Post-Game Talk: And the wheels are spinning, spinning, and spinning, spinning. Jets lose in Sunrise.

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BigZ65

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He's producing at a 51 point pace. He needs to step it up for sure, but he was key in one Jets goal tonight. Hopefully he can at end up with at least 60 points at the end of the year. I think he will be around there.

Our highest paid forward at 60 points, hopefully? We really aren't a playoff team.
 

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We sure didn't have our best lineup in there at forward, tough to win regularly with Albert, Peluso, Tangradi, and Thorburn in the lineup at the same time. I was in Sunrise last weekend and caught the Pens Panthers game, and the Panthers doubled the Pens shots and outplayed them badly but lost 5-1. They are a pesky bunch and in particular, Hubs, Bjugstad, Hayes and Barkov looked good.
On a side note, their rink was beautiful and put MTS Centre to shame. What a great facility, it's too bad they only have around 12000 people there tho. The jumbotron is unreal and they have clear plexi glass that you can look through when you come out of the concourse not like our glass you can't see through in the upper deck. Its interesting, cause the seats in the lower bowl where the camera faces are very expensive club seats so no one sits there but on the other side its pretty full, its just funny when you watch on TV it looks like no one is there, and there isn't, on that one side.
Anyway, tough game to watch but the Panthers are better than their record.
 

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Sorry boys, but 4-2 on this roadie isn't good enough (assuming we win the last one). It doesn't matter if you want to brush it off with the ol' "oh well, sometimes bad teams beat good teams." Its not about who we got beat by, its about us needing those points and not having the jam to go out and take them. We needed to take 5 of these games at least if we wanted to have any hope at all...
 

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Wheeler's problem is the opposition refuses to pull their goalie when he is on the ice.


He'd still be too chicken **** to take it to the net anyway. I'm amazed he didn't pull up at the hash marks in New York the other night.
 

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Sorry boys, but 4-2 on this roadie isn't good enough (assuming we win the last one). It doesn't matter if you want to brush it off with the ol' "oh well, sometimes bad teams beat good teams." Its not about who we got beat by, its about us needing those points and not having the jam to go out and take them. We needed to take 5 of these games at least if we wanted to have any hope at all...

I had them pegged at 4-2 for the road trip (losses at NYR/Tampa) so if they can win at Tampa then I'm not all that disappointed. Some crap games (PHI/FLA) to be sure and that's not going to get them anywhere but these guys are still stuck playing poorly against poor teams.
 

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Jets definitely laid an egg last night. As mentioned in the PGT and GDT, there are no free spaces in professional sports. If you don't show up to play, any team can win.

Need to forget that one and try to get the win in Tampa now.
 

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Sorry boys, but 4-2 on this roadie isn't good enough (assuming we win the last one). It doesn't matter if you want to brush it off with the ol' "oh well, sometimes bad teams beat good teams." Its not about who we got beat by, its about us needing those points and not having the jam to go out and take them. We needed to take 5 of these games at least if we wanted to have any hope at all...

So that one loss in 82 games in an early December road trip is the defining moment by which all hope is lost.

And that comes from someone who's name is "SensibleGuy".

Love it! :)
 

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We just weren't sharp at all last night.

There were a few decent performances but the majority of players were off.

I really disliked Tangradi's game last night, he really disrupted our third line last night.
 

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We just weren't sharp at all last night.

There were a few decent performances but the majority of players were off.

I really disliked Tangradi's game last night, he really disrupted our third line last night.

Frolik was scratched with the flu, I remember hearing on the radio.
 

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Frolik was scratched with the flu, I remember hearing on the radio.

Yeah I know, wasn't blaming Noel for putting him there as he really didn't have a choice. Just thought he did a good job of dragging the line down when I was hoping he'd step up a bit.
 

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Yeah I know, wasn't blaming Noel for putting him there as he really didn't have a choice. Just thought he did a good job of dragging the line down when I was hoping he'd step up a bit.

Wasn't it Tangradi who crashed into Scheifele, shortly after the two Florida d-men did the exact same thing? Keystone cops sequence, that was. :laugh:
 

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So that one loss in 82 games in an early December road trip is the defining moment by which all hope is lost.

And that comes from someone who's name is "SensibleGuy".

Love it! :)

I said the exact same thing before they left on the trip.

The reason is because everyone else has decided to take advantage of an easy eastern conference and the Jets had not played allot of those games yet.
So they need to take advantage as well so they stop falling further and further behind.
To me anything less than 5-1 is/was not going to be acceptable for a team that wants to make the playoffs.
 

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I hope Noel bag skates these guys till they puke today! Start of a 5 game losing streak IMO! Playoffs are completely out of reach
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"The battle level was missing," said Jokinen, who scored his seventh goal of the season and, along with linemate Devin Setoguchi, was one of only two Jets with a positive plus-minus. "(Florida) worked hard. But we had three days to prepare for this game and we weren't ready. They played well but, at the same time, we had a pretty good game against New York... we couldn't bring what we brought Monday night and in this league once the puck is dropped the record means nothing.

