All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XII - The UFA frenzy aftermath

[AhosDatsyukian]

plays with a bit of an edge, high energy, can score goals, has 2 years left at $5.5M, is 25 years old, and 24G, 49p.

I would be shocked if the price isn't astronomical.

We'd certainly be buying high too with him having a career year. Not exactly our MO

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

plays with a bit of an edge, high energy, can score goals, has 2 years left at $5.5M, is 25 years old, and 24G, 49p.

I would be shocked if the price isn't astronomical.

It should be astronomical, but all things are possible with Chuck Fletcher.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

konency seems like a non Canes acquisition as his value is at its peak

Thinking about Horvat. Im trying to find a partner for the Canucks.
Teams like Dallas, Toronto, Calgary, Florida, TB, Vegas, Edmonton Avs, STL, Minnesota and likely Boston would treat Horvat as a rental only and not give as much as for him if they can afford him this year at all
Teams like NJ, Pittsburgh, Nashville, SJ and NJ are unlikely to pay 3 centers that much
Teams like Anaheim, Arizona, and Chicago seem unlikely to trade for him based on their position
Seattle is a Francis like team and I dont see him trading for Horvat, its not his style.

Would we (not saying we would be players) be in competition with Buffalo and Detroit for Horvat long term. Would either give up a potential lottery pick? Add in Winnipeg as an option if they dont believe PLD will re-sign.

 

[Canes]

plays with a bit of an edge, high energy, can score goals, has 2 years left at $5.5M, is 25 years old, and 24G, 49p.

I would be shocked if the price isn't astronomical.

Only astronomical to the Canes who are used to eating off the value meal from McDonalds.

Maybe they can trade a few McDonalds items for a burger at Five Guys like the Trocheck trade? Because yeah, this team isn't paying full price for a Five Guys burger.

 

[OTC]

Doesn’t it just make way too much sense that we are short a 2C and scoring winger and the Hawks got both Toews and Kane sitting there? I know everyone thinks they are old and washed up, but watching them a few games this year they still got something left in the tank.

I assume you need to send a contract or 2 back to Chicago. What does Carolina give Chicago for Kane and Toews?

 

[whiskers]

I assume you need to send a contract or 2 back to Chicago. What does Carolina give Chicago for Kane and Toews?

Drury and suzuki , or in a 3 team trade we give our 2x 2nd round to the 3rd team so they also retained 50% salary so we end up having both for under 6 mil enough to get edsmunton and someone else , i would only do that if we have a decent chance , if anderssen still want to play and whom the other teams get , if the bruins somehow end up with Horvat , Meier and Reilly lol forget it then so basically for Kane and Toewn its any 2 of these combos Drury/Suzuki/ the 2x 2nd rounders if no major money is retained

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Kane is great but I don’t know if I want to spend assets to get needing surgery Kane for the most physical part of the season

 

[DaveG]

konency seems like a non Canes acquisition as his value is at its peak

Thinking about Horvat. Im trying to find a partner for the Canucks.
Teams like Dallas, Toronto, Calgary, Florida, TB, Vegas, Edmonton Avs, STL, Minnesota and likely Boston would treat Horvat as a rental only and not give as much as for him if they can afford him this year at all
Teams like NJ, Pittsburgh, Nashville, SJ and NJ are unlikely to pay 3 centers that much
Teams like Anaheim, Arizona, and Chicago seem unlikely to trade for him based on their position
Seattle is a Francis like team and I dont see him trading for Horvat, its not his style.

Would we (not saying we would be players) be in competition with Buffalo and Detroit for Horvat long term. Would either give up a potential lottery pick? Add in Winnipeg as an option if they dont believe PLD will re-sign.

Don't be so sure on Boston. Both Bergeron and Krejci are getting up there (38 and 36... Wtf). I can easily see them in on Horvat as a replacement for one of the two retiring this summer.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I still think that the best idea for the Canes, out of the rumored names available, is Boeser. Yes, he's not looked great this season and has questionable defense. He does have a history of being a good goal scorer, however, and he's got ideal size to compliment our somewhat smaller-than-average top-6. He's the one potential acquisition target that's closest to what Skjei was in 2020. I don't know if a lot of people remember this, but Skjei used to have some of the worst defensive analytics in the entire league when the Canes spent a mid-to-late 1st to trade for him. In a different system and on a much better team, those statistics eventually flipped a total 180.

 

[DaveG]

I still think that the best idea for the Canes, out of the rumored names available, is Boeser. Yes, he's not looked great this season and has questionable defense. He does have a history of being a good goal scorer, however, and he's got ideal size to compliment our somewhat smaller-than-average top-6. He's the one potential acquisition target that's closest to what Skjei was in 2020. I don't know if a lot of people remember this, but Skjei used to have some of the worst defensive analytics in the entire league when the Canes spent a mid-to-late 1st to trade for him. In a different system and on a much better team, those statistics eventually flipped a total 180.

And that was one of the reasons I didn't like the Skjei trade at the time. Felt like we could have had him for a second or even a third with his contract. Both the eye test and (publicly available) fancy stats hated the guy at the time. Of course, putting him next to one of the 10 best defensive dmen in the league and in a system that isn't a tire fire defensively like New York had at the time had positive effects... Who knew.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

We need to get off the budget buy kick and get into the buying smart and buying right phase.

