Confirmed with Link: [ANA/NYR] Jacob Trouba for Urho Vaakanainen and 2025 4th round pick

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Our underlining metrics are putrid we just have goalies capable of stealing wins, we're still among the worst offensive and possession teams in the league so I don't really see where this 'improvement' is coming from. I guess he can't just come out and say we're dogshit blow it up as Verbeek is the architect of this dumpster fire. Probably also why he won't fire Cronin.
 

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I think there is a disconnect between what most of the fanbase wants to see and what Verbeek does.
I’m cool with trouba, don’t even mind the trade…. But I think he meshes better with the young core.


It sucks gudas has turned to ass but I’d be fine icing something like

Mintyukov trouba
Lacombe gudas
Zellweger luneau helleson
-Rotating players in and out

My big problem is the rotation never includes the older vets…. And they are the ones that prob need it more.
 
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2 of the physical stay at home RHD is 1 too many.
I’d prob agree if we had stay at home lhd in the line up next year but we don’t really…. It’s all puck moving lhd

2 stay at home guys to play with 4 puck movers is fine.

This year we have dumo right now but i assume he’s gone.
 
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I’ll reserve judgement until I see how trouba looks.

Maybe he plays really well with zell lacombe or Mintyukov and helps bring out their best…

I’d consider that a win if our young dmen are comfortable with him on their pairing.

I don’t give a shit about a 4th round pick really… and the cap hit is kinda irrelevant right now.

Vaaks was never going to get a real shot here, and needed to send a roster spot…. He was always the excess lhd
I agree that’s all the hope.

It does make it look bad that everything has to work out perfectly for the trade to simply be even.
 

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I don't even know what to think of this trade yet lol. Murray once moved a 4th for Des and it worked out well with them getting a 3rd for Des. With Trouba maybe they get a 2nd for him next season ?
 

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Gotta believe it's more about his wife about to start her career as a doctor and choosing a location based solely on that.
I posted this several weeks ago. Lots of opportunities in Socal to continue her career and Ducks owners have many contacts.
Ive liked Helleson but he probably goes down for a bit. Fowler likely doesnt make it past the trade deadline. Depending on how Trouba does, Dumo could be out too.

Short term minor inconveniences while they hammer out some roster decisions.

Dumo has to be traded. I know there's love for him by many, but to me his play is very uneven. Either very good or very bad. But he's a pending UFA, older than Trouba, and the ducks should move him. Saw another post that he prefers east coast, so he's not re-signing in any event.

Calling this a bad trade for Anaheim is pretty insane. The cap hit essentially doesn't matter given how much space the Ducks have, so it comes down to a meh pick and depth d-man for a proven veteran who knows what it's like to play some tough, heavy minutes. Trouba may not be in his prime but I would be shocked if he doesn't fit in with the Ducks. There is no reason at all to have a problem with this trade, Ducks fans should be happy.

The real money is considerably lower than his cap hit. My initial reaction was that the ducks should have received more for taking on the cap, but: (i) it appears other teams were interested and the ducks; and (ii) dumping Vaak and his contract is actually a positive for the ducks given their logjam. The pick is irrelevant. So getting Trouba on waivers maybe is < dumping vaak and a meaningless pick to ensure you get Trouba.

Vaak showed flashes, but he was always injured and was not a longer term option given the pipeline. Hopefully he stays healthy and finds a role in NY.

Dumoulin has been our steadiest defensive defenseman IMO. Sitting him for the kids, or ANY of the veterans, would be beyond stupid IMO.

I would also prefer Dumoulin going forward in my (extremely limited) viewing of Rangers Trouba this year.

Edit - perhaps Verbeek already has been told Dumoulin isn’t coming back next year?

See above. He has to be traded this year along with Fowler.

And there's a decent chance Trouba get's dealt at the TDL next year.

On the whole, I'm fine with this trade as long as the ducks trade Fowler and Dumo as soon as possible.
 

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You just lost me, Pat. This answer is so entirely disqualifying that I almost shot coffee out of my nose.

How can you be "really happy with how things are going" when your team is dead last in the division and third-worst in the conference?!

This tough love routine of blaming youth for poor performance is tired and unfair. Your coach stinks. You stink. Your veterans stink. If you're "really happy," the Samuelis need to seriously re-evaluate your worthiness to stay in that role.

He’s a ‘rookie’ GM that is in way over his head.

Just look at who his hiring staff is. Completely out of their depth.
 
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I don’t know that we have improved “a ton”. I think we had an easy schedule, and the goalies played extremely well.

