Confirmed with Link: [ANA/PHI] Cutter Gauthier for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

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Verbeek better put together a f***ing stacked defense long term or I’m going to be pissed

Need to draft one now. I’m sorry but putting our hopes on Minty, Luneau, and Zell is a lot of hope and pray to me. I like them, but I want someone who has a higher projection

If the plan is to either take Celibrini or the best defenseman available, then this trade becomes slightly more palatable
Do you not feel that Minty projects well? I think he projects very well. His offense has fallen off because no one on the team is scoring so his feeds aren't resulting in as many assists. But I think he projects to be a very good top pair guy with high two way impact. Not saying we shouldn't replenish the D but I feel like this is a bit of a short thrift.

I just saw the news so this is me reacting with emotion, but damn it if this doesn't have the stench of losing Theodore all over again.

Someone had to go, sure, but damn it, Jamie?
All the Ducks got back for Theodore was cap space and escaping Stoner's contract. I don't see how this is comparable. Other than the simple similarity of a young defender being moved at a time where it's unclear who the best of a group of them will be.
 
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The way Drysdale has been more physical this year reminds me of when another undersized Ducks Dmen in Vatanen started playing more physical and ended up becoming very injury prone.
 
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Surprising yet unsurprising. With Verbeek’s value of size, especially on the blue line, there was always a question of how he’d value someone like Drysdale. Luneau coming in and doing a lot of things Drysdale can while being bigger couldn’t help.

I think it’s a pretty great move. I don’t think Drysdale is going to be that top guy and if he isn’t then he won’t be a profound loss. On the flip side Gauthier really does seem to be a missing piece up front and a type that wouldn’t be easy to find otherwise and was sorely needed. Time will tell, I suppose, but I think the negative thoughts on this one will dissipate maybe as soon as April when he arrives.
 

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Wait a minute Cutter is American ? At first I thought french canadian from Quebec but then saw he was born in Sweden but then that he played for Team USA.
So like Guy Herbert he is American with French surname :)

Surprising yet unsurprising. With Verbeek’s value of size, especially on the blue line, there was always a question of how he’d value someone like Drysdale. Luneau coming in and doing a lot of things Drysdale can while being bigger couldn’t help.

I think it’s a pretty great move. I don’t think Drysdale is going to be that top guy and if he isn’t then he won’t be a profound loss. On the flip side Gauthier really does seem to be a missing piece up front and a type that wouldn’t be easy to find otherwise and was sorely needed. Time will tell, I suppose, but I think the negative thoughts on this one will dissipate maybe as soon as April when he arrives.
From what they've said about Cutter (his speed, defense and strong around the boards and his big shot) its like a lesser version of Fantilli which is still a hell of a player at #5 overall.
Compare Gauthier to Lundell, Jarvis, Perfetti and Rossi who were forwards drafted after Drysdale.
 

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Verbeek better put together a f***ing stacked defense long term or I’m going to be pissed

Need to draft one now. I’m sorry but putting our hopes on Minty, Luneau, and Zell is a lot of hope and pray to me. I like them, but I want someone who has a higher projection

If the plan is to either take Celibrini or the best defenseman available, then this trade becomes slightly more palatable
I do like a few of the dmen in this draft
 

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Flyers fan coming in peace. Anyone have a full accounting of Drysdale’s injury history?

This Flyers fan has been high on Gauthier. He’s likely going to be a very good player. He already shoots the puck better than almost anyone in the NHL. He will score from distance regularly, and he shoots a lot. He isn’t always noticeable on the ice — he‘s not the kind of player who will carry the puck up ice noticeably, and he doesn’t ever hold the puck very long. But he makes plays with authority. The zip he puts on passes and shots hides his release in a way that creates confusion for goalies and defenders.

He was a bit of a contentious prospect on the Flyers forum because there are obvious flaws in his game. His vision isn’t outstanding and his bias to shoot sometimes can be frustrating. He’s not the type to control a game with possession, which made some fans doubtful of his future at center. But I never found that particularly concerning because you don’t get his strengths without those flaws. He wouldn’t be the first goal scorer to have those “flaws”.

