, 1 takeaway.


The much-praised core of the Tampa Bay Lightning:

Kucherov - 2g, 6a, 8pt. 3 even strength points, 8 hits, 1 blocked shot, 7 takeaways.
Stamkos - 2g, 2a, 4pt. 2 even strength points. 22 hits, 3 blocked shots, 1 takeaway, 2 posts.
Point - 2g, 2a, 4pt. 1 even strength point. 17 hits, 5 blocked shots, 2 takeaways.
Hedman - 2a, 5a, 7pt. 3 even strength points. 12 hits, 15 blocked shots, 2 takeaways.

This is not a series where the Leafs core didn't show up.
This is not a series where the Leafs core was outproduced.
This is not a series where the Leafs core was outplayed in any way.

Matthews led the series in goals, shots, hits, takeaways, shot attempts, etc. He was dominant.
Marner was just a good as Matthews, especially considering he played a key role in killing penalties - a thing we did a lot this series.

The Lightning core was severely outplayed and outproduced at even strength. They were only a threat on the power play, and especially so with 2 extra players on the ice. A thing they enjoyed a total of 4 times in 7 games and twice for nearly the full 2 minutes.

The Lightning core should be thanking their lucky stars that the rest of the players carried them through that first round because they sure as shit didn't.
Our core absolutely dominated our team statistically, but the same can't be said for Tampa.
Colton and Palat tied for 3rd in team points the first round with 5. Each player with 4 even strength points, putting them ahead of the star players.
Paul, Hagel, and Killorn each with 4 points. Paul and Killorn both also with 4 even strength points, again putting them ahead of Kucherov, Stamkos, Point and Hedman.


Tell me again how the Lightning core were so confident of flipping that switch come playoff time, because they seemed to have forgotten to play in every aspect of the game, and instead focus all of their energy on the power play.

Thankfully for Tampa, they received an inordinate amount of power plays.

Good summary. It's hard to believe some people are bitching about how our core guys played against TB, I don't even know what to say to them anymore. Actually I guess I do now, I can just show them this post.

 

[ShaneFalco]

They put up a fight this time so they get a pass........

 

[killer1980]

Yup. That's why they hardly ever manage to even win a single game in the playoffs no matter who they play and against a powerhouse team like TB, they get swept without a fight.

Oh wait ...


Good summary. It's hard to believe some people are bitching about how our core guys played against TB, I don't even know what to say to them anymore. Actually I guess I do now, I can just show them this post.

Matthews & Marner were a combined -6 in the last 5 games against TB. I'm am not prepared to say that they are stellar playoff performers.

Kadri is a 2nd line player, and at the time he was dealt, he was playing 3rd line minutes with the first power play unit. He was not playing ahead of Matthews no matter what, and Tavares had 47 goals that season.
Have people forgotten what the team was like the year Naz was traded away or something?


I would love to somehow pick up Naz again and slot him nicely on that 2nd line with Nylander and Bunting, move Tavares to the top line wing.

We don't have the cap space for that, unfortunately.

I understood the deal - Barrie was supposedly a great RHD with lots of offensive upside, but he was just terrible in Toronto. Kerfoot was supposed to be a sweetener on that deal, and while he hasn't been bad per se, he lacks the brains to be an impact player.
Fans conveniently forget the vitriol spewed at Kadri after that 2nd suspension, people were foaming at the mouth wanting him gone.

Hyman is a great player and we need more players like him, but the contract he was given by Edmonton will be an albatross within 2 years - something we honestly couldn't afford. Bunting has basically provided exactly the same as Hyman did, but at 1/8th the cost.

Connor Brown and Dominic Moore were role players on a much weaker team in Toronto. They would continue playing 4th line minutes on a contending team, and we can't pay 4th liners $2m a year. That's just not feasible.

Perhaps if Dubas hadn't extremely overpaid the top 4, he would have had more money available for a better supporting cast.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

All it takes is one phone call from Matthews to say stop surrounding me with holls miks kerfoots campbells and engvalls and dubas is done.

Watching Kadri in Colorado already pissed them off, I guarantee it.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Are you for real?

You don't think the Leafs core showed up this series, or even more specifically in Game 7?

Matthews - 4g, 5a, 9 pt. 7 even strength points, 32 hits, 6 blocked shots, 9 takeaways, 1 crossbar.
Marner - 2g, 6a, 8 pt. 5 even strength points, 10 hits, 8 blocked shots, 7 takeaways, 1 post (game 7).
Nylander - 3g, 4a, 7pt. 5 even strength points, 4 hits, 3 blocked shots, 2 takeaways.
Rielly - 3g, 3a, 6pt. 4 even strength points, 16 hits, 10 blocked shots, 3 takeaways.
Tavares - 3g, 3a, 6pt. 4 even strength points, 15 hits, 8 blocked shots, 1 takeaway.


