Proposal: Ana-wpg

[mondo3]

The more I think about it, the more I like it. Theodore could eventually be a replacement for Enstrom. This seems like a pretty solid defense for the next 5 years (and could get better if someone like Poolman steps up):

Enstrom (Morressey in 2017/18) Buff
Theodore Trouba
Chiarot/Postma Myers(or trade bait, replaced by lesser D)

 

[CaptainChef]

Its a yikes all the way. No way in hell we ever consider that trade. Until recently, Morrissey was valued right up there with Theodore. I have no doubt the two will be similar defensemen in the NHL, but both are totally unproven at this point.

Giving up a top line & potentially elite forward for a basically unproven D-man who likely isn't any better than Morrissey -- a resounding NO.

 

[Johnny HFBOARDS]

The more I think about it, the lid must be off the Glue Bottle.

 

[irishsetter13]

Its a yikes all the way. No way in hell we ever consider that trade. Until recently, Morrissey was valued right up there with Theodore. I have no doubt the two will be similar defensemen in the NHL, but both are totally unproven at this point.

Giving up a top line & potentially elite forward for a basically unproven D-man who likely isn't any better than Morrissey -- a resounding NO.

Josh Morrissey in 15-16:
AHL: 3G-19A in 57 Games.
NHL: 0G-0A in 1 game

Shea Theodore in 15-16:
AHL: 9G-28A in 50 Games.
NHL: 3G-5A in 19 Games.

Yep Morrissey is as good as Theodore. The stats hold up....

 

[JetsHomer]

Josh Morrissey in 15-16:
AHL: 3G-19A in 57 Games.
NHL: 0G-0A in 1 game

Shea Theodore in 15-16:
AHL: 9G-28A in 50 Games.
NHL: 3G-5A in 19 Games.

Yep Morrissey is as good as Theodore. The stats hold up....

Everyone knows the best way to judge a defenceman is to look at how many points they scored!

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

Josh Morrissey in 15-16:
AHL: 3G-19A in 57 Games.
NHL: 0G-0A in 1 game

Shea Theodore in 15-16:
AHL: 9G-28A in 50 Games.
NHL: 3G-5A in 19 Games.

Yep Morrissey is as good as Theodore. The stats hold up....

Using points as a metric to evaluate defensemen, great. Don't forget to mention how bad the Moose were this past year, and to a lesser extent, the Jets.

Morrissey's NHL game was quite impressive, I think. He kept a simple game, and would've re-appeared on the roster had he not been injured shortly after he got called up. I'm looking forward to Morrissey playing a longer stint in the big leagues this year.

 

[Whileee]

Ehlers is a special talent who could be a really elite scorer. They aren't going to trade him at this point for a good prospect at Theodore's level.

 

[irishsetter13]

Everyone knows the best way to judge a defenceman is to look at how many points they scored!

Except your friend said they will be similar defencemen. Shea Theodore is projected to be a very very good offensive dman. Im not sure the same could be said for Morrissey.

If you are going to compare two different defensemen and say they are projected to be the same players, they should have very similar point totals. They do not.

If he wouldve said Morrissey is projected to be an elite shutdown Dman with excellent Corsi% and Shea is just projected to be a PP QB (Which isnt true), then yes their stats will be quite different, but that wasnt said.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Everyone knows the best way to judge a defenceman is to look at how many points they scored!

It is a way to judge a defenseman I mean Erik Karlsson is a great defenseman because of what he does offensively not on the other side of the game. Offensive from a defenseman is important for teams you can't just have a bunch of shutdown types that don't score much and expect the best results for your team. Theodore is clearly better offensively from the blueline now the question comes who is better defensively and if Morrissey is better defensively is he so much better to make up for the offensive difference?

 

[Ducksgo*]

Theo played 82 games, while Ehlers played in 72. Not sure where you're getting your numbers. 25 in ANA, 57 in SD. He also outscored Ehlers, 50 to 38 as a defenseman..

I agree with this 100% Theo is going to be extremely dynamite in the NHL as a defenseman one day. That kid can score like no bodies business. And it's not a knock on Ehlers at all he's a good in his own right as well.

I think both trade pieces doesn't make sense for both franchises swapping.

 

[Ducksgo*]

Its a yikes all the way. No way in hell we ever consider that trade. Until recently, Morrissey was valued right up there with Theodore. I have no doubt the two will be similar defensemen in the NHL, but both are totally unproven at this point.

Giving up a top line & potentially elite forward for a basically unproven D-man who likely isn't any better than Morrissey -- a resounding NO.

We could be saying the same thing regarding Theo being a future top Pairing defenseman and potentially elite. The fact you included that on Ehlers and didn't give enough credit to Theo is pretty rude IMO.

Or maybe I'm just reading it wrong?