My player comp was always Jeff Carter. Some fans found that comp too rosy. We were hoping that he would be a cornerstone piece of the offense, even if there were doubts that he could be such a player. He will be in a better situation in Anaheim because you don’t need that of him. His upside outcome is probably a 40g, 40a type of player, but a 30g, 30a type is probably the base case.

Overall, you all got good value. Players like Gauthier seem rarer than highly skilled puck movers these days.
 

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Flyers fan coming in peace. Anyone have a full accounting of Drysdale’s injury history?

This Flyers fan has been high on Gauthier. He’s likely going to be a very good player. He already shoots the puck better than almost anyone in the NHL. He will score from distance regularly, and he shoots a lot. He isn’t always noticeable on the ice — he‘s not the kind of player who will carry the puck up ice noticeably, and he doesn’t ever hold the puck very long. But he makes plays with authority. The zip he puts on passes and shots hides his release in a way that creates confusion for goalies and defenders.

He was a bit of a contentious prospect on the Flyers forum because there are obvious flaws in his game. His vision isn’t outstanding and his bias to shoot sometimes can be frustrating. He’s not the type to control a game with possession, which made some fans doubtful of his future at center. But I never found that particularly concerning because you don’t get his strengths without those flaws. He wouldn’t be the first goal scorer to have those “flaws”.

My player comp was always Jeff Carter. Some fans found that comp too rosy. We were hoping that he would be a cornerstone piece of the offense, even if there were doubts that he could be such a player. He will be in a better situation in Anaheim because you don’t need that of him. His upside outcome is probably a 40g, 40a type of player, but a 30g, 30a type is probably the base case.

Overall, you all got good value. Players like Gauthier seem rarer than highly skilled puck movers these days.
Well luckily in Anaheim he won’t need vision as we have zegras carlsson Mintyukov luneau terry and mctavish who all see the ice really well.

I think his injuries have been more unlucky than prone, he is a bit on small side but he’s built pretty solid… he is instantly the best skater on your roster…. His skating is simply beautiful. I think it’s a good pick up for Phill, and I think he has top pairing upside. I think both teams end up happy, I think Philly getting a 2nd prob ends up favoring Philly a bit in value…. But cutter is exactly what we needed
 
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Flyers fan coming in peace. Anyone have a full accounting of Drysdale’s injury history?

This Flyers fan has been high on Gauthier. He’s likely going to be a very good player. He already shoots the puck better than almost anyone in the NHL. He will score from distance regularly, and he shoots a lot. He isn’t always noticeable on the ice — he‘s not the kind of player who will carry the puck up ice noticeably, and he doesn’t ever hold the puck very long. But he makes plays with authority. The zip he puts on passes and shots hides his release in a way that creates confusion for goalies and defenders.

He was a bit of a contentious prospect on the Flyers forum because there are obvious flaws in his game. His vision isn’t outstanding and his bias to shoot sometimes can be frustrating. He’s not the type to control a game with possession, which made some fans doubtful of his future at center. But I never found that particularly concerning because you don’t get his strengths without those flaws. He wouldn’t be the first goal scorer to have those “flaws”.

My player comp was always Jeff Carter. Some fans found that comp too rosy. We were hoping that he would be a cornerstone piece of the offense, even if there were doubts that he could be such a player. He will be in a better situation in Anaheim because you don’t need that of him. His upside outcome is probably a 40g, 40a type of player, but a 30g, 30a type is probably the base case.

Overall, you all got good value. Players like Gauthier seem rarer than highly skilled puck movers these days.
drysdale missed significant time last year, significant time this year. it stunted his growth for 2 years.

Most of these injuries are mysteries. They never report why he is out for so long with lower body injuries
 
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Flyers fan coming in peace. Anyone have a full accounting of Drysdale’s injury history?

