Confirmed Trade: [ANA/VGK] Evgenii Dadonov, cond. 2023/24 2nd round pick for John Moore, Ryan Kesler [OFFICIALLY VOIDED]

[The Marquis]

It's remarkable how many people are commenting on page 100+ of this thread seemingly without having read any of the details about what happened.

There have been at least 1000 posts since everything we've figured out so far was figured out as far as COULD be done, except the actual voiding of the deal and the hilarious thing is almost none of the posts since then have been about the deal being voided. Unreal.

Vegas being Vegas, providing entertainment to the masses, whether it's actually good or not.

 

[Boris Zubov]

It's remarkable how many people are commenting on page 100+ of this thread seemingly without having read any of the details about what happened.

What's even more notable is the amount of blame Ottawa is receiving based solely on innuendo, accusations, & hearsay, while Vegas had a legal document in their possession that they never bothered to read.

 

[BondraTime]

This CapFriendly had the info bit needs to die. How many people still don’t understand the difference is astounding.

Can we add a sticky explaining the difference between a clause put into a contract at the time of signing and a clause that was thought to be filed incorrectly and void?

 

[stator]

This is great, 2500 posts & it's still not sure what's going on.

At this point I'd say the blame falls:
60% on Ottawa - didn't send the entire contract, possibly misled Vegas on the trade call*
30% on Vegas - in the 8 months that he was there they didn't bother reviewing a multi million dollar contract & notice that an addendum was missing
10% on the NHL - don't have a procedure in place to have all NTC, NMC, etc sent to the league (sealed & only opened when that player is involved in a trade)

/*there is a theory floating around that on the OTT/VGK trade call that Ottawa said that Vegas didn't need to worry about the NTC 'because Vegas wasn't on the list' and not that there was no valid NTC. Technically correct but easily open to misinterpretation as we've all seen - but that doesn't absolve them from forwarding on that information with the rest of the contract

Los Angeles Times story said that Dadonov was asked to waive his NTC which he denied, but was traded anyway to the Ducks. That seems to rule out any Sens involvement, unless the Times corrected their story.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Los Angeles Times story said that Dadonov was asked to waive his NTC which he denied, but was traded anyway to the Ducks. That seems to rule out any Sens involvement, unless the Times corrected their story.

Would you happen to have a link?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Los Angeles Times story said that Dadonov was asked to waive his NTC which he denied, but was traded anyway to the Ducks. That seems to rule out any Sens involvement, unless the Times corrected their story.

Of, if that’s true, brutal on Vegas, Vegas seems to be getting a reputation on its handling of players.

 

[ViktorBaeArvidsson]

 

[Golden_Jet]

Would you happen to have a link?

NHL voids Knights-Ducks Evgenii Dadonov deal because of no-trade clause

The NHL has voided the Golden Knights’ trade of Evgenii Dadonov to the Ducks because Anaheim was on his no-trade list.

www.latimes.com

 

[stator]

This is not true. Just moving Dadonov is enough for them to activate Martinez, but not enough to activate Stone.

Getting LTIR contracts in Kessler and Moore made no difference in the amount of cap space available to them.

Kesler has a 6.875 mil cap hit. Acquiring him would increase Vegas' cap ceiling by 6.875 mil, but also increase the amount they were spending by 6.875 mil. There is no benefit to getting Kesler, and no penalty since they are already into LTIR. The only benefit they got from this trade was moving out Dadonov's 5 mil cap hit. They need just under 5 mil to activate Martinez.

Unless insurance is paying Kesler's salary, there is a penalty for Las Vegas in the form of lost profits, or increase expenses for an unproductive player. Even still if insurance is paying, the club is probably taking over the insurance premiums from Anaheim. Apparently, Las Vegas is a revenue rich team or the owners don't care about losses compared to other clubs.

This is why I believe the league needs to take action on LTIR abuse. Abusing LTIR for a competitive advantage starts to remove the purpose of the salary cap system, and returns back to where revenue rich teams can dominate.

