Speculation: ANA - DET

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I'd take Fowler in Detroit just not sure how...

Detroit's defense is old, slow and not good enough and needs to reverse all those weaknesses in a hurry..

I'd like to think SY will address it, but, I'm not sure he will

I think fowler to detroit makes a lot of sense, he’d fit nicely on their back end.

 

[Gliff]

Not too sure any club will want Fowler? Ducks might to retain and sweeten, no?

Wat?

Fowler is a #3 defensemen still with 2 years left. If the Ducks retain on him he is a sweet deal for a contender.

Why would the Ducks add to move him? Literally nothing to gain from it as a team with the most cap space in the league.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

I think fowler to detroit makes a lot of sense, he’d fit nicely on their back end.

Agreed.

It's just the cost, kinda depends on what Anaheim wants.

 

[SirloinUB]

I think fowler to detroit makes a lot of sense, he’d fit nicely on their back end.

Id like to add Fowler to the Red Wings but with 8 D already penciled in its hard to see a fit.

Detroit would need to shed a body and while I like him I dont like him so much as to pay a lot for him.

If the classic HF proposal of Halak ryder and a 2nd interests Anahiem maybe something could materialize but if not I just dont see a fit.

In this case Halak Ryder and a 2nd would have to be something like Berggren/Veleno + Maatta + 2nd and I suspect Anahiem would prefer to keep their guy.

I wouldnt be motivated to offer up anything more than that though.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Id like to add Fowler to the Red Wings but with 8 D already penciled in its hard to see a fit.

Detroit would need to shed a body and while I like him I dont like him so much as to pay a lot for him.

If the classic HF proposal of Halak ryder and a 2nd interests Anahiem maybe something could materialize but if not I just dont see a fit.

In this case Halak Ryder and a 2nd would have to be something like Berggren/Veleno + Maatta + 2nd and I suspect Anahiem would prefer to keep their guy.

I wouldnt be motivated to offer up anything more than that though.

I mean that’s in the ball park of what I’d think a trade would look like

 

[HolyGhost]

I want to ponder a few different ideas here.

First is , what would a potential return look like for Fowler + Gibson.

Second, say for whatever reason Seider didn’t want to sign in Detroit. Could there also be a potential deal around McTavish, IF Seider were-to-be available?

how is this speculation. Sounds like it is wishful thinking

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Looked it up and Fox is a RHD so who else is more valuable than him? Drew Doughty? Weager? Trouba?

At minimum he’s 4th. I personally like his upside over Fox and McAvoy but I’m probably in the minority

The fact you didn’t know Fox was a RD and mentioned Trouba a guy playing currently at a bottom pairing level tells me all I need to know about how close you really follow all the players in the league. There’s nothing wrong with this, but you shouldn’t be telling poster who the 3rd or 4th best RD is. Hell even Weegar been playing LD for the Flames.

Seider is one of the best young RD in the league but he’s still growing into his role. Makar, McAvoy, Fox and left shooting Josi and Dahlin are both playing RD. You also have Hamilton back from injury last year.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

The fact you didn’t know Fox was a RD and mentioned Trouba a guy playing currently at a bottom pairing level tells me all I need to know about how close you really follow all the players in the league. There’s nothing wrong with this, but you shouldn’t be telling poster who the 3rd or 4th best RD is. Hell even Weegar been playing LD for the Flames.

I’m proving a point. No I didn’t know what way Fox shoots. I don’t get why that matters when I’m watching hockey I’m not looking at each players handiness. I’m a die hard leafs fan and haven’t missed more than 10 games in a season since the early 2010s but I couldn’t tell you what way Mathews shoots off the top of my head. I think him, Tavares, Domi, and Patch shoot left. Marner and Nylander shoot right. I’m assuming I got one of those wrong.

