Speculation: ANA - DET
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“We have cap space now so just sign him for anything he wants”….
Kyle Dubas, is that you?
No, that would not be a "win/win" for Detroit. RD is the weakest position in Detroits pipeline. The have no other #1 or #2 RD in their system for the next 2 -3 years. I would rather gamble on Danielson or Kasper to advance and fill the #2C position rather than finding 2 RD's, or finding one next year via trade or free agency. Seider is not going anywhere - end of story.
Gurglesons
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Not really. But, I don't really care enough to argue about it.
lol, come on man.
Looked it up and Fox is a RHD so who else is more valuable than him? Drew Doughty? Weager? Trouba?
At minimum he’s 4th. I personally like his upside over Fox and McAvoy but I’m probably in the minority
Gurglesons
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I don't think anyone views Seider as the 4th most valuable RHD in the league.
Bouchard, Dobson, Faber come to mind.
DavidBL
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Why are we discussing any of the young players for either team? Wasn't this about a Fowler rumor?
Henkka
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Fowler + Gibson
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Holl + Husso + incentives.
Cap could work best at the trade deadline. Wings could build some room for this.
Think Albert Johansson could move as one of the incentives, because Fowler would eat his spot for near future. And there's a surplus of forward prospects now who could leave, which Verbeek knows as being the moment with Yzerman at Wings.
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Holl + Husso + incentives.
Cap could work best at the trade deadline. Wings could build some room for this.
Think Albert Johansson could move as one of the incentives, because Fowler would eat his spot for near future. And there's a surplus of forward prospects now who could leave, which Verbeek knows as being the moment with Yzerman at Wings.
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Don’t think the naming of Gudas as “Captain” this early in camp, wasn’t interpreted as a “shots fired” moment, directed at a certain long time, very loyal player, in hopes he’ll open up his trade protection.
It’s certainly a nail in Fowler’s coffin, but if the Ducks think he’s going to open up his trade protection, just so they can get more than the speculated deal (from 1 of his 4 approved destinations), they’re only delaying the inevitable.
He’s just not going to do that when he knows they’re in talks with one of his approved teams.
Once again. Cam is content playing for Anaheim, or 1 of the 4 teams on his list. If you have a deal with another team, approach him with that deal. Expecting him to blindly open things up though? It’s not gonna happen..
It’s one of the oddest things “some” GMs do. It’s as if they refuse to do the leg work, unless they already know the player will agree. As if they’re embarrassed to waste another manager’s time. When in reality, it’s really simple. Go get a deal, then see if he’ll accept it. If not, trade him to an approved team, or take him off the market.
Maybe Verbeek is scared he’ll end up looking like Ottawa did after the Debrincat saga. Where the Islanders basically told the rest of the league, Debrincat wasn’t signing anywhere but Detroit. So basically telling other teams, not to waste their time. Debrincat was in Detroit a week later..
It’s safe to say Fowler has now accepted they’re intent on moving him sooner than he originally expected. Still doubt he’ll walk out of camp though. If he does that, it makes him look bad for not blindly opening things up.
Needless to say, it’s gonna be uncomfortable until the trade goes down. Even if they pull him off the market, like Calgary did with Hanifin this time last year.
It’s certainly a nail in Fowler’s coffin, but if the Ducks think he’s going to open up his trade protection, just so they can get more than the speculated deal (from 1 of his 4 approved destinations), they’re only delaying the inevitable.
He’s just not going to do that when he knows they’re in talks with one of his approved teams.
Once again. Cam is content playing for Anaheim, or 1 of the 4 teams on his list. If you have a deal with another team, approach him with that deal. Expecting him to blindly open things up though? It’s not gonna happen..
It’s one of the oddest things “some” GMs do. It’s as if they refuse to do the leg work, unless they already know the player will agree. As if they’re embarrassed to waste another manager’s time. When in reality, it’s really simple. Go get a deal, then see if he’ll accept it. If not, trade him to an approved team, or take him off the market.
Maybe Verbeek is scared he’ll end up looking like Ottawa did after the Debrincat saga. Where the Islanders basically told the rest of the league, Debrincat wasn’t signing anywhere but Detroit. So basically telling other teams, not to waste their time. Debrincat was in Detroit a week later..
It’s safe to say Fowler has now accepted they’re intent on moving him sooner than he originally expected. Still doubt he’ll walk out of camp though. If he does that, it makes him look bad for not blindly opening things up.
