Proposal: Ana-wpg
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JetsHomer
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This is interesting and I was unaware that the Ducks had any injured players. Who's hurt on their team?
dracom
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Nate Thompson will be out 5-6 months after having surgery to repair multiple labrum tears in his left shoulder.
How do they make good trading partners?
I know Jets fan's don't want to hear it (just look at the Trouba thread on their board), but there's zero reason for Anaheim to do something around Lindholm for Trouba.
The Ducks are thinking about trading Fowler for several reasons. Depth, expansion, and not being able to afford his next contract. Subtract Fowler from this team and our left side is much weaker than our right side. We have: Vatanen, Manson, Montour, and Bieksa on the right side. Plus, Despres is better on the right side.
So if you consider that Lindholm is off the table, than what do we have to trade them for Trouba? Fowler? Fowler is incredibly underrated on HF, but he's not worth Trouba, especially when you consider he's a FA in 2 years. Plus, we'd have to send Stoner back with him for salary reasons (Trouba is going to get much more than 4 million). Therefore, there's no chance in hell Winnipeg would do something around Fowler+Stoner+ for Trouba.
Theodore won't go anywhere as long as the uncertainty around Fowler is there. Montour would be more likely to be traded, but he's a RHD, and even if he was a LHD, he's not enough to get them to think about trading Trouba. Plus, we need to shed salary.
The teams really aren't good trading partners. Winnipeg fans just wish we were since they want Lindholm. Many are ignoring our team needs. If Fowler was the one locked up to Vatanen's contract, than maybe it's more realistic. The team that has the best pieces to acquire Trouba is Toronto IMO.
I agree with your assessment; however, it is possible (likely improbable) that the Ducks are in the same position as the Jets with a defense man wanting to be traded which would then make them very good trading partners. Remember Lindholm is a RFA so the Jets can talk to Lindholm's agent and would have an idea of the actual situation. All I am saying is never say never.
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The only way Lindholm for Trouba would EVER make sense is if Lindholm is absolutely unwilling to sign a bridge, which would prevent the Ducks from signing him. Trouba would probably get a bridge from his new team anyway, which would save Anaheim money now. I know what the counter argument will be - "we will clear space for them by doing something else". Why hasn't that happened yet? Instead, you've added a lot.
It's not easy trying to trade with you guys. You need quality forwards, but you can't add cap space. You want to hold on to your best assets, but outside of them, all you can move is cap dumps and/or assets which don't bring you those cheap forwards who can contribute now. Then you say that we're better off doing nothing or paying for someone to take our cap dumps (while retaining the best prospects and using lesser ones as a payment) or giving up Despres for cheap, which doesn't happen because his health concerns. Nothing happens, life goes on, and every once in a while the discussion is repeated.
All we can offer is Dano+futures for Fowler. It saves you cap and gives you a forward to play in your middle six. Dano is one of the better options that could realistically be available, because that ELC is almost necessary, when Fowler is only making 4 million a year.
Then we could talk about the internal budget, but since there hasn't been any confirmed numbers (at least I haven't heard about any), it would be quite pointless to do so. What if you're already at the limit? Who knows.
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Yes you can; however, the question is why have the Ducks signed the deal then? There could be more to this story then is in the papers/internet, the only difference being that Lindholm's agent has not gone public like Trouba's did.
For the same reason that a lot of players are currently unsigned. It's a negotiation. Both sides try to get the best deal that they can.
There could be more to the story, but till any word leaks out that Lindholm wants out there's absolutely no reason to think that's the case.
The fact he has not signed and training camp has started is a very good indicator that there is more to the story. The ducks have the cap room, the comparables are there so why no contract.
The Jets fans used the "it is a negotiation" line as well.
Yeah, and it turned out that Trouba wanted out. That doesn't mean it's the same thing with Lindholm.
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Missing the point, trouba requested a trade... lindholm hasn't so until then they are not comparable.
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Or Murray is trying to go for a deal similar to Reilly, while Lindholm's camp wants Ekblad money. They should both be able to come to an agreement before the season starts. The lack of a contract now does not mean there's more to the story,like him wanting to leave. If that was true,Risto,Kuch,Reider, and any other RFAs that are left must want out too. Just because Trouba wants out of Winnipeg, doesn't mean that all other unsigned RFAs want out too.
That is true and he is likely to sign with the ducks; however, I was just pointing out a possible scenario for the delay
Lindholm has not publicly asked for a trade; however, that does not mean he has not privately asked for one. I suspect that the only reason this is public for Trouba is because of his agent.
I am not saying that he wants to be traded. Just pointing out that you cannot discount the possibility. To answer your other question, Risto,Kuch,Reider, and any other RFAs that are left may want trades as well. I am willing to bet that the request for trades happen more often then we think; however, most times the parties involved do not go public.
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OR maybe he just hasn't requested one
Sure, it is highly likely that he has not asked for a trade; however, you cannot discount that possibility completely. The only positive for the ducks right now is that everything is private regardless of reason for the delay in signing him.
Anaheim can easily sign Lindholm to a non bridge deal.
Maybe we're at an internal budget, maybe not. revenue from expansion and the world cup may change it this year? Who knows? What I do know is that our GM would not do some stupid trade to hurt the team in favor of signing guys like Vermette or Boll. I do think Fowler will be traded, but he will fetch much larger return than what you offered. And I'm a big Dano fan.
My point is that the Ducks and Jets really aren't great trading partners like some are suggesting.
You're reaching.
Using that logic every unsigned RFA could want out. While possible, it's very unlikely. RFA's aren't signed by this time all the time.
The situations are completely different. Trouba wants a certain role on the Jets, and he can't have it because of other roster players. It's the complete opposite for Lindholm. With Lindholm, there's a big range for someone in his situation. There's Ekblad, than there's Jones. There's been nothing to suggest that he wants out. Him not being signed isn't that big of a flag. It's actually fairly common. See Johnny G, Risto, etc as examples for this year alone.
