Andrew Brunette DUI video released

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Was my point not obvious?

If there is no victim, there ought be no crime
Do you seriously not realize he could've have caused an accident that got himself, his wife or others injured or even killed. And if you don't think it happens then you might want to do some research.

So your argument is that no one should get a DUI unless they've caused an accident with another person. That's real brilliant lol
 
But my issue was with people taking the stance of illegal is all that matters and all crimes should be charged equally when its just not realistic and only creates more drunk drivers on the road (as opposed to a bike or a golf cart)
"We need to let people drive around drunk on bicycles and other modes of transportation, otherwise they'll just get behind the wheel of a vehicle while drunk" is a weird argument - especially when you think about why they're presumably riding drunk on a bike: they have enough awareness to know they shouldn't get behind the wheel of a vehicle.

If someone has that kind of awareness and still thinks after a dozen beers I gotta get around town, they're really unlikely to be climbing about their 10-speed Schwinn and try to balance on it while pedaling around trying to steer away from potholes, ruts, bumps and assorted litter. They're much more likely to hop on something like their 24 HP, 54" cut, V-twin John Deere riding lawn mower and putter around in 3rd gear at the nosebleed speed of 7 mph and enjoy the vaguely cushioned seat that snugs around their fat ass, because that's a hell of a lot "safer" with less chance of falling off and wiping out and incurring all kinds of scrapes and bruises.

[Which, if they get caught operating while drunk, they're going to get busted for DUI / DWI / OWI, whatever that particular state calls it.]
 
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"We need to let people drive around drunk on bicycles and other modes of transportation, otherwise they'll just get behind the wheel of a vehicle while drunk" is a weird argument - especially when you think about why they're presumably riding drunk on a bike: they have enough awareness to know they shouldn't get behind the wheel of a vehicle.

If someone has that kind of awareness and still thinks after a dozen beers I gotta get around town, they're really unlikely to be climbing about their 10-speed Schwinn and try to balance on it while pedaling around trying to steer away from potholes, ruts, bumps and assorted litter. They're much more likely to hop on something like their 24 HP, 54" cut, V-twin John Deere riding lawn mower and putter around in 3rd gear at the nosebleed speed of 7 mph and enjoy the vaguely cushioned seat that snugs around their fat ass, because that's a hell of a lot "safer" with less chance of falling off and wiping out and incurring all kinds of scrapes and bruises.

[Which, if they get caught operating while drunk, they're going to get busted for DUI / DWI / OWI, whatever that particular state calls it.]
Then explain why cops dont deal with drunk bikers like they do drunk drivers

Anyhow Im over this conversation. Its tiring having to explain how a bike, a golf cart, and a car arent the same thing. Sheesh
 
How can you have your license suspended for driving a vehicle or bike that doesn't require a license to operate?

It never made much sense other than we don't want drunks on the roads /sidewalks driving whatever
 
Anyhow Im over this conversation. Its tiring having to explain how a bike, a golf cart, and a car arent the same thing. Sheesh
Guess I won't worry about explaining why cops don't deal with drunk bikers like they do drunk drivers. [Spoiler: something about frequency of events, but I'm sure you already knew that.]
 
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Do you seriously not realize he could've have caused an accident that got himself, his wife or others injured or even killed. And if you don't think it happens then you might want to do some research.

So your argument is that no one should get a DUI unless they've caused an accident with another person. That's real brilliant lol

Brilliant or not, that's real freedom
 
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How can you have your license suspended for driving a vehicle or bike that doesn't require a license to operate?
Saying we can't suspend someone's license for driving something that doesn't require one incentivizes an offender to both use the "no license required" devices while drunk [because ... what real downside is there? The state can't prohibit them from using it] and increases the chances that they'll get drunk and operate something that does require a license (and for which they may or may not have a license).

Besides, DUI doesn't require an offender to be licensed at all. But really it boils down to "because
states have decided this and written their laws accordingly" and courts have supported that.
 
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I know plenty of kids frequent these boards, but still astounded at the number of people mocking someone's voice and calling them a nerd. Wtf does that man's voice have to do with Brunette committing a crime (and then flagrantly lying repeatedly)?

Nevermind the ridiculous comments about it just being a golf cart or a gated community, or the clearly-lacking-context assumptions that this was a random patrolling cop that decided to pin someone for rolling through a stop sign.

Don't think the cop's wording in response to the resistance was the ideal choice, but otherwise he seemed fine.
 
Driving drunk is obviously bad, there's no excuse for it when you can get an Uber instead, even more so for someone like Andrew.

That being said this cop is yet another one who doesn't deserve to hold the position he does. Speaking down to people, threatening violence, par for the course for most American cops.

It's very easy to read through this thread and tell which posters never had to deal with shit bag cops even though you were polite and didn't do anything wrong but were simply pulled over for bullshit reasons.

Many cops in our country have no business holding the positions of power they do.

It's not just a "few bad apples" either. It's why a large amount of people in our country have a tumultuous relationship with the police.
 
Guess I won't worry about explaining why cops don't deal with drunk bikers like they do drunk drivers. [Spoiler: something about frequency of events, but I'm sure you already knew that.]
Yeah it has nothing about frequency of events. Most cops just don’t care about drunk bikers because it’s a much lower risk situation than a drunk person behind a motor vehicle.