 

[bumblebeeman]

I'd rather just see what Morissey has to offer, and maybe in a year or two when the Jets are contending they can trade a winger for defense if they have to. It's not an urgent need unless Trouba doesn't sign imo

 

[mondo3]

I think people are missing the point when they talk about Morrissey been ready. We need more than one good left defenceman

 

[CaptainChef]

Except your friend said they will be similar defencemen. Shea Theodore is projected to be a very very good offensive dman. Im not sure the same could be said for Morrissey.

If you are going to compare two different defensemen and say they are projected to be the same players, they should have very similar point totals. They do not.

If he wouldve said Morrissey is projected to be an elite shutdown Dman with excellent Corsi% and Shea is just projected to be a PP QB (Which isnt true), then yes their stats will be quite different, but that wasnt said.

I guess the reason you couldn't say the same thing for Morrissey is all you bothered to check were his recent stats. I did say until recently they were both viewed very highly as offensive defensemen.

Lets look at their WHL carreers --
Theodore: 257 games, 212 points, 54 goals;
Morrissey 249 games, 196 points, 66 goals.

Not much to chose from that huh; Theodore with a few more points; Morrissey with a few more goals.

Sure Morrissey had a mediocre year last year playing on a horrid Moose team. Hence I said until recently, they were both viewed as very good prospects.

I have no doubt that both will be good NHL defensemen. Both may in fact be very good offensive defensemen in the NHL. No way I ever consider this trade

 

[Gliff]

As a Jet's fan, I don't mind this trade. Is Theodore's upside a number 1 LD or am I overrating him? If he became that good, it would allow Wpg to move Trouba back to RD, and trade Myers

No you arent overating him, but I can see why Jets fans wouldn't want to do this. Just like Anaheim fans probably wouldnt want to do it.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I think ehlers is the type of forward that it would take to get Theodore.... but I could see why both teams would say no.

It's kinda funny how people call Theodore an unproven player, and then in same sentence talk about ehlers as a potential elite scorer. Theodore has shown some skill at the NHL lever already... he can score up here and has shown elite ability to pass and on ice vision. Yes it's a small sample size but people really trying to talk ehlers up and undercut on Theodore.

 

[Ducksgo*]

I think ehlers is the type of forward that it would take to get Theodore.... but I could see why both teams would say no.

It's kinda funny how people call Theodore an unproven player, and then in same sentence talk about ehlers as a potential elite scorer. Theodore has shown some skill at the NHL lever already... he can score up here and has shown elite ability to pass and on ice vision. Yes it's a small sample size but people really trying to talk ehlers up and undercut on Theodore.

Which is just silly right? Both players are good at there position. But to knock on Theo being unproven and all that jazz is just silly. They've obviously never seen the kid play before lol

 

[Pongs21]

I think people are missing the point when they talk about Morrissey been ready. We need more than one good left defenceman

Trouba Buff
Enstrom Myers
Morrissey Chiarot/Stuart/Postma

But yeah let's trade our 1LW for a really good prospect who holds less value at this time.

 

[Ducksgo*]

Trouba Buff
Enstrom Myers
Morrissey Chiarot/Stuart/Postma

But yeah let's trade our 1LW for a really good prospect who holds less value at this time.

The stats speak for them self on Theo.

Edit: Btw we could probably find better suitable trade partners besides Winnipeg who can offer a 1 LW for a future top pairing defenseman. The entire league would be in on it. Just putting it out there. If you don't want to give up Ehlers for a 1 v 1 swap.

 

[PhoenyX]

Everyone knows the best way to judge a defenceman is to look at how many points they scored!

Theodore is better defensively too.

 

[Tunapants]

Trouba Buff
Enstrom Myers
Morrissey Chiarot/Stuart/Postma

But yeah let's trade our 1LW for a really good prospect who holds less value at this time.

I imagine Ehlers has quite a bit more value than Connor right? If so, how would you feel about a Connor for either Theodore or Larsson trade?

 

[iBELEAF]

awful for ANH

 

[Hunter368]

I imagine Ehlers has quite a bit more value than Connor right? If so, how would you feel about a Connor for either Theodore or Larsson trade?

Not needed by the Jets at this time. Jets have Trouba, Toby and Josh M on the left side. No need to trade away a great prospect for another one that isn't a dire need.

 

[Ducksgo*]

Not needed by the Jets at this time. Jets have Trouba, Toby and Josh M on the left side. No need to trade away a great prospect for another one that isn't a dire need.

Well it makes this discussion mute if we can't even get Connor for Theo which I wouldn't take. It's Ehlers or bust for me and I'm sure the entire ducks fan base regarding Theo.

 

[Hunter368]

Well it makes this discussion mute if we can't even get Connor for Theo which I wouldn't take. It's Ehlers or bust for me and I'm sure the entire ducks fan base regarding Theo.

Moot point really, as you've seen the virtually all Jets fans have said no interest in trading Connor or Ehlers for Theo. This isn't a slight towards Theo, he just isn't required on the Jets, thus no need giving up a significant asset to get him.