This Flyers fan has been high on Gauthier. He’s likely going to be a very good player. He already shoots the puck better than almost anyone in the NHL. He will score from distance regularly, and he shoots a lot. He isn’t always noticeable on the ice — he‘s not the kind of player who will carry the puck up ice noticeably, and he doesn’t ever hold the puck very long. But he makes plays with authority. The zip he puts on passes and shots hides his release in a way that creates confusion for goalies and defenders.

He was a bit of a contentious prospect on the Flyers forum because there are obvious flaws in his game. His vision isn’t outstanding and his bias to shoot sometimes can be frustrating. He’s not the type to control a game with possession, which made some fans doubtful of his future at center. But I never found that particularly concerning because you don’t get his strengths without those flaws. He wouldn’t be the first goal scorer to have those “flaws”.

My player comp was always Jeff Carter. Some fans found that comp too rosy. We were hoping that he would be a cornerstone piece of the offense, even if there were doubts that he could be such a player. He will be in a better situation in Anaheim because you don’t need that of him. His upside outcome is probably a 40g, 40a type of player, but a 30g, 30a type is probably the base case.

Overall, you all got good value. Players like Gauthier seem rarer than highly skilled puck movers these days.
Appreciate the feedback. Feels like wading through a bunch of doomposts to find someone attempting some objectivity. He's been pretty consistently rated as a top 20 prospect in the league in the preseason with that position elevated by guys who are now full time NHLers. Has to be some positives.
 

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drysdale missed significant time last year, significant time this year. it stunted his growth for 2 years.

Most of these injuries are mysteries. They never report why he is out for so long with lower body injuries
last year was a shoulder injury
 

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idk, this situation seems way more toxic than what happened with those players. Especially the way the Flyers organization are acting like bitter ex-girlfriends
Cutter had told the flyers since summer he didn’t want to play with them. That’s plenty of notification time
 
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Appreciate the feedback. Feels like wading through a bunch of doomposts to find someone attempting some objectivity. He's been pretty consistently rated as a top 20 prospect in the league in the preseason with that position elevated by guys who are now full time NHLers. Has to be some positives.
Yeah, the Flyers forum can only be read through a lens of extreme cynicism. Fans are rightfully battered by years of terrible and direction-less management, but it heavily clouds their ability to evaluate anything without maximal skepticism, including Gauthier.

High volume shooters like Carter, Ovechkin, etc. all have “flaws” that you could critique to death, but at the end of the day, this type of player wouldn’t be special without those flaws. You’d rather Gauthier rely on his shot. It’s elite. Everyone wants “flawless” players, but that doesn’t actually mean anything. You want players with elite skills, and Gauthier very much qualifies.
 
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Do you not feel that Minty projects well? I think he projects very well. His offense has fallen off because no one on the team is scoring so his feeds aren't resulting in as many assists. But I think he projects to be a very good top pair guy with high two way impact. Not saying we shouldn't replenish the D but I feel like this is a bit of a short thrift.


All the Ducks got back for Theodore was cap space and escaping Stoner's contract. I don't see how this is comparable. Other than the simple similarity of a young defender being moved at a time where it's unclear who the best of a group of them will be.
I'm high on Minty but I want someone who is a slam dunk high end #1D. I don't consider Minty that, but i think it's possible Dickinson/Levushanov are
 

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Pretty shocked, like most people are. If it all pans out how we hope, then it's probably a good move. However, I always get nervous putting our marbles in on someone that's never played an NHL game.

As far as Dry... wish him the best. I think he's gonna be a great player (as long as he stays healthy).
 

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Flyers fan coming in peace. Anyone have a full accounting of Drysdale’s injury history?

This Flyers fan has been high on Gauthier. He’s likely going to be a very good player. He already shoots the puck better than almost anyone in the NHL. He will score from distance regularly, and he shoots a lot. He isn’t always noticeable on the ice — he‘s not the kind of player who will carry the puck up ice noticeably, and he doesn’t ever hold the puck very long. But he makes plays with authority. The zip he puts on passes and shots hides his release in a way that creates confusion for goalies and defenders.