But back to my point. After the top 4 (Seider) there is a cliff size drop off to the 5th best right shot dman which is imo Dobson or Doughty. Probably Dobson regular season and Doughty in playoffs.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

I’m proving a point. No I didn’t know what way Fox shoots. I don’t get why that matters when I’m watching hockey I’m not looking at each players handiness. I’m a die hard leafs fan and haven’t missed more than 10 games in a season since the early 2010s but I couldn’t tell you what way Mathews shoots off the top of my head. I think him, Tavares, Domi, and Patch shoot left. Marner and Nylander shoot right. I’m assuming I got one of those wrong.

But back to my point. After the top 4 (Seider) there is a cliff size drop off to the 5th best right shot dman which is imo Dobson or Doughty. Probably Dobson regular season and Doughty in playoffs.

That’s my point I also don’t care which way the player shoots. That’s why I list 2 left shots cause that actually are playing as RD. I care for the discussion sake which D actually play on the right side. Since Makar, Fox, McAvoy, Josi and Dahlin are all playing on their team as the top pairing RD there’s really no way to argue at this point in time that Seider is top 4 in the league. In a year or 2 he very well might be. I’m high on the player. That said, right now, he’s simply not better than any of those 5 guys listed.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

That’s my point I also don’t care which way the player shoots. That’s why I list 2 left shots cause that actually are playing as RD. I care for the discussion sake which D actually play on the right side. Since Makar, Fox, McAvoy, Josi and Dahlin are all playing on their team as the top pairing RD there’s really no way to argue at this point in time that Seider is top 4 in the league. In a year or 2 he very well might be. I’m high on the player. That said, right now, he’s simply not better than any of those 5 guys listed.

Well the debate was he was a top 5 right handed Dman in the NHL and you listed 5 players and 2 of them are left handed. If you asked Dahlin and Josi to use a right handed stick for a game I highly doubt they’d be better than Seider. The fact they play on the right side is irrelevant to my point.

 

[Gliff]

Id like to add Fowler to the Red Wings but with 8 D already penciled in its hard to see a fit.

Detroit would need to shed a body and while I like him I dont like him so much as to pay a lot for him.

If the classic HF proposal of Halak ryder and a 2nd interests Anahiem maybe something could materialize but if not I just dont see a fit.

In this case Halak Ryder and a 2nd would have to be something like Berggren/Veleno + Maatta + 2nd and I suspect Anahiem would prefer to keep their guy.

I wouldnt be motivated to offer up anything more than that though.

I’d rather keep him. He would likely get more at the deadline.

 

[Hobnobs]

I’d rather keep him. He would likely get more at the deadline.

Yup that is not a good trade proposal although they did state that in the post as well. I also think Wings would try to unload Holl and pay a bit extra for that to get Fowler.

So basically Holl (+maybe another roster player) + prospect(s) + draft picks that includes at least an conditional 1st in 2025.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Again we have too many defenseman as it is.

Unless Anaheim would take a deal like Maatta + Holl + Berggren + conditional 2025 1st, there is no fit here.

 

[Gurglesons]

Red Wings should definitley not acquire Fowler lol.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Again we have too many defenseman as it is.

Unless Anaheim would take a deal like Maatta + Holl + Berggren + conditional 2025 1st, there is no fit here.

I think that’s in the ball park of a trade we’d be lookin for….

Only thing is we’d prob have to flip 1 of maataa or holl quickly

Even without Fowler we’re looking at
Mintyukov gudas
Dumo zellwegr
Lacombe luneau
Vaaks maatta holl

 

[FiveTacos]

I think that’s in the ball park of a trade we’d be lookin for….

Only thing is we’d prob have to flip 1 of maataa or holl quickly

I don't think it's in the ballpark at all. When two of the four pieces immediately need to be flipped, and the third player is a 24 year old who's shown so little that all he could get is a dirt cheap one year prove it deal, you're basically trading Fowler for a conditional pick. I'd think you could get more for him at the deadline, either this year or next.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I don't think it's in the ballpark at all. When two of the four pieces immediately need to be flipped, and the third player is a 24 year old who's shown so little that all he could get is a dirt cheap one year prove it deal, you're basically trading Fowler for a conditional pick. I'd think you could get more for him at the deadline, either this year or next.