His coaching system has gone directly back to where he started the season as well. We had 20 points in 26 games last year, we have 23 in 25 this year.
I think the improvement is mostly illusion but if you’re a guy who wants your past decisions to have been good ones, there are improvements you could hang your hat on.
 

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Gotta be honest, I want to see if he can break Pronger’s record for games suspended with the Ducks.
I think now teams will be scared of going after Carlsson (when he returns) because unlike Gudas, Trouba will go hunting and get suspended. I can't think when the last time a Duck even got suspended ?
Last time I remember it might have been Perry idk.
 

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I don’t know that we have improved “a ton”. I think we had an easy schedule, and the goalies played extremely well.

His coaching system has gone directly back to where he started the season as well. We had 20 points in 26 games last year, we have 23 in 25 this year.

Aside from great goaltending and being a far more disciplined team, we are essentially the same team as last year. The goaltending and fewer TSH has made the team look like a great defense with respect to total GA. Currently, we are the 10th best GA team with 76 goals allowed. Our CF% (or SAT%) at 5v5 has the team ranked 31st with a 45.32% CF Percentage. The opposite extreme rankings is made true by great goaltending and fewest TSH events.

Fewer TSH is a significant boon b/c our PK was a sieve to start the season. We have allowed 17 PP Goals Against, which ranks as 10th most. Our TSH rank is 6th least with 69 TSH events. The PK eff is at 75.36%, which is 24th best in the league - which isn't great. The team reduces a significant amount of GA the fewer TSH events there are. I will give credit to Cronin and Verbeek. Verbeek b/c he was probably the one who brought in NHL refs during the off-season, iirc.

Our record has us teetering around .500 throughout the season. But if we factor in the soft schedule (which I'm glad I have been sharing on here), then it doesn't look all that promising.

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If Verbeek doesn't do deep diving into analytics, there are a lot of basic stats that give the illusion the Ducks have improved a ton.
 

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Have a feeling that Trouba and zellwegger( given he’s a tiny man) might make the most sense. I’ve been watching Trouba highlights tonight on YouTube, he seems to really target the best players on the opposing teams. Love that!
 

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Here’s what Rangers fans were saying about Trouba a year ago.

Nov 26, 2023
“Trouba has been a force this year. He's been on another level.”

Nov 26, 2023
“Trouba gets little credit for how this team plays and for adding much needed grit. For a long time players could skate across our blueline with their eyes closed, cut in front of our goalie without even thinking. He's changed that, he's a modern day Stevens without the head shot hits.”

Nov 26, 2023
“Trouba is a beast. Yes he gets a fat paycheck. IMO he's lived up to it. Fox out and the guy has stepped up big time. What would a prime Chris Pronger fetch in 2023?”

Nov 26, 2023
“I think this years trouba shows just how badly he was hurt last year and how much it affected his play even when he kept trying to play through the injury. He's been great this year”

Nov 30, 2023
“Trouba has been lights out so far this year. He is definitely earning his paycheck..even if a bit overpaid.”

Nov 30, 2023
“The organization hasnt had a guy leading them with this kind of toughness and grit in a long time.”

Nov 30, 2023
“Love the guy and he walks the walk like a true leader always does. Great for our young guys to see.”

Nov 30, 2023
“I think Trouba has been a solid middle pairing guy. He’s worth 6m/year. We pay him 2m for leadership. The team is winning. He hasn’t been making egregious mistakes. Happy with the captain right now.”

Dec 12, 2023
“Love this guy. He isn’t just a leader. He makes the game entertaining and gets fans into the game with huge hits and clutch plays. Can’t overstate the importance of that.”

In March, he broke his ankle and played poorly when he returned.

June 2, 2024
“The Trouba that came back from injury looked nothing like the Trouba of the first 3 months of the season.”

June 3, 2024
“Before making any contract move Id like to know what happened this season. His first 3 months were dramatically different than his play after injury.”

June 3, 2024
“My thoughts on Trouba is that he has to be injured. He either re-broke his foot, or sprained his ankle.”

One day later, on June 4, 2024, it was reported that the injury Trouba sustained earlier in the season was a broken ankle, a “kidney bean sized chunk” came out of his ankle.

“It wasn’t weight-bearing so he could walk but skating with tight turns didn’t feel good,” NHL.com’s Dan Rosen wrote via X. “He was limited at times by it, but he emphasized that it is not an excuse for anything.”

Rangers fans soured on Trouba and it was evident the media had gotten to him. Take a look at his tweet on June 5, 2024:

In the summer, the Rangers tried to trade him and he invoked his NTC. Trouba said he felt he was “put in a position this summer to make a decision between my career and my family” and he said it “may have made it difficult to play kind of with that hanging over everything.”

