Proposal: ANA / MTL at the draft

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I don't care about duration, they're not "heavy" rumours for the Montreal market. They're not all that long either.

Frame it however you want, Montreal has asked on zegras a few times. There is def interest there.

 

[Mersss]

Frame it however you want, Montreal has asked on zegras a few times. There is def interest there.

There is, but we ain't trading a top10 pick nor a top D prospect like Reinbacher for him.

26OA + something? Sure. Zegras ain't worth Reinbacher

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

There is, but we ain't trading a top10 pick nor a top D prospect like Reinbacher for him.

26OA + something? Sure. Zegras ain't worth Reinbacher

and 26 + aint worth zegras


Hes easily worth reinbacher.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Frame it however you want, Montreal has asked on zegras a few times. There is def interest there.

For sure, it would just be a mistake to think the level of interest is "heavy" or pretend to have any idea of how serious the interest is.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

For sure, it would just be a mistake to think the level of interest is "heavy" or pretend to have any idea of how serious the interest is.

Just like its a mistake to assume PV has interest in moving him cheap just because hes listened to offers from montreal.

soemtimes its just curiosity, checking options

 

[DavidBL]

...this is not even close to "unending interest" from a Montreal POV.

It's about as accurate as the Ducks shopping Z. Mtl is the only team consistently linked to Z. GMPV has stated he's not trying to move Z.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Just like its a mistake to assume PV has interest in moving him cheap just because hes listened to offers from montreal.

soemtimes its just curiosity, checking options

Which is exactly what Montreal is doing by checking in.

Montreal calls on everybody and bigger names generate more articles. Zegras isn't even the name most mentioned as a trade possibility. But it sounds like from insiders and people in the know is that Montreal's mostly nibbling and a trade they may make will look more like the Dach (young player trade from position of strength to address weakness) or the Newhook deal.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Which is exactly what Montreal is doing by checking in.

Montreal calls on everybody and bigger names generate more articles. Zegras isn't even the name most mentioned as a trade possibility. But it sounds like from insiders and people in the know is that Montreal's mostly nibbling and a trade they may make will look more like the Dach (young player trade from position of strength to address weakness) or the Newhook deal.

Which zegras isnt that type of player you are buying on, so itll be significantly more expensive than Dach/Newhook as zegras is much better than either at time of trade and now.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Which zegras isnt that type of player you are buying on, so itll be significantly more expensive than Dach/Newhook as zegras is much better than either at time of trade and now.

I'd disagree on the implied view of Zegras as I've never been a huge fan, but its pretty obvious Montreal wouldn't pay the price Anahiem would set.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I'd disagree on the implied view of Zegras as I've never been a huge fan, but its pretty obvious Montreal wouldn't pay the price Anahiem would set.

We dont know that... all we know is montreal didnt want to pay Guhle/Reinbacher + but we have 0 clue what the + was.

 

[NWWisconsinDuck]

Great. Another thread where Habs fans can say Zegras is overrated and shouldn’t garner more than a Tim Hortons gift card and a 7th

 

[Mersss]

and 26 + aint worth zegras


Hes easily worth reinbacher.

How?
Reinbacher was a top5 pick in a better draft than this year... Safe to say he'd be the 1st or 2nd dman dtafted this year after Levshunov

Zegras aint worth that

 

[Faceboner]

What about zegras for 11 and rosen?

 

[danisonfire]

Great. Another thread where Habs fans can say Zegras is overrated and shouldn’t garner more than a Tim Hortons gift card and a 7th

If people stopped fixating on what the fools write, we wouldn't be here. It just gives them the attention they are missing.

 

[A Loyal DEMIGOD]

I would be open to trade the following for Zegras:

- 26th OV
- 1 of Mailloux/Matheson (I know he's not really a need for ANA, considering his age, but he can be flipped and is easily worth a mid-1st)
- Dvorak (UFA in 2025)
- 1 of Mesar/Tuch/Farrell

I know it's mostly a quality for quantity trade, but ANA could either take Mailloux or take Matheson and flip him + 26th for maybe Devils 10th OV? And they get a good prospect in 1 of Mesar/Tuch/Farrell, and a warm body in Dvorak.

 

[Captain Mountain]

We dont know that... all we know is montreal didnt want to pay Guhle/Reinbacher + but we have 0 clue what the + was.

I don't know what you mean by "we know", but it was reported that Montreal didn't want to pay Guhle/Reinbacher.

 

[Carlssonsznnn]

Safe to say he'd be the 1st or 2nd dman dtafted this year after Levshunov

I think you could argue that buium, dickinson, and silayev would be picked before reinbacher (not saying they're definitely better, but I think "safe to say" is a stretch)

 

[samsagat]

Great. Another thread where Habs fans can say Zegras is overrated and shouldn’t garner more than a Tim Hortons gift card and a 7th

Hummmm.

Well, the guy has a bad reputation and just coming from a bad year

And Verbeek demand for him are a top 4 RHD or/plus a top 6 RH forward?

Sorry, but it's delusional. At that price nobody will pull the trigger.

Want it or not, his bad reputation and a down year is affecting his trade value.

Habs won't give their best defense prospects for him, not a chance.

So let's agree to disagree, keep your shit we'll keep our.