The much-praised core of the Tampa Bay Lightning:

Kucherov - 2g, 6a, 8pt. 3 even strength points, 8 hits, 1 blocked shot, 7 takeaways.
Stamkos - 2g, 2a, 4pt. 2 even strength points. 22 hits, 3 blocked shots, 1 takeaway, 2 posts.
Point - 2g, 2a, 4pt. 1 even strength point. 17 hits, 5 blocked shots, 2 takeaways.
Hedman - 2a, 5a, 7pt. 3 even strength points. 12 hits, 15 blocked shots, 2 takeaways.

This is not a series where the Leafs core didn't show up.
This is not a series where the Leafs core was outproduced.
This is not a series where the Leafs core was outplayed in any way.

Matthews led the series in goals, shots, hits, takeaways, shot attempts, etc. He was dominant.
Marner was just a good as Matthews, especially considering he played a key role in killing penalties - a thing we did a lot this series.

The Lightning core was severely outplayed and outproduced at even strength. They were only a threat on the power play, and especially so with 2 extra players on the ice. A thing they enjoyed a total of 4 times in 7 games and twice for nearly the full 2 minutes.

The Lightning core should be thanking their lucky stars that the rest of the players carried them through that first round because they sure as shit didn't.
Our core absolutely dominated our team statistically, but the same can't be said for Tampa.
Colton and Palat tied for 3rd in team points the first round with 5. Each player with 4 even strength points, putting them ahead of the star players.
Paul, Hagel, and Killorn each with 4 points. Paul and Killorn both also with 4 even strength points, again putting them ahead of Kucherov, Stamkos, Point and Hedman.


Tell me again how the Lightning core were so confident of flipping that switch come playoff time, because they seemed to have forgotten to play in every aspect of the game, and instead focus all of their energy on the power play.

Thankfully for Tampa, they received an inordinate amount of power plays.

The stats of Matthews and Marner on game 7's (including game 5 against Jackets) are appalling. Disgraceful even.

 

[pcruz]

Matthews & Marner were a combined -6 in the last 5 games against TB. I'm am not prepared to say that they are stellar playoff performers.


Perhaps if Dubas hadn't extremely overpaid the top 4, he would have had more money available for a better supporting cast.

 

[pcruz]

Matthews was by a large margin, the best even strength player out of all the star players in the first round.
If you'll notice, he was better in 7 games than Kucherov, Stamkos were in 11.

Marner was the 2nd best player in that series, and still comparable to Kucherov and Stamkos despite playing 4 less games.

4 games against a far weaker opponent that the Lighning smashed in a sweep.

Nylander and Tavares were roughly on par with Kucherov and Stamkos during those same 7 games.

Point was the big loser here, as he played significantly better than his actual goal/assist output. But that's not nearly unexpected, as I think he is the best skater that Tampa Bay has - and he didn't even play a second in that 2nd round sweep.

Can anyone please tell me again how all 4 Leafs players were at least equal to the "2nd best player" in the NHL Kucherov, and simultaneously didn't show up for the playoffs.

 

[killer1980]

Matthews was by a large margin, the best even strength player out of all the star players in the first round.
If you'll notice, he was better in 7 games than Kucherov, Stamkos were in 11.

Marner was the 2nd best player in that series, and still comparable to Kucherov and Stamkos despite playing 4 less games.

4 games against a far weaker opponent that the Lighning smashed in a sweep.

Nylander and Tavares were roughly on par with Kucherov and Stamkos during those same 7 games.

Point was the big loser here, as he played significantly better than his actual goal/assist output. But that's not nearly unexpected, as I think he is the best skater that Tampa Bay has - and he didn't even play a second in that 2nd round sweep.

Can anyone please tell me again how all 4 Leafs players were at least equal to the "2nd best player" in the NHL Kucherov, and simultaneously didn't show up for the playoffs.

Makes the Leafs seem even worse that they lost.

 

[saffronleaf]

Would this man ever lie?

wow even back then he knew Dubas and Keefe were around the corner

 

[saffronleaf]

Nostracock

 

[FlareKnight]

I love how barely any posts in this topic are about the actual topic. Just continuing the spread of people picking fights across the entire board.

As for the actual question that this topic is asking? Win a damn playoff round! There you go. That's literally it. Show that this team can win 4 games in a playoff series.

Until then I'm content to take it easy. Was really hands off this past season and didn't show up on the boards much. I can definitely do it again without much issue. Here's hoping there's a miracle next year and that they can figure it out.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I love how barely any posts in this topic are about the actual topic. Just continuing the spread of people picking fights across the entire board.

As for the actual question that this topic is asking? Win a damn playoff round! There you go. That's literally it. Show that this team can win 4 games in a playoff series.

Until then I'm content to take it easy. Was really hands off this past season and didn't show up on the boards much. I can definitely do it again without much issue. Here's hoping there's a miracle next year and that they can figure it out.

I noticed more than a few posters and people I know just aren't tuning in nearly as much. Sad