He was a bit of a contentious prospect on the Flyers forum because there are obvious flaws in his game. His vision isn’t outstanding and his bias to shoot sometimes can be frustrating. He’s not the type to control a game with possession, which made some fans doubtful of his future at center. But I never found that particularly concerning because you don’t get his strengths without those flaws. He wouldn’t be the first goal scorer to have those “flaws”.

My player comp was always Jeff Carter. Some fans found that comp too rosy. We were hoping that he would be a cornerstone piece of the offense, even if there were doubts that he could be such a player. He will be in a better situation in Anaheim because you don’t need that of him. His upside outcome is probably a 40g, 40a type of player, but a 30g, 30a type is probably the base case.

Overall, you all got good value. Players like Gauthier seem rarer than highly skilled puck movers these days.
Thanks for this input. Nice to have some clarity from a reasonable Flyers fan (three words that aren't often used together). Based on your description, I think Cutter fills a glaring need in Anaheim. This team needs someone with a shoot-first mentality, particularly on the PP. We spend so much time passing and reversing the puck on the power play that the Honda Center crowd starts to yell "shoooooot!" We also overuse drop passes without those passes resulting in shots frequently enough. If Cutter is the shooter you describe, there's reason for great excitement here.

I'm pleased with this trade but Drysdale will be missed. Yes, he's been injured A LOT, to the point that he's been a forgotten player at times. But his recent play has been pretty strong and he seems to be more comfortable getting involved in the offense. He'll help Philly, no doubt. I wish him the best of luck.
 
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After sleeping on it, I think that Drysdale must have weakness/medical issues (Yes, I’m aware they’re disclosed in trades). Otherwise I cannot understand why people are thrilled that we traded a guy who pundits refer to as a2D for a guy everyone describes as “top 6”, AND added what’s potentially going to be a fairly high 2nd.

I hate the fact that it removes any chance of this season not being crap.

I also have concerns about actual depth with the complete lack of knowledge as to what’s going on with Luneau.

Gauthier is a great add, don’t get me wrong. I just think we paid a premium. It feels like he had buyer’s remorse over Debrincat and said “not again”. Seems like rookie GM maybe made another mistake after missing on Debrincat and Neiderreiter.
 

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I'm high on Minty but I want someone who is a slam dunk high end #1D. I don't consider Minty that, but i think it's possible Dickinson/Levushanov are
To be fair I don’t think drysdale checked that box either he was more or less a potential better fowler.

Mintyukov is going to be a 60 point top pairing dmen, but you def need a 2nd top guy. I think Mintyukov is in the same tier as Dickinson and levy

Getting another top guy to either play with Mintyukov or run his own pairing is ideal.
 

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I'm high on Minty but I want someone who is a slam dunk high end #1D. I don't consider Minty that, but i think it's possible Dickinson/Levushanov are

This is only Minty at age 20 in his first taste of pro hockey and he's pretty damn impressive. I'm not ready to cap his ceiling below high end #1 D just yet, there's still a possibility he gets there by age 23.

I'll gladly take another potential stud #1 Dman either way
 

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After sleeping on it, I think that Drysdale must have weakness/medical issues (Yes, I’m aware they’re disclosed in trades). Otherwise I cannot understand why people are thrilled that we traded a guy who pundits refer to as a2D for a guy everyone describes as “top 6”, AND added what’s potentially going to be a fairly high 2nd.

I hate the fact that it removes any chance of this season not being crap.

I also have concerns about actual depth with the complete lack of knowledge as to what’s going on with Luneau.

Gauthier is a great add, don’t get me wrong. I just think we paid a premium. It feels like he had buyer’s remorse over Debrincat and said “not again”. Seems like rookie GM maybe made another mistake after missing on Debrincat and Neiderreiter.
Who is "everyone"? Our GM described him that way, but probably only because he doesn't want to heap expectations on the kid before he's even with the team. All of the predictions I've seen from unbiased evaluators think top line wing. Or a elite second line wing. Both of whom are more valuable to the Ducks than another small 2D.

Drysdale is very good. The Ducks need Gauthier more. I have not seen a take outside of Ducks message boards that think Verbeek made a mistake.
 

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