anezthes
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100%.
Massive difference between low and really high IQ. For the cost of Drysdale and a 2nd... I don't know. Obviously, I hope the reports are incorrect. We desperately need capable forwards.
Confirmed with Link: [ANA/PHI] Cutter Gauthier for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick
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Massive difference between low and really high IQ. For the cost of Drysdale and a 2nd... I don't know. Obviously, I hope the reports are incorrect. We desperately need capable forwards.
The reports that all describe Gauthier as the best player in this deal and a top 20 NHL prospect?
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The problem generally revolves around every fan base perception of “their guy”.
In most trade scenarios that get thrown out “our guy” is worth a couple HOFers and a 1st and “your guy” is worth a couple broken down vets and a 2030 pick.
In my view Gauthier fills a bigger need for the Ducks than Drysdale and is a risk worth taking.
John
In most trade scenarios that get thrown out “our guy” is worth a couple HOFers and a 1st and “your guy” is worth a couple broken down vets and a 2030 pick.
In my view Gauthier fills a bigger need for the Ducks than Drysdale and is a risk worth taking.
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Craig Button's scouting report from June 2022:
www.tsn.ca
"Best goal scorer in the draft. One-shot-and-it's-in capability. Can score in multiple ways. Quick to recognize opportunities and take advantage."
Projection: No. 1 Scoring Winger
Comparable: Max Pacioretty
Cutter Gauthier - Left Wing - TSN.ca
www.tsn.ca
"Best goal scorer in the draft. One-shot-and-it's-in capability. Can score in multiple ways. Quick to recognize opportunities and take advantage."
Projection: No. 1 Scoring Winger
Comparable: Max Pacioretty
| Skating | Hockey Sense | Competitiveness | Scoring Touch | Shot |
| 4/5 | 4.5/5 | 4.5/5 | 4.5/5 | 5/5 |
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I mean the way I see it, as long as the kid can have enough hockey IQ and game sense to get feeds from Carlsson, Zegras, or McTavish in good shooting position, he can thrive. Zegras, Leo, Mac, and Terry are all decent shooters but none can be rightfully identified as triggermen. A young guy like that on the wing is exactly what the Ducks are lacking. Vatrano's been good in that role but who knows how consistent he can be?
Anyway I feel like I should return the favor. In my view Drysdale does come with the question marks regarding his health and size. I don't think this necessarily has to be something that dooms him if he builds more bulk and learns to get to the right areas more consistently. I think the biggest asset he has is obviously his skating and it contributes the most to transition play and general game flow. When Drysdale is on the ice, the puck just moves around better for his team. He doesn't have the heaviest or most accurate shot and a lot of his offense might just come from assists unless he somehow adds a lot of shot strength. I think he'll be a good puck distributor in powerplay and 5 on 5 situations. What Philly for sure needs to work on with him is his defensive positioning and awareness. While he's not a total defensive black hole, he's not someone I'd have wanted the Ducks to put out there on a PK or defending a one goal lead late in a game. To be a more well rounded player, the Flyers are gonna have to work with him to improve his ability to get in proper position in the defensive zone to cut off lanes with body and stick position. If he can do that, he has the skating and passing acumen to be really effective at contributing to defensive zone exits.
I think at worst, assuming he stays healthy, you're looking at a second pair Cam Fowler-esque #4 defenseman who contributes well to puck movement and transition play. At best I see a good 50-60 point PP QB as a high end #2, low end #1 guy. Some around here feel his absolute ceiling is an elite defenseman but I personally don't see enough offensive dynamism or elite two way play needed for him to get there, but if he can stay healthy, this is still a great get for Philly.
Happy with this trade.
After years of having a surplus of Young D-Men and an inability to leverage that strength to acquire blue-chip level forwards, I think we finally did.
While many (myself included) figured Olen would be the odd man out, I prefer giving up Drysdale if it means getting a potentially elite talent back. I think moving Olen would have resulted in a another lost defensemen with little to show for it.
After years of having a surplus of Young D-Men and an inability to leverage that strength to acquire blue-chip level forwards, I think we finally did.
While many (myself included) figured Olen would be the odd man out, I prefer giving up Drysdale if it means getting a potentially elite talent back. I think moving Olen would have resulted in a another lost defensemen with little to show for it.
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Was looking forward to seeing Drysdale turn into that #2 guy I still think he'll become... but the injuries and shyness towards contact worry me a bit.
Cutter is the exact type of wing prospect the Ducks need, can only have so many puck carrying playmaking forwards.
Cutter is the exact type of wing prospect the Ducks need, can only have so many puck carrying playmaking forwards.
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Concur with this. I don't think any one of us is ready to dub the kid "GOAT-ier" just yet, but it's a real credit to Verbeek that he made a bold move from a position of surplus to acquire elite talent in a position of great need. This is the Pat Verbeek we were promised.
