Andrew Brunette DUI video released

[NorthStar4Canes]

Was my point not obvious?

If there is no victim, there ought be no crime

Why don't you free your mind?

If you're going to spout nonsense about what you believe defines "Freedom" then stop the half-measures of referring to someone as a "Victim". Status of "Victim" is a construct that societies define, and in a truly free environment there are no boundaries of action or behaviour set forth by a society, which is exactly what you're griping about..where to set the boundary of freedom...not freedom itself.

To be literally, completely free means the only law is that of the jungle. In other words, true "Freedom" means there aren't any "victims", only the living and the dead and it doesn't matter how those that are dead met their end.

Might makes right, there are no responsibilities or ramifications apart from kill or be killed, and the entire philosophy of Inherent Rights is not recognized. Human are essentially valueless except as a biological curiosity.

If you choose to live in a civilization, society will define boundaries for you since that goes with the territory whether they're enumerated or not. But once you do that, as you apparently have, you are not truly, literally "Free". And if you choose to leave to go live a completely "Free" existence then you accept that fact that you can't be a victim no matter what happens to you, or why, or by who.

Where did you get the idea that any society can be literally, completely free where you get to define what laws be applied, and how? The fact that you believe there are boundaries at all means you're half-assing the concept of "True" or "Real Freedom".

There's little difference between your phony definition of what "Real Freedom" is and that which you're criticizing.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Usually I'm extremely turned on by sloppy drunk brunettes but in this case....nothing.

Not bad

 

[BB79]

Wow, that cop sounds just like Professor Frink from The Simpsons..

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Alright I'm gonna say this. Who the f*** gets a DUI on a golf cart? Lmaoo

 

[TEH FIRST NOEL]

Everyone being mad at the cop makes no sense to me, he caught a drunk driver who could have killed someone. As far as I'm concerned the cops a hero.

 

[JeffroTullison]

walk or uber. f***ing rich people.

 

[NorthStar4Canes]

So, Brunette was traveling down the road, minding his own business, not hurting anyone, when he was stopped by an armed agent of the State, assaulted, kidnapped, and locked in a cage

That is not how freedom works


No victim, no crime

With respect to no victims directly attached to the specific act, the laws against drunk driving are no different than hiring a hitman, conspiring to blow up building or airplane, shoot up a school, or planning to travel outside the country to sexually exploit children (where it might not even be an illegal act in that country).

Yes, there's lots of activities one can engage in that society deems criminal if it proceeds beyond a certain threshold, and enforces as a preventative measure to deter and/or punish that behaviour before it creates victims. The actual act of destroying someone else's life never occurs. They'll take you away and lock you in a cage and very few tears will be shed for you.

"No harm, no foul" is a children's playground ethos right up there with "Finders keepers, losers weepers" and has few applications in the adult world of crime and punishment when talking about dangerous, reckless, or murderous behaviour.

Do you believe in the concept of punishing reckless, stone cold-sober drivers if nobody happened to get hurt? Blowing by a school bus dropping off kids if none got flattened? 80 mph down a residential street and nobody pulled out from a driveway?

According to your "Freedom Barometer", these things are perfectly okay, not reckless, right up until the point human pieces are being hauled away in a meatwagon and the organ donors make their deposits. Only then is it the behaviour considered criminally reckless because, apparently, proof lies only in the human remains-pudding and nowhere else.

When it comes to gross numbers and rate, in US society far more people died from drunk driving in 1980 (appx 25,000, 50% of total) than do now (appx 10,000, 25% of total) despite mileage driven and number of vehicles on the road being far higher.

25,000 fatalities a year is also far more than those lost to hitmen, blown up buildings or airplanes, school shootings, etc. combined. In your view of "real freedom", they all have to die plus the greater numbers injured and maimed in order to "prove" a crime was committed.

The proportional percentage of alcohol-related vehicular deaths has decreased dramatically in direct relation to stricter laws and enforcement and tolerance. Nobody is going back to looking the other way.

If you had your "no victim, no crime" way, there would have been no change in rate, and probably an an increase since that's the way things were trending until focused effort on preventative measures reversed it. To deny that it is a success story that has saved lives, not just a few but a substantial number every year over the course of 4 decades, is to live in a dreamworld.

There's no Right to drive drunk on public roads. There is a right, however, to try and change the laws or, failing that, leave a society that deems it illegal if you can't handle it. Good luck

 

[Shocker]

Cop seemed like a smartass with a real unfortunate voice, but Brunette is the real f***ing idiot in this video.