Yeah I can definitely see taking Maata to get another veteran D for the year, maybe flip him at the deadline. But the value needs to increase significantly to even consider taking on Holl.

Maata + 1st (top 10 protected) for Fowler at 5M (1.5M retained x 2). Ends up being 2M difference in cap hit which I'm sure the Wings can manage their way around. The Ducks may luck into a top 15 pick but I'd ultimately expect something in the 20s. A mid to late first, some serviceable minutes from Maata for a few months before likely flipping him at the deadline for a decent to middling asset - seems about fair. Under different circumstances I'd want more for a top 4 D retained to a very reasonable cap hit for two years.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Again we have too many defenseman as it is.

Unless Anaheim would take a deal like Maatta + Holl + Berggren + conditional 2025 1st, there is no fit here.

Yzerman isn't moving his 1st and Berggren for a middle pairing D that's about to turn 33.

That's not meant to devalue Fowler, it's just not an Yzerman move. He's not moving those kinds of pieces for a guy he doesn't see playing a significant role on the team in the long term.

 

[FiveTacos]

Yzerman isn't moving his 1st and Berggren for a middle pairing D that's about to turn 33.

That's not meant to devalue Fowler, it's just not an Yzerman move. He's not moving those kinds of pieces for a guy he doesn't see playing a significant role on the team in the long term.

Well yeah, I don't think Detroit is at the point yet where they should give up a 1st for a 2 year guy. They need at least medium term pieces to do that, even if it's not a major impact player and "only" a solid mid-roster guy. Fowler's much more valuable to a team close to the Cup that needs a little more mobility and experience on the back end.

OTOH, I also don't think the Ducks should move Fowler for a pick and the rest of the names mentioned. None of the D that Detroit would give up would be that interesting for the Ducks, and Berggren doesn't hold much value or he wouldn't be on a one year deal as one of the lowest paid forwards in the league.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

if we're giving up actual assets for another lhd, i'd much rather go after theodore

 

[FiveTacos]

if we're giving up actual assets for another lhd, i'd much rather go after theodore

Theodore has only 1 year left, so unless you're going to extend him into his late 30s at a high salary then odds are he's a pure rental. Is Detroit that close that such a move would make any sense? TBH I'm not even sure two years of Fowler makes a ton of sense for them. He seems a much better fit for a team that's fairly close to the Cup already.

And of course, you have to consider that unless LV is throwing in the towel on competing they're not gonna just take back prospects, picks, and cap dumps for him. Rebuilding teams with cap space might take a bad contract to get a good pick or prospect, but teams closer to the cap and Cup don't.

 

[Petes2424]

If Cam came to Detroit, a dman would go back in return. Even if Copp was the main vet going to Anaheim. It would likely be Maatta included in the trade, but if somehow they could dump Holl instead, they’d be happy to do so.

Nashville is probably the team team to beat.

 

[cheesymc]

If Cam came to Detroit, a dman would go back in return. Even if Copp was the main vet going to Anaheim. It would likely be Maatta included in the trade, but if somehow they could dump Holl instead, they’d be happy to do so.

Nashville is probably the team team to beat.

I agree that the Ducks would prefer Nashville. They have 3 1sts and interesting prospects to entice Fowler at max retention. L'Heureux would be a great disturber that the Ducks sorely lack.

For Fowler, Nashville is a much better city, team and organization right now.

No thanks to 2 years of Holl…

 

[iago]

I don't think anyone views Seider as the 4th most valuable RHD in the league.

Bouchard, Dobson, Faber come to mind.

No, Bouchard is not ahead of Seider, since Seider can actually defend.