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Cam will not get you that return.
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Philly fans have had an opportunity to sleep on it so I'm sure they've calmed down by now.
*checks trade board thread and sees post about throwing batteries at the kid*
Nope, they haven't calmed down at all.
I can't judge. I'm still sad about losing Drysdale and still confused why we added the 2nd but I'm coming around to it. If it pans out Verbeek will look good. If it doesn't pan out then I hope Verbeek is gone.
*checks trade board thread and sees post about throwing batteries at the kid*
Nope, they haven't calmed down at all.
I can't judge. I'm still sad about losing Drysdale and still confused why we added the 2nd but I'm coming around to it. If it pans out Verbeek will look good. If it doesn't pan out then I hope Verbeek is gone.
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The irony with the Flyers forum reaction here is that the loudest critics of the trade were also the loudest critics of Gauthier, so that should be an indication of how much their takes rely on internal consistency
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100% I was laughed at when I mentioned drysdale being the one who will be traded eventually , given our Gm has said “ smaller dmen because of the new rule changes can’t hook anymore and it’s to difficult for them” there was never a future where fowler zell and Jamie all coexisted. I also feel that cam will be asked to waive this summer and he might oblige. We have so much money to spend. Verbeek will sign verbeek guys and this kid we got back in this trade is a verbeek guy.
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duckaroosky
So sayeth Duckthulu
It should be a grad student's thesis in psychology.The irony with the Flyers forum reaction here is that the loudest critics of the trade were also the loudest critics of Gauthier, so that should be an indication of how much their takes rely on internal consistency
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I'm with those that are critiquing the value. Why pay a premium when Philly had no leverage?
Proven top 4 right shot defensemen are more of a premium than unproven, highly touted offensive forward prospects. But let's throw in a high 2nd rounder to seal the deal.
What's more, Verbeek better be absolutely certain that Luneau, Warren, Zell, etc. pan out. We've all debated on the odds of that happening and I certainly don't like them.
This also unbalances the defense moving forward. Verbeek and Cronin have shown/said they like LHD/RHD pairings. So now Luneau is projected to be our #1 RHD and yet his health is a concern. After that, what? Warren? Good thing he's been durable. So we draft one this year? Neat, can't wait to hear "trust the process" for another few years until we see if that player pans out.
To me, this trade brings a lot more uncertainty and it'll take even more time until we find out the answers. Buckle up, we're in for an even longer and bumpier ride in this rebuild.
Proven top 4 right shot defensemen are more of a premium than unproven, highly touted offensive forward prospects. But let's throw in a high 2nd rounder to seal the deal.
What's more, Verbeek better be absolutely certain that Luneau, Warren, Zell, etc. pan out. We've all debated on the odds of that happening and I certainly don't like them.
This also unbalances the defense moving forward. Verbeek and Cronin have shown/said they like LHD/RHD pairings. So now Luneau is projected to be our #1 RHD and yet his health is a concern. After that, what? Warren? Good thing he's been durable. So we draft one this year? Neat, can't wait to hear "trust the process" for another few years until we see if that player pans out.
To me, this trade brings a lot more uncertainty and it'll take even more time until we find out the answers. Buckle up, we're in for an even longer and bumpier ride in this rebuild.
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I'm seeing a lot of people shit on Cutter for this on social media, but those games may have been worth a hundred thousand dollars plus to him, and instantly nickel and diming your top prospect is a pretty bad look.
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No leverage would be if there was only one place he would accept a trade to. Or if he was on the verge of going UFA.
Philly had 2 and a half years of player control. Lets not act like he went UFA in 6 months. They had plenty of leverage, and believe it or not, GMs generally dont want to f*** each other over. The Ducks payed the price that it required. Remember, there were 20 teams Gauthier said he would sign with. It isnt like Anaheim was his only spot.
Gauthier is exactly the style of player the forward group is missing, he was available, and Philly had their price.
Luneau doesn't have health concerns. I feel like people are way too quick to say players have health concerns. Health concerns are chronic soft tissue injuries like hamstrings, or back issues, or concussion issues. A torn ACL is not a concern in 2024. Especially at the age of 18. An infection is not a chronic issue. Its a freak accident. As long as he recovers there wont be any lasting issues.
And, to me this says that the Ducks think Gauthier + the guys likely available at the 2024 1st > Drysdale + the guys available at the 2024 1st. Which screams "We think the defensemen likely available to us are way more of an impact then the forwards available to us".
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And he's on the same team as Z, who a not-so-small segment of outsiders seem to view as a douchebag. Gotta say, kinda fun to be building a team that annoys opposing fans on a personal level again.
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