Lots of opposite ends of idiots in this thread though, the "WE SHOULD DO WHAT WE WANT" and the "EXECUTE HIM RIGHT NOW" crowds, funny stuff.

 

[KapG]

People defending the drunk. Can’t believe this shit lmao

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Stop signs, not red lights and he didn't "blow through" them he slowed down but failed to come to a complete stop.

Rolling stop. It's how my alcoholic grandfather finally got popped for his first DUI

 

[ninetyeight]

If this was some nobody, none of you people would care a single bit. But since it's a (not your team's) nhl coach, everyone is all of sudden up in arms offended and furious. DUI is never cool, even if it's just a golf cart, but there are way bigger things going wrong in the world that none of you care at all, so stop the charade already.

 

[AfroThunder396]

-Drunk drivers don't deserve any sympathy or excuses
-This particular case, while still not okay, is in the grand scheme of things not a huge deal considering the circumstances (vehicle, location, etc)
-The cop is clearly an antagonistic asshole on a power trip who went looking for a problem
-Brunette is responding exactly the way you would expect a hammered rich Florida guy to respond

This is really not that big of a deal. It was stupid and he shouldn't have done it.

His boss saw the video, the guys on his staff saw the video, the players he coaches saw the video, future employers saw the video, his family saw the video. This will hang over his head for the rest of his life.

Public embarrassment and a large fine that he's more than capable of paying is more than enough punishment.

Let's move on.

 

[Frank Drebin]

A ton of the "govern me harder, daddy" types in this thread. Yikes.

A functioning society needs laws. Laws have no value if they are not enforced. Some may feel petty and useless but they are all there for a reason.

Everyone thinks they can govern themselves - half or more of them are stupider than the average human.

 

[DaaaaB's]

If this was some nobody, none of you people would care a single bit. But since it's a (not your team's) nhl coach, everyone is all of sudden up in arms offended and furious. DUI is never cool, even if it's just a golf cart, but there are way bigger things going wrong in the world that none of you care at all, so stop the charade already.

What charade? People are saying he got what he deserved, no one's furious or up in arms. Seems like more people are up in arms about the cop for some reason.

 

[DaaaaB's]

-Drunk drivers don't deserve any sympathy or excuses
-This particular case, while still not okay, is in the grand scheme of things not a huge deal considering the circumstances (vehicle, location, etc)
-The cop is clearly an antagonistic asshole on a power trip who went looking for a problem
-Brunette is responding exactly the way you would expect a hammered rich Florida guy to respond

This is really not that big of a deal. It was stupid and he shouldn't have done it.

His boss saw the video, the guys on his staff saw the video, the players he coaches saw the video, future employers saw the video, his family saw the video. This will hang over his head for the rest of his life.

Public embarrassment and a large fine that he's more than capable of paying is more than enough punishment.

Let's move on.

Yeah, I really don't think anyone's looking to lock him up over this. The reason this thread has so many replies is because a lot of people in here think the cop was the bad guy and/or that shouldn't get a DUI on a golf course.

Then explain why cops dont deal with drunk bikers like they do drunk drivers

Anyhow Im over this conversation. Its tiring having to explain how a bike, a golf cart, and a car arent the same thing. Sheesh

Yeah, everyone knows they aren't the same thing. You're the one who can't understand that all three can cause serious accidents especially when operated by a drunk driver. It's pretty simple really.

 

[DaaaaB's]

Driving drunk is obviously bad, there's no excuse for it when you can get an Uber instead, even more so for someone like Andrew.

That being said this cop is yet another one who doesn't deserve to hold the position he does. Speaking down to people, threatening violence, par for the course for most American cops.

It's very easy to read through this thread and tell which posters never had to deal with shit bag cops even though you were polite and didn't do anything wrong but were simply pulled over for bullshit reasons.

Many cops in our country have no business holding the positions of power they do.

It's not just a "few bad apples" either. It's why a large amount of people in our country have a tumultuous relationship with the police.

The people criticizing the cop are clearly the ones who haven't dealt with cops before. Most cops act like that including in Canada. Maybe it's not right but if you had to deal with drunk assholes all the time then you'd quite possibly do the same.

Alright I'm gonna say this. Who the f*** gets a DUI on a golf cart? Lmaoo

A lot of people do. A lot of people get them on lawnmowers too.