Needless to say, it’s gonna be uncomfortable until the trade goes down. Even if they pull him off the market, like Calgary did with Hanifin this time last year.
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lol what. You’re in the minority here trust me make a poll. Faber? Looked great last year but he’s not in the same breath as the other 2 you mentioned. Bouchard is a product of the oilers PP he’s mediocre in his own end and soft as butter. Dobson i personally like the most of the 3. I think he’s a 2 way stud but definitely not on the same tier of Seider imo. I’d put Dobson 5th behind him then doughty ahead of Faber and Bouchard
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dracom
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this is just nonsense. Fowler had 2 years to be given the captaincy and didn't and frankly never seemed like he wanted it. just because Gudas gets a letter on on his jersey doesn't somehow mean Fowler is for sure gone. your whole post is just weird unfounded speculation based off nothing lol.
LeBrun is a Clown
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Bouchard is way too soft. Dobson , maybe
I wouldn’t want Bouchard as a 1d. Dobson is legit , if he was on a team that promoted more offense and had better d partners, he’d have insane stats
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The reason for potentially moving Fowler is presumably because the Ducks young depth at that position pushes him out. Zero reason to take back one or two D who would have no role. You telling me that Holl/Johansson are gonna beat out the young guys who made Fowler expendable?
And what's the point of going from Gibson to Husso? Neither is gonna be there long term.
So unless those forward prospects are really really sweet, this seems like the Ducks get nothing back that they need.
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still trying to trust the yzerplan
I don't think a trade here makes any sense. Ducks don't want old shitty D in return for Fowler and we can't add Fowler without moving out at least 1 if not 2 of our old shitty D.
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Several teams would love to add Fowler. He’s not gonna be asked to play any large role with any teams he’s gonna go to. He’ll likely be a supporting, role player, who you can count on playing 20 minutes a night, next to a very good dman.
As for any retention, that’s just realistic in today’s game. They’re either gonna have to take money back, or they’re gonna have to retain.
The team acquiring him will likely be the one having to pay for that. So it’s not in a “he’s a bad player salary dump” sort of way, the Ducks would have to pay for..
Just the reality of doing business in this cap world.
Cam’s still a very good NHL dman. He still does the basics as smooth as anyone. There’s not a dman in the game who wouldn’t have suffered some, playing for Anaheim the last couple of years. Teams know that. With his feet, his age doesn’t matter much at all. In fact, good bet he ends up playing more than just another 2 years, and at a pretty high level.
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Fowler is not in his UFA year. Retention on such guys (and taking back bad contracts) is an indication of a pjayer’s true value. Fowler imo has negative value. No club will take his full contract.
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What’s crazy about the bolded is he had his career high in points the past recent years on an abysmal Anaheim team
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You’re entitled to your opinion of course.
Sometimes points on a bad team aren’t the most telling stat for a dman, but absolutely.
In his case, much of it’s always been partner based too. He’s always had higher point totals in him, but if he plays more open like he has been in recent years, with the partners he’s had, he’s not as effective all-around. The Ducks needed him to push everything though after Lindholm left.
That said, what’s his point totals playing with a very good partner these days? Maybe he can tighten his game back up AND put up 45-50 points. I can think of a couple guys who need a partner like Cam, and he’d be in heaven playing with them too. But yea, absolutely people can look at that.
He’s definitely not done. Im not sure how people would think that. Two shifts into watching him today, and you can tell… Now, his skating goes? Cam’s game will start declining. He’s still as smooth as they come though, and whoever gets him, will be better because of it.
Put him in Nashville or Detroit, and those teams become much better defensively. Imagine Cam playing with Seider or Edvinsson. Those kids could open their games up more. Sooner then Detroit expects too. Especially Seider because he’s already unpredictable, which makes him hard to play against, but knowing he has a Fowler to support him, he’d open things up more. He’ll become even harder to play against, because he’ll be even less predictable knowing he doesn’t have to worry about taking himself out of a play, and Cam extends his career another couple of years with one of the easiest jobs in the NHL. Just dont screw anything up.
I'd take Fowler in Detroit just not sure how...
Detroit's defense is old, slow and not good enough and needs to reverse all those weaknesses in a hurry..
I'd like to think SY will address it, but, I'm not sure he will
Detroit's defense is old, slow and not good enough and needs to reverse all those weaknesses in a hurry..
I'd like to think SY will address it, but, I'm not sure he will