 

[Fatass]

Unless insurance is paying Kesler's salary, there is a penalty for Las Vegas in the form of lost profits, or increase expenses for an unproductive player. Even still if insurance is paying, the club is probably taking over the insurance premiums from Anaheim. Apparently, Las Vegas is a revenue rich team or the owners don't care about losses compared to other clubs.

This is why I believe the league needs to take action on LTIR abuse. Abusing LTIR for a competitive advantage starts to remove the purpose of the salary cap system, and returns back to where revenue rich teams can dominate.

What will the Knights do when Martinez or Stone are cleared by doctors to play? They must activate them, when they are cleared, no?

 

[Smitty426]

This is not true. Just moving Dadonov is enough for them to activate Martinez, but not enough to activate Stone.

Getting LTIR contracts in Kessler and Moore made no difference in the amount of cap space available to them.

Kesler has a 6.875 mil cap hit. Acquiring him would increase Vegas' cap ceiling by 6.875 mil, but also increase the amount they were spending by 6.875 mil. There is no benefit to getting Kesler, and no penalty since they are already into LTIR. The only benefit they got from this trade was moving out Dadonov's 5 mil cap hit. They need just under 5 mil to activate Martinez.

NJs GM Fitz is on it! Send Dado here, we have plenty of needs Vegas can fill with picks/prospects!

 

[CupInSIX]

Los Angeles Times story said that Dadonov was asked to waive his NTC which he denied, but was traded anyway to the Ducks. That seems to rule out any Sens involvement, unless the Times corrected their story.

We can already assume he was asked to waive it when his agent brought up his NT should have prevented it, when the trade was voided & in dispute.

No other insider has suggested he was asked to waive it before the TDL, and it would go against what Lebrun, Friedman, Dreger etc were reporting the past few days.

 

[Mattb124]

We can already assume he was asked to waive it when his agent brought up his NT should have prevented it, when the trade was voided & in dispute.

No other insider has suggested he was asked to waive it before the TDL, and it would go against what Lebrun, Friedman, Dreger etc were reporting the past few days.

There was a tweet earlier in this thread indicating VGK had other trades as fallbacks if the Dadanov/ANA trade was voided. Seems odd they would go to that length unless they had a suspicion the original trade would be rejected.

 

[CupInSIX]

There was a tweet earlier in this thread indicating VGK had other trades as fallbacks if the Dadanov/ANA trade was voided. Seems odd they would go to that length unless they had a suspicion the original trade would be rejected.

When it was in dispute by his agent after the TDL - why wouldn't they?

 

[Larry Hanson]

This CapFriendly had the info bit needs to die. How many people still don’t understand the difference is astounding.

Can we add a sticky explaining the difference between a clause put into a contract at the time of signing and a clause that was thought to be filed incorrectly and void?

Also the "all they had to do was read the contract" that is posted on every page needs to die.

 

[Mattb124]

When it was in dispute by his agent after the TDL - why wouldn't they?

Before it was disputed - why would they?

 

[CupInSIX]

Before it was disputed - why would they?

Well show me the tweet, then.

I changed my mind based on Lebrun, Friedman & Strickland all painting the same picture - McCrimmon was naive and actually believed Dadonov lost his NT protection based on something Ottawa did during their trade call last summer.

 

[Rec T]

What will the Knights do when Martinez or Stone are cleared by doctors to play? They must activate them, when they are cleared, no?

Technically yes I believe ... but ...

"Mr. Stone, how are you feeling today?"
"Great Doc, except I'm still getting strong twinges in my back when I move my arms 'this' way (demonstrates a slapshot action with a big wince)"
"Hmmm, you should be feeling better by now. How about we give it another week & then check again"
"Yeah, sounds good. I'll keep doing assorted rehab things as I really want to get back on the ice... (but not until the regular season is over or there's cap room doncha know)"

I really can't see any doctor clearing someone who claims to still be bothered by this nebulous injury that can't be quantified/proved to be completely healed. He/she, the team, & the league really have to take his word that things are/aren't better. They may not believe him, but there's really no way to prove otherwise.

