Blue Jays Discussion: And the off-season begins (list of FA's in Post #1)
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Patmac40
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That team would get rolled. Vlad is 17 and both Tellez and SRF need a little bit more time IMO. We need to bring in more experienced guys to fill the holes in the lineup.
I completely agree. He was absolutely horrendous last night. Almost cost them the Championship.
Canada4Gold
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I don't know about a 65 win team, but they wouldn't win anymore than 75.
Assuming X in the pen is another player then it also had 26 players on the roster.
Vlad Jr is nowhere near this team for at least 2 years, SRF isn't on this team next year either. Tellez is a longshot though I think he's ready.
EE, Cecil, Jansen, Reddick would be a solid 4 guys to add/retain though.
Assuming X in the pen is another player then it also had 26 players on the roster.
Vlad Jr is nowhere near this team for at least 2 years, SRF isn't on this team next year either. Tellez is a longshot though I think he's ready.
EE, Cecil, Jansen, Reddick would be a solid 4 guys to add/retain though.
Diamond Joe Quimby
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Let me try, one77. I'm sober, so maybe it will turn out slightly different.
C) Martin
1b) Encarnacion (4Y @ $20MM)
2b) Travis
3b) Donaldson
SS) Tulo
LF) Pagan (S) (1Y @ $5.5MM)
CF) Pillar
RF) Pollack (Acquired for Pompey, Greene, something shiny)
DH) Joyce (L) \ Pearce (R) (1Y @ ~$5MM each)
Bench: Ellis, Barney/Goins, T. Holt
Rotation: Sanchez, Stroman, Happ, Estrada, Liriano
Bullpen: Osuna, Grilli, Biaginni, Hudson, Turner, Germen, Cecil (L)\Loup (L)
C) Martin
1b) Encarnacion (4Y @ $20MM)
2b) Travis
3b) Donaldson
SS) Tulo
LF) Pagan (S) (1Y @ $5.5MM)
CF) Pillar
RF) Pollack (Acquired for Pompey, Greene, something shiny)
DH) Joyce (L) \ Pearce (R) (1Y @ ~$5MM each)
Bench: Ellis, Barney/Goins, T. Holt
Rotation: Sanchez, Stroman, Happ, Estrada, Liriano
Bullpen: Osuna, Grilli, Biaginni, Hudson, Turner, Germen, Cecil (L)\Loup (L)
zeke
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Yeah, 65 seems like a hell of a stretch. Including Reid-Foley and (especially) Guerrero is... uh... an "interesting" strategy... but other than that there aren't really any major holes in the roster. Replace those two with league-average players and you've got a competitive team.
Starting the year with Rowdy on the team is a bold move.
Starting the year with Reid-Foley in the rotation is crazy and unnecessary.
Starting the year with Guerrero in the OF is pure insanity.
Rowdy will be in Buffalo, Reid-Foley will be in New Hampshire, and Guerrero will be in Lansing.
Diamond Joe Quimby
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Nineteen would require extremely aggressive movement and best case scenario performance. It would mean something like splitting 2017 between Lansing and Dunedin, starting 2018 at New Hampshire, getting a mid-season promotion to Buffalo and a September call-up.
I think 20 is reasonable, but even that would require a hell of a performance.
I wouldn't be surprised if he skips Vancouver to get him to full-season ball this year.
Diamond Joe Quimby
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I could see that.
18: A
19: A+
20: ?? Profit ??
The young man had a wRC+ of 122 in A-. Let's pump the breaks.
Not even A-... rookie ball.
Still though, a 17-year-old with a 122 wRC+ in the Appalachian league is outstanding, and that, plus the way he did it (lots of power, lots of walks, few strikeouts) suggests he's going to be a very good major league hitter in the future. Unfortunately, it also suggests he would be absolutely awful in the majors right now.
The Nemesis
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I don't want Vlad to skip Short-season A. Just give me a couple weeks to get out and see him live, then move him up. 
Fun facts:
- The last player to amass even 100 plate appearances in his age-18 season was Robin Yount in 1974.
- The last (and only) player to have enough plate appearances to qualify for the batting title in his age-18 season was Phil Cavarretta in 1935.
- The last (and only) player to have 200 plate appearances and actually have a league-average batting line was Johnny Lush in 1904.
Even the most dominant 18-year-old players of all time pretty much suck compared to actual major leaguers.
- The last player to amass even 100 plate appearances in his age-18 season was Robin Yount in 1974.
- The last (and only) player to have enough plate appearances to qualify for the batting title in his age-18 season was Phil Cavarretta in 1935.
- The last (and only) player to have 200 plate appearances and actually have a league-average batting line was Johnny Lush in 1904.
Even the most dominant 18-year-old players of all time pretty much suck compared to actual major leaguers.
I believe that the youngest Blue Jay ever is catcher Brian Milner in 1978. Used as a gimmick to get a 1st round caliber picked in the 7th round to sign, Milner had 4 hits in 9 ABs. He went on to have injury and health problems retiring at the age of 22.
Eyedea
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It's kind of funny how the weaknesses in junior's game (swing path, discipline, barrel control) are now strengths similar to his dad. That "fringe starting option" ceiling Dan Farnsworth tossed out on him before the season is now the complete opposite that John Manuel has wrote (60+ bat, 70 power, 50 runner).
TheBeastCoast
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He had a 122 wRC+ as a 17 year old. Age matters here lol he was the youngest player in the league. Put him in full season ball next year see how he does and him breaking into the league as a 20 year old really isn't that crazy.
Canada4Gold
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Yeah I'd start Vlad in Lansing next year. Sad for those in Vancouver wanting to see him. I was surprised he didn't get a taste of that this year, but I want him playing minor league games for those first 2 months instead of extended spring and then Vancouver. If short season ball went April to June I might have a different opinion.
The Nemesis
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There have been a whole bunch of rebrands across the minors this off-season and it's hilarious how curmudgeonly milb fans have been about the trend toward oddball names (the 5 teams I saw get branded were named the hillcats, wood ducks, fire frogs, jumbo shrimp, and rumble ponies.)
Yes,the names are silly. But that's the point. I've seen marketing discussions that talk about how the most important thing for these teams is getting kids interested because kid's get their families to the games and that's the lifeblood of minor league ball. It's like traditionalist stuffed-shirt fans feel their masculinity is at stake if they cheer for a team named the "Yard Goats" or that they need their single A team to have a serious, MLB style name to validate their sporting existence.
Yes,the names are silly. But that's the point. I've seen marketing discussions that talk about how the most important thing for these teams is getting kids interested because kid's get their families to the games and that's the lifeblood of minor league ball. It's like traditionalist stuffed-shirt fans feel their masculinity is at stake if they cheer for a team named the "Yard Goats" or that they need their single A team to have a serious, MLB style name to validate their sporting existence.
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Little strange. Barney is supposed to be arbitration eligible, and you would assume Navarro elected free agency like everyone else, because I'm not sure what the alternative is(play for league minimum for your current team?). Maybe they just got them mixed up.
Mitchy
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trellaine201
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This from baseball reference:
2016 Status Signed thru 2016, Earliest Arb Eligible: 2017, Earliest Free Agent: 2018
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