Notice his qualifiers. Your dollar goes "a little" farther. It doesn't impact the talks with high end guys, but it does help out the middle group "a little bit."![]()
Trotz: 'No question' teams in tax-free states have advantage
Nashville Predators general manager Barry Trotz knows his team has an edge over the majority of NHL clubs.Being situated in Tennessee - one of the U.S.' nine states that doesn't levy a state income tax - Predators players are able to keep more of their money.In a league with a hard salary cap...www.thescore.com
A topic that gets debated on a lot, we have a GM of one of these markets admitting it is an advantage.
That's kinda the point?I'm sure taxes aren't the only reason a guy might want to live and work in Florida over somewhere like Winnipeg or Edmonton.
The portion in bold isn't something that should be leveled. Building teams is part of the competition of the game. The league shouldn't be trying to negotiate something into the CBA to hand-hold teams who can't build a team, particularly when whatever solution to the "problem" would have to be incredibly complex.That's kinda the point?
It's to try and level an already uneven playing field for teams that normally wouldn't get the ufa signings. Why sign in winnipeg when I could get paid MORE to play for florida?
Ya it was very funny one.I proposed an easy solution to this but was attacked for it.
Just pass laws at the state/provincial level that says athletes are exempt from state income taxes.
Has anyone stated that it is not an advantage? AFAIK it has just been stated that there isn't necessarily a correlation to winning.![]()
Trotz: 'No question' teams in tax-free states have advantage
Nashville Predators general manager Barry Trotz knows his team has an edge over the majority of NHL clubs.Being situated in Tennessee - one of the U.S.' nine states that doesn't levy a state income tax - Predators players are able to keep more of their money.In a league with a hard salary cap...www.thescore.com
A topic that gets debated on a lot, we have a GM of one of these markets admitting it is an advantage.
That's kinda the point?
It's to try and level an already uneven playing field for teams that normally wouldn't get the ufa signings. Why sign in winnipeg when I could get paid MORE to play for florida?
Amazing the amount of childish comments on a topic that is very relevant in the NHL today.Amazing the loser franchises always bringing this up
It's only relevant insofar as people like to use it as an excuse. It has no measurable impact on team success, as has been shown in this thread and promptly ignored by anyone who wants to continue using the excuse.Amazing the amount of childish comments on a topic that is very relevant in the NHL today.
Because you have to live in Florida.That's kinda the point?
It's to try and level an already uneven playing field for teams that normally wouldn't get the ufa signings. Why sign in winnipeg when I could get paid MORE to play for florida?
Amazing the amount of childish comments on a topic that is very relevant in the NHL today.
Not too long before that, California teams won 3 cups in 7 years. In fact, if taxes are such a detriment, why did California teams out perform Canadian teams so badly from 2007 until a few years ago when the California teams finally needed to rebuild? I bet players avoid Canadian teams due to the scrutiny they face in those cities. Not just for their own sake, but for their families too
It isn't "tax free." They are paying taxes, just in different ways.You're trying to boil this down to a binary conversation.
Tax Free teams win.. Non tax free teams lose.
Nobody is making that argument that I've seen. So stop trying to twist it that way.
Winning and Losing at the NHL level is insanely complicated. It's not just Tax Free. It's not just Management. It's not just Destination. It's not just scouting, Coaching, etc. It's ALL of them and more.
But if you think Tax Free has 0 impact on a teams success. Then I completely disagree with you.
Just as Southern Market teams enjoy destination/anonymity advantages.
Take a look at NTC and NMC and try telling me that it's not an advantage to not be on any of them.
A teams ability to draw free agents and trade for players with NMC/NTC is sizeable advantage. That is the point I'm trying to make. Tax free helps in those regards.
It’s definitely in this thread. A few went on and on about it.You're trying to boil this down to a binary conversation.
Tax Free teams win.. Non tax free teams lose.
Nobody is making that argument that I've seen. So stop trying to twist it that way.
Guys are signing in Edmonton because they want to win a Cup. There's reasons to want to play for the Oilers right now. It's not like players were all scrambling to play for the Panthers a decade ago.I'm sure taxes aren't the only reason a guy might want to live and work in Florida over somewhere like Winnipeg or Edmonton.
There's plenty of people who honestly enjoy things like fishing, ice fishing, other snow activities etc over being in the heat all year. And as I said above, nobody was rushing to sign in Florida a decade ago.It's to try and level an already uneven playing field for teams that normally wouldn't get the ufa signings. Why sign in winnipeg when I could get paid MORE to play for florida?
This is exactly it. It's a small to medium factor for some players, but not enough of a variable for enough players to need to change any rules or amend the CBA or anything like that.It's a variable but it's not a massive one.
Housing is a big one. You know how states with no or low income tax almost always make their money? High property tax rates. Athletes buying big, flashy homes will pay a LOT in taxes for them.Because the same money goes a lot farther in Winnipeg. It probably makes no difference to the stars making big money either way, they're rich no matter where they go, but a guy on a 1-4m salary will afford and maintain a much nicer home for less money in Winnipeg, and have more left over to do other things with. In Miami millions more will need to be budgeted towards housing, property taxes, insurance, etc. than in Winnipeg. And in a competitive real estate market a lot of that is up front cost, as most desirable homes these days are won with cash offers in markets like that.
Maybe should read the thread then.And I am not even gonna glance through every post but I doubt that contract structure has been mentioned enough.
The only players that will maximize their tax advantages are the ones that get paid in mostly bonuses vs even salary.
If you get paid in salary, then the jock tax kicks in and your tax advantages are minimized. Bonuses get paid out in the summer so I dont THINK they are subject to the jock tax as that is based on where the games are played.
And no, tax haven stats arent just going to sign everyone to a bonus laden structure as that puts them at lockout and buyout risks.
And I am not even gonna glance through every post but I doubt that contract structure has been mentioned enough.Maybe should read the thread then.