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

Or, maybe people are lazy and when they're 3 sheets to the wind, they try to put forth as little effort as possible and will choose to hop on something with a motor that they can just put in gear and it goes forward and the have to sort of steer and maybe apply the brakes, instead of choosing something that requires them to steer and pedal and pedal to keep going and which is more likely to crash when they fail to do that and dump them on the ground and cause injury, all while sitting on a "small enough to wedge up your ass" seat just so they can ......

... nah, you're right - that makes way too much sense. Probably more logical that people who want to drive drunk but don't want to do it in a big vehicle borrow their kids or their neighbor's kid's Flower Power 20" to get to and from Moe's every night and skip the Husqvarna 28HP that does practically all the work and will run over a bunch of stuff along the way.

Drunk college kids and homeless people on bikes and scooters everywhere in every big city. The police don’t care enough to investigate them with the seriousness of a motor vehicle on the road. That was my point, and you just want to make things ridiculous. Okay.

 

[rt]

walk or uber. f***ing rich people.

Golf carting is basically walking. It’s why they allow them on golf courses.

Lots of people die while drunk walking.

-Drunk drivers don't deserve any sympathy or excuses
-This particular case, while still not okay, is in the grand scheme of things not a huge deal considering the circumstances (vehicle, location, etc)
-The cop is clearly an antagonistic asshole on a power trip who went looking for a problem
-Brunette is responding exactly the way you would expect a hammered rich Florida guy to respond

This is really not that big of a deal. It was stupid and he shouldn't have done it.

His boss saw the video, the guys on his staff saw the video, the players he coaches saw the video, future employers saw the video, his family saw the video. This will hang over his head for the rest of his life.

Public embarrassment and a large fine that he's more than capable of paying is more than enough punishment.

Let's move on.

True. Good post. Hopefully Brunette sees this video and decides not to get drunk again.

 

[TeamRenzo]

I would be embarrassed if I was that cop.

Why?

 

[IamNotADancer]

Didn't know Kermit was moonlighting as a cop.

That being said DUI is DUI. Throw the book at him.

 

[Toby91ca]

Golf carting is basically walking. It’s why they allow them on golf courses.

What?

 

[Larrybiv]

His grave offense, not coming to a complete dead stop at two stop signs in a golf cart.

Agreed, daggone golf cart and "you slowed down pretty good, but didn't come to a complete stop".........really? In that scenario, NOBODY is expecting a full stop, that late at night, with NO traffic. Jeez, get a life copper.
That's borderline harassment. Guess Copper doesn't like/afford/play golf.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Drunk college kids and homeless people on bikes and scooters everywhere in every big city. The police don’t care enough to investigate them with the seriousness of a motor vehicle on the road. That was my point, and you just want to make things ridiculous. Okay.

Maybe police don't investigate them with the seriousness of a motor vehicle on the road because if you're drunk and on a bicycle and crash, you're (1) probably not going more than about 10 mph because you don't have the coordination to ride faster, and (2) even if you're going faster, when you crash you're probably taking out you and your 175 lbs. along with a 5-7 lb. bike. Compare that to being drunk in a motor vehicle on the road, where you're controlling an object with at least 2500 lbs. of weight - a lot more if we're talking about an SUV - and can easily propel that to 35 mph, 50 mph, 85 mph and generate an incredible amount of force that does an incredible amount of damage when it collides with another object or a person.

Of course, they also probably don't investigate them with the same seriousness because there's not some daily rash of drunk college kids and homeless people on bikes and scooters everywhere in every big city like it's Day of the Zombies - because, as I have pointed out a few times now, people are lazy and will find whatever item gets them from A to B with the least amount of effort, riding a bike is not some easy task even sober, the number of motorized scooters in the hands of even college students is small, and the number in the hands of homeless people is exceedingly small.

Lots of people die while drunk walking.

Define "lots of people die while drunk walking." Are we talking about 100,000? 10,000? Or like 100, if that?

 

[DaaaaB's]

Agreed, daggone golf cart and "you slowed down pretty good, but didn't come to a complete stop".........really? In that scenario, NOBODY is expecting a full stop, that late at night, with NO traffic. Jeez, get a life copper.
That's borderline harassment. Guess Copper doesn't like/afford/play golf.

Another brilliant post.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Can't understand why this thread hasn't been closed, it hasn't been about hockey for quite a while.