You probably think the police don’t deal with underage drinking teenagers much because it doesn’t happen very often.
 
Brilliant or not, that's real freedom
Freedom is a right, sure. But it isn't the only one. Rights have limitations that are met when other people's rights become or potentially become breached.

In the case of DUI, it endangers others' rights to life, security, etc. but also endangers oneself (being under influence, one may lack the ability to rationalize their decision making and fully understand the potential consequences of their act not only upon others but also upon themselves). Waiting until there are victims to act, rather than providing the resources to minimize the risk of reccurrence (not saying the judicial system is perfect in that regard, far from that actually), is simply dumb.
 
Those cops seemed like assholes. Granted Brunette did seem drunk, but I think they could've handled the situation better. Basically everyone looks bad here.
If someone had told me that a guy driving a golf cart, at what less than 10 miles an hour in freaking Florida, gets pulled over and the video goes viral I would have thought that's weird everyday Florida stuff why is it news worthy.

I think it's both sad and funny at the same time but Brunette is a white guy, if he hadn't been how does the video turn out?

That's the important thing here just like in Kansas City.
 
Yeah it has nothing about frequency of events. Most cops just don’t care about drunk bikers because it’s a much lower risk situation than a drunk person behind a motor vehicle.
Or, maybe people are lazy and when they're 3 sheets to the wind, they try to put forth as little effort as possible and will choose to hop on something with a motor that they can just put in gear and it goes forward and the have to sort of steer and maybe apply the brakes, instead of choosing something that requires them to steer and pedal and pedal to keep going and which is more likely to crash when they fail to do that and dump them on the ground and cause injury, all while sitting on a "small enough to wedge up your ass" seat just so they can ......

... nah, you're right - that makes way too much sense. Probably more logical that people who want to drive drunk but don't want to do it in a big vehicle borrow their kids or their neighbor's kid's Flower Power 20" to get to and from Moe's every night and skip the Husqvarna 28HP that does practically all the work and will run over a bunch of stuff along the way.

You probably think the police don’t deal with underage drinking teenagers much because it doesn’t happen very often.
I think you should ask me what I think, instead of pretending you think you know what I think when we both know you don't know what I think.
 
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The only people who should ever get popped for DUI are those who are in an accident? Or speeding? This is a bizarre take.
If I've read the thread correctly, it's just the ones who get in an accident using a vehicle that requires a license who should get popped for a DUI. Maybe. It depends on the pitch of the cop's voice and whether he says the right words in the right way.
 
C'mon. All of the things you said about Brunette were true, but it was obvious that the cop's demeanor toward his job is on the antagonist side. There are plenty of videos around of similar situations where the cop isn't sarcastic and doesn't try to be a fake hard man. He also got really upset when Brunette refused the field sobriety tests, which is his right.

This isn't defending the actions of drunk driving, it is trying to objectively analyze the individual angles independently.

To be clear, Brunette was a total f***ing moron here.
I said this earlier in the thread. The cop has a camera. He knows he has a camera. His job, in-part, is to get idiots like a DUI Brunette off the road. To do that he needs evidence. Thus, the cop fed Brunette lots of lines to get him to talk, and talk he did, right into a DUI no lawyer, amount of money, or coaching job is ever going to get him off of.
 
17 minutes to go one mile huh?

Hahahahahaha

But hey, glad the cops followed him for 17 minutes before deciding to pull over this monster!! Community protection at its finest baby
If you bothered to read any of numerous news articles written about the entire affair written by actual journalists who check the facts and reports instead of just repeating incorrect, cherry-picked assumptions by others who never bothered to read actual reports either, or even used the information I just spoon-fed you straight from the Brunette's slurring mouth, you wouldn't keep banging-on about how he didn't drive on public streets.

Just admit the foundation of your narrative was wrong because you didn't do any homework. 'Course, even after spoon-feeding you still can't seem to click the few tabs it would take.

It's understandable why now you're just merely griping about how he got followed after his encounter at the last watering hole. Step 1 of his alcohol-induced bad judgement began right there by sticking it to the cop writing his parking ticket (yep, cry as you might, carts are subject to those same rules as well in public spaces) and climbing into his cart with a passenger to drive away.

It's highly naive to believe any cop will just look the other way in that situation. Along with the alcohol there's a whole lot of privilege on display to have done that. Didn't work. You're upset because the cop didn't throw away the rulebook on drinking and driving, which clearly includes golf carts on public streets.

It's almost as if you and others in your echo chamber don't understand that drunk driving enforcement does not work on a "No harm, no foul" concept and it hasn't since the 1980s. That's the reality and has been for far longer than you've likely been driving.
 
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Reading a lot of armchair quarterback experts on what it’s like to be a police officer.

Until you work as an officer you should probably shut your mouth

So what, show proof you finished most of highschool with a 60% average and do a weekend course on how to not shoot bystanders by accident and you’re now an authority on the topic?
 
Really interesting stuff here. It’s pretty simple - you get caught breaking the law, you suffer the consequences, and the cops don’t need to be nice about it either. It’s a pretty straightforward thing - follow the law, or don’t.
 
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