 

[lwvs84]

I would be open to trade the following for Zegras:

- 26th OV
- 1 of Mailloux/Matheson (I know he's not really a need for ANA, considering his age, but he can be flipped and is easily worth a mid-1st)
- Dvorak (UFA in 2025)
- 1 of Mesar/Tuch/Farrell

I know it's mostly a quality for quantity trade, but ANA could either take Mailloux or take Matheson and flip him + 26th for maybe Devils 10th OV? And they get a good prospect in 1 of Mesar/Tuch/Farrell, and a warm body in Dvorak.

Ducks aren't looking for downgrades and redundant pieces or doing all the work for a maybe of another trade for another downgrade. In most years, there's about 3 players better then Zegras in the top 10 (not counting last year). Why would the Ducks move him for essentially maybe a #10 pick or more likely 3 pieces that will be lesser pieces that the Ducks have in the system? If Zegras is moved, it'll be something like the Drysdale trade... 1 for 1 or a small add to Z to get a better player.

If the price for young, 60+ point players is a late first and lesser prospects, Ducks would rather add one of those than subtract. Edm 1st and a couple of lesser prospects (not Zellweger/Gauthier/3rd overall) is easy to pay.

 

[FiveTacos]

and 26 + aint worth zegras

Even if it somehow were, there's a long list of teams with higher picks for whom it'd be worth it. The odds of finding a Zegras level player with even a mid 1st is very low, never mind a late 1st.

I know it's mostly a quality for quantity trade, but ANA could either take Mailloux or take Matheson and flip him + 26th for maybe Devils 10th OV?

Then why the hell doesn't Mtl do that instead, then come back with the 10oa as part of an offer, which has a much higher probability of getting the Ducks' attention than 26? My guess is because you know the answer from the Devils would likely be a flat out no.

And why are the Ducks going to keep accumulating picks and prospects by trading players? I think at some point, the teardown has to end. And given that the Ducks now have a lot of young guys already in the NHL or arriving soon, and between this draft and last year they're adding 13 guys from rounds 1-3, as well as running out of contract slots given how many young prospects are signing or needing to be signed ... well I'd say acquiring quantity at this point is a bad idea for them.

If anything, Anaheim is the one who should be seeking out trades where they give up quantity AND quality for big swings at big names. They have so much good U23 NHL talent already, a strong pipeline, and a crap ton of picks, they're in exactly the position to be pursuing big names that might come up.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I don't know what you mean by "we know", but it was reported that Montreal didn't want to pay Guhle/Reinbacher.

It was reported they didn’t want to pay guhle/Reinbacher +, based on something Montreal fans posted earlier

 

[samsagat]

Even if it somehow were, there's a long list of teams with higher picks for whom it'd be worth it. The odds of finding a Zegras level player with even a mid 1st is very low, never mind a late 1st.



Then why the hell doesn't Mtl do that instead, then come back with the 10oa as part of an offer, which has a much higher probability of getting the Ducks' attention than 26? My guess is because you know the answer from the Devils would likely be a flat out no.

And why are the Ducks going to keep accumulating picks and prospects by trading players? I think at some point, the teardown has to end. And given that the Ducks now have a lot of young guys already in the NHL or arriving soon, and between this draft and last year they're adding 13 guys from rounds 1-3, as well as running out of contract slots given how many young prospects are signing or needing to be signed ... well I'd say acquiring quantity at this point is a bad idea for them.

If anything, Anaheim is the one who should be seeking out trades where they give up quantity AND quality for big swings at big names. They have so much good U23 NHL talent already, a strong pipeline, and a crap ton of picks, they're in exactly the position to be pursuing big names that might come up.

Well, the rumors surrounding Zegras aren't coming from MTL, but from Anaheim.

I know that most Ducks fans take the "bad reputation" of Zegras lightly, but in the NHL reality, bad reputation means more often than not a selfish attitude.
And in a tough and physical team sport like hockey, selfishness is about the worst flaw you can have.

Chemistry and team bounding is very important and all it takes is one rotten apple to disturb the whole team mental makeup.

In Zegras case, there's too much smoke to not have fire...

And it seems it's the reason why he's rumored to be on the market since +/- a year. Even if he's 23 on a rebuilding team.

So keep him and we'll be more than happy to keep our young defensive studs in Guhle and Reinbacher.

You win it all with big, physical and fast defensemen, not much with offensive hot dogs with a bad attitude..

 

[McDonald19]

Question for Ducks fans....Why is Trevor Zegras on the trade market?

He’s not. A report came out that the Ducks were willing to listen, but aren’t actively shopping him. That should have been the end of it, but the media keeps pushing a false narrative that the Ducks want to trade him.

 

[McDonald19]

26OA + something?

No thanks. Late firsts aren’t that interesting.

Well, the rumors surrounding Zegras aren't coming from MTL, but from Anaheim.

Considering Anaheim basically has no hockey media, that is an odd take.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Well, the rumors surrounding Zegras aren't coming from MTL, but from Anaheim.

I know that most Ducks fans take the "bad reputation" of Zegras lightly, but in the NHL reality, bad reputation means more often than not a selfish attitude.
And in a tough and physical team sport like hockey, selfishness is about the worst flaw you can have.

Chemistry and team bounding is very important and all it takes is one rotten apple to disturb the whole team mental makeup.

In Zegras case, there's too much smoke to not have fire...

And it seems it's the reason why he's rumored to be on the market since +/- a year. Even if he's 23 on a rebuilding team.

So keep him and we'll be more than happy to keep our young defensive studs in Guhle and Reinbacher.

You win it all with big, physical and fast defensemen, not much with offensive hot dogs with a bad attitude..

This is a whole lot of bad takes to dissect lol