Mollie Walker with the NY Post agreed: “Trouba’s on-ice performance to start this season appeared to be influenced by the offseason. It was most likely subconscious, but Trouba did not seem to have the same commitment to the team he clearly felt spurned by this summer.”

Trouba is only 30 years old — he may be the perfect buy low candidate.
 
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robbieboy3686

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Here’s what Rangers fans were saying about Trouba a year ago.

Nov 26, 2023
“Trouba has been a force this year. He's been on another level.”

Nov 26, 2023
“Trouba gets little credit for how this team plays and for adding much needed grit. For a long time players could skate across our blueline with their eyes closed, cut in front of our goalie without even thinking. He's changed that, he's a modern day Stevens without the head shot hits.”

Nov 26, 2023
“Trouba is a beast. Yes he gets a fat paycheck. IMO he's lived up to it. Fox out and the guy has stepped up big time. What would a prime Chris Pronger fetch in 2023?”

Nov 26, 2023
“I think this years trouba shows just how badly he was hurt last year and how much it affected his play even when he kept trying to play through the injury. He's been great this year”

Nov 30, 2023
“Trouba has been lights out so far this year. He is definitely earning his paycheck..even if a bit overpaid.”

Nov 30, 2023
“The organization hasnt had a guy leading them with this kind of toughness and grit in a long time.”

Nov 30, 2023
“Love the guy and he walks the walk like a true leader always does. Great for our young guys to see.”

Nov 30, 2023
“I think Trouba has been a solid middle pairing guy. He’s worth 6m/year. We pay him 2m for leadership. The team is winning. He hasn’t been making egregious mistakes. Happy with the captain right now.”

Dec 12, 2023
“Love this guy. He isn’t just a leader. He makes the game entertaining and gets fans into the game with huge hits and clutch plays. Can’t overstate the importance of that.”

In March, he broke his ankle and played poorly when he returned.

June 2, 2024
“The Trouba that came back from injury looked nothing like the Trouba of the first 3 months of the season.”

June 3, 2024
“Before making any contract move Id like to know what happened this season. His first 3 months were dramatically different than his play after injury.”

June 3, 2024
“My thoughts on Trouba is that he has to be injured. He either re-broke his foot, or sprained his ankle.”

One day later, on June 4, 2024, it was reported that the injury Trouba sustained earlier in the season was a broken ankle, a “kidney bean sized chunk” came out of his ankle.

“It wasn’t weight-bearing so he could walk but skating with tight turns didn’t feel good,” NHL.com’s Dan Rosen wrote via X. “He was limited at times by it, but he emphasized that it is not an excuse for anything.”

Rangers fans soured on Trouba and it was evident the media had gotten to him. Take a look at his tweet on June 5, 2024:

In the summer, the Rangers tried to trade him and he invoked his NTC. Trouba said he felt he was “put in a position this summer to make a decision between my career and my family” and he said it “may have made it difficult to play kind of with that hanging over everything.”

Mollie Walker with the NY Post agreed: “Trouba’s on-ice performance to start this season appeared to be influenced by the offseason. It was most likely subconscious, but Trouba did not seem to have the same commitment to the team he clearly felt spurned by this summer.”

Trouba is only 30 years old — he may be the perfect buy low candidate.

Great post, Ty! Totally agree that he’s the ideal buy low candidate . Hope his ankle has been allowed to fully recover.
 

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Great post, Ty! Totally agree that he’s the ideal buy low candidate . Hope his ankle has been allowed to fully recover.

Trouba wasn't a buy low candidate. We overpaid for his services as we took on his full salary for the next year and 3/4th of a season. Verbeek likes overpaying. Verbeek added a 2nd with Drysdale to get Cutter. Verbeek wasted a 2024 fifth round pick on Meyers who became a FA and left the org. We could have used that on a draft-n-stash RD project in Soini in the draft. With the Trouba trade, we added a 4th round pick to Vaak.

With that said, I do hope he fully recovers mentally and physically with us. Gudas isn't playing well this season and we need a vet RD that can actually play.
 
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Every opinion they have is based on 5 on 5 possession stats or projected GF and GA.
Sicard and co. really solidified my opinion of analytics as useful tools that are too often championed by annoying tools.
It's not even difficult to use fancy stats to help you evaluate special teams, if fancy stats are your thing! But instead it's like they think the line between being smart and data-driven or a dinosaur is whether you're willing to accept 5v5 xGF% into your life as your statistical lord and savior.
 

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