"Every team wants to win games and every team works hard and if your battle level is not there, you're not going to win. That's the bottom line.
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"Everybody talks about the trip, that we're up 3-2 now, but you can't look at it that way. You can't look at it that you've got a six-game trip and you've got to try and win three or four games. You've got to be ready to play every single night. It doesn't matter what time the game is or where the game is going to be played. You have to go day by day. You can't get ahead of yourself and you've just got to be ready to play and we weren't ready to play. They were ready to play and they wanted to win more than we did and everybody saw what happened."

"It showed tonight that if you're not ready to battle and not willing to play and stick with the game plan that we've been doing you're not going to win. It was pretty evident tonight
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-Olli Jokinen

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Typical of this team.

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So that one loss in 82 games in an early December road trip is the defining moment by which all hope is lost.

And that comes from someone who's name is "SensibleGuy".

Love it! :)

prior to this roadie I had them essentially out of the playoffs. If they could have gone 5-1 (or god forbid actually pulled off 6-0) on this trip, I'd have seen some reason for a bit of optimism. But now with no better than 4-2 (and quite possibly 3-3) on this trip then yes, last night may have been a defining moment similar to how last years loss early on to FLA's AHL squad was sort of a defining moment of last season. If the Jets can't take advantage of weaker teams, they certainly won't be making up ground against the teams above them in the standings...
 

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prior to this roadie I had them essentially out of the playoffs. If they could have gone 5-1 (or god forbid actually pulled off 6-0) on this trip, I'd have seen some reason for a bit of optimism. But now with no better than 4-2 (and quite possibly 3-3) on this trip then yes, last night may have been a defining moment similar to how last years loss early on to FLA's AHL squad was sort of a defining moment of last season. If the Jets can't take advantage of weaker teams, they certainly won't be making up ground against the teams above them in the standings...

I agree with you they are unlikely to make the playoffs, though I'm not willing to throw in the towel just yet. I'll give them until the end of December.

But at some point you have to look at this team and think of some way to change the culture of the team because Olli nailed it. The other way of saying it is these guys aren't mature enough to get up for the "easy" games. They play well against good teams but cannot put away "lesser" teams. Who does that fall on? To me, and I confess I'm just a fan with no great knowledge of the game, that falls to the coach and the leader/captain of the team.

Ladd's been on cup winning teams and has seen/been part of the culture of winning. Do the Jets have that? I don't see it.

Noel is doing what to fix this? The same as he's done for the last several years? Yeah, that didn't work then and it won't work now. The team is complacent and immature as a group. They are not bringing it in the fashion that the Blackhawks do.

It's great to be up to play the Rangers and hopefully they step up against the 'better' Florida team. But they get St. Louis, Colorado and the lowly Stars (who are ahead of us in the standings, yes?) next week at home. I'm not counting on winning all three of those (2/3). After that they have eight more December games.

I think they have a shot if they go 4/2 on this road trip, 2/1 at home next week and 6/2 in those last eight. Dropping more than two or three of the next 11 and the hole is just too deep.
 

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Wouldn't get too excited about this loss. Depth of the road trip - sunny Florida in December. Happens to every team - good and average. Nobody here was showing much respect for Florida and they showed they were good enough to beat us, a slightly better team, on their home ice.
 

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When all is said and done, this is no better than a .500 team, no better, no worse, win 3 lose 2, win 2, lose 3. And I'm not sure it's the coach or the players or (likely) a combination of both but I'm not expecting much more than what they've shown come season end. It is what it is.
 

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I agree with you they are unlikely to make the playoffs, though I'm not willing to throw in the towel just yet. I'll give them until the end of December.

But at some point you have to look at this team and think of some way to change the culture of the team because Olli nailed it. The other way of saying it is these guys aren't mature enough to get up for the "easy" games. They play well against good teams but cannot put away "lesser" teams. Who does that fall on? To me, and I confess I'm just a fan with no great knowledge of the game, that falls to the coach and the leader/captain of the team.

Ladd's been on cup winning teams and has seen/been part of the culture of winning. Do the Jets have that? I don't see it.

Noel is doing what to fix this? The same as he's done for the last several years? Yeah, that didn't work then and it won't work now. The team is complacent and immature as a group. They are not bringing it in the fashion that the Blackhawks do.

It's great to be up to play the Rangers and hopefully they step up against the 'better' Florida team. But they get St. Louis, Colorado and the lowly Stars (who are ahead of us in the standings, yes?) next week at home. I'm not counting on winning all three of those (2/3). After that they have eight more December games.

I think they have a shot if they go 4/2 on this road trip, 2/1 at home next week and 6/2 in those last eight. Dropping more than two or three of the next 11 and the hole is just too deep.

How exactly do we change this though?

We have turned over a number of roster players including bringing in a long time vet in Jokinin and another cup winner in Frolik.

I do believe we could use a cup winning vet on the back end but how much more winning experience is needed on this roster?

I think we need to bring in a coach who won't tolerate efforts like last night.
 
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