I'm NOT saying he would, but all it would take is for Stone to (after Vegas manages to get cap compliant for one game) take one shift & get lightly checked into the boards, whereupon he'd fall to the ice screaming about his back... and back to LTIR he goes with no questions except for questions about the doctors professional abilities (& potentially opening him up to a lawsuit for forcing a player to go back who 'isn't healthy'...). And again I'm NOT saying Stone would be slimy enough to pull such a thing, but it could happen in some alternate universe.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

The one most at fault is the league itself, for having a system that could allow this to happen in the first place.

The whole situation so mindnumblingly stupid and needlessly complicated for something so simple.

 

[Golden_Jet]

The one most at fault is the league itself, for having a system that could allow this to happen in the first place.

The whole situation so mindnumblingly stupid and needlessly complicated for something so simple.

Ya it’s ridiculous really,

 

[Silencio]

Dadonov firing the puck on his own net tonight:

 

[bbgobie]

Pretty hilarious that Capfriendly has the info yet the Knights supposedly didn't.

Even more hilarious that the Knights were unaware of the working agreement between them and their employee and are trying to pass the buck

As mentioned a simple phone call to his agent would have ended the trade process. It's my understanding that teams usually extend the courtesy of thanking and notifying a player of being relocated and when doing so would have known that they couldn't trade Dadonov to Anaheim. Perhaps they shouldn't leave their work to the last 10 minutes so they could have avoided this mess.

Hope whoever ends up helping Vegas get out of their mess bends them over a barrel. What a terrible way to treat Dadonov

Why don't you pull up the info and enlighten us on the other 9 teams on his list?

 

[bbgobie]

Why are the lists supposed to be sealed and in secret?

I've seen some posts here describing a process where Vegas wouldn't know which teams are on the list till they tried to file the trade at which point the NHL would unseal a document and approve/disapprove based on if that the team was on the list which makes no sense and surely doesn't happen otherwise trades would be nullified all the time.

Shouldn't a players contract, nmc, ntc etc be public and available to all teams? If some player has a clause that he will only stay in a hotel room with a pink parrot teams should be able to know before a trade is finalized?

Edit: found the reason a couple pages back.

Sounds like they just need an electronic portal with audit capabilities that most companies would have. Eg who viewed what record etc.

 

[mouser]

Does anyone know the page number in the CBA that talks about the trade deadline and players not being eligible in the regular season if they’re traded after the deadline? Can’t seem to find it anywhere

I don't see anything in the CBA explicitly stating it, or really anything that even hints at it.

Same, can’t find anything either way.

See below. Search for @mouser posts whenever there is CBA questions. As good as it gets on here

I posted a full copy of the rule with commentary in this thread:

Disputed trade between Golden Knights and Ducks -- UPD voided

Check out this Podcast: Marek & Friedman: Making Sense of the Dadonov Situation Marek & Friedman: Making Sense Of The Dadonov Situation The Jeff Marek Show podcast Currently no central depository of no trade lists; lists held by teams. Friedman thinks that will change after this situation...

hfboards.mandatory.com

 

[Golden_Jet]

I posted a full copy of the rule with commentary in this thread:

Disputed trade between Golden Knights and Ducks -- UPD voided

Check out this Podcast: Marek & Friedman: Making Sense of the Dadonov Situation Marek & Friedman: Making Sense Of The Dadonov Situation The Jeff Marek Show podcast Currently no central depository of no trade lists; lists held by teams. Friedman thinks that will change after this situation...

hfboards.mandatory.com

I didn’t see a link to the by-law, just the cut and paste, And couldn’t find the by-law with google, if you have it, can you post it, thanks.