If we get a discount on Horvat by taking all of Garland or Boeser that is fine but no to Jarvis to Morrow in that deal. I would also move Turbo in a deal like this to get a good future to make that deal work just because our major roster upgrade at 2C. But in the end, we would also have to ditch our organizational philosophy to sign Horvat. Since that is unlikely, pass on that mess.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

The bargain bin narrative is a little overdone. If what they see as the right asset becomes available, I don’t see why they wouldn’t make a legit offer. Hamilton was pricey. Tkachuk wasn’t going for a Trocheck return. Skjei wasn’t a bargain at the time.

 

[ndp]

Don't be so sure on Boston. Both Bergeron and Krejci are getting up there (38 and 36... Wtf). I can easily see them in on Horvat as a replacement for one of the two retiring this summer.

Seems like a very Boston, or even more like a TB move. Especially if Stammer was significantly slowing down, which he’s not.

Teams willing to slightly overpay for a perceived rental and do what it takes to get them under the cap. Make a run, then straight up cut throat style move out older player or players in the offseason to resign Mr. HockeyPlayerRental, that no one thought they could afford. Rinse and repeat. Isn’t it one of the things that’s helped TB stay in the hunt for as long as they have? That and the whole drafting, developing and retaining absolute top tier talent at all three positions thing.

 

[MadeUpName]

Skjei had good analytics early on when he wasn't forced to play over his head on a bad team defense. His style is very system oriented. It reminds me of Brind'Amour's comments on Chatfield after last game. "He's such a great skater that he can make up for his own mistakes". Put any moderately talented skater like that with a Pesce or Slavin and I think he can work in Carolina's system.

Boeser is a much different case IMO. From what I have read his shot has diminished due to injuries. He makes way too much money. There is a 50/50 chance that Vancouver laughs for the next 3 years as Carolina inherits their problem. Too much risk for the potential reward.

If Vancouver would trade Horvat + Boeser (25% retained) for Kotkaniemi I might consider it.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

The bargain bin narrative is a little overdone. If what they see as the right asset becomes available, I don’t see why they wouldn’t make a legit offer. Hamilton was pricey. Tkachuk wasn’t going for a Trocheck return. Skjei wasn’t a bargain at the time.

Yes and no. all the players we traded for had a cost but undervalue for a player or players of that level.

Bargain is more of a term of relative value to that level of a player, not the relative cost of the deal with all other deals.

 

[Joe McGrath]

plays with a bit of an edge, high energy, can score goals, has 2 years left at $5.5M, is 25 years old, and 24G, 49p.

I would be shocked if the price isn't astronomical.

Chuck Fletcher is a moron though so we can probably just give them Koko.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

What about Ryan Johansen with like $2m (25%) retained?

He’s absolutely inconsistent throughout his career but he would kind of be like a Trochek pick up for our 2C fix.

He’s almost Skinner-esque in his up year down year trend but it’s more random. At $6m with 2 years left after this one I wonder if the price wouldn’t be too high at all.

With Nashville treading water at best I wonder if they make some move to sell off pieces and gain cap space to re-build or re-tool at least. Their core isn’t getting it done and they aren’t a young team either.

 

[A Star is Burns]

What about Ryan Johansen with like $2m (25%) retained?

He’s absolutely inconsistent throughout his career but he would kind of be like a Trochek pick up for our 2C fix.

He’s almost Skinner-esque in his up year down year trend but it’s more random. At $6m with 2 years left after this one I wonder if the price wouldn’t be too high at all.

With Nashville treading water at best I wonder if they make some move to sell off pieces and gain cap space to re-build or re-tool at least. Their core isn’t getting it done and they aren’t a young team either.

I'd still pass. I think he's been meh 3 of the last 4 seasons including this one. Even with that retention, I don't have any interest.

 

[MinJaBen]

What about Ryan Johansen with like $2m (25%) retained?

He’s absolutely inconsistent throughout his career but he would kind of be like a Trochek pick up for our 2C fix.

He’s almost Skinner-esque in his up year down year trend but it’s more random. At $6m with 2 years left after this one I wonder if the price wouldn’t be too high at all.

With Nashville treading water at best I wonder if they make some move to sell off pieces and gain cap space to re-build or re-tool at least. Their core isn’t getting it done and they aren’t a young team either.

I’d rather Nino from Nashville.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

I’d rather Nino from Nashville.

But we need 2C. On the Nashville board they are floating the idea of buying out RyJo or Duchene.

After this year RyJo would be 2.67 x 4 if you bought him out after this year.

Duchenes buyout is pretty bad.

If they would retain 2-2.5m on RyJo and get a positive asset back (not saying it would be a great package or anything) that’s a better deal for them.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I’d rather Nino from Nashville.

Not lately. Nino's been ice cold

 

[CandyCanes]

Ryan O’Reilly seems like the potential bargain deal this year. He’s had an off year, he’s injured currently, but is expected back in 3-4 weeks. His price might not be bad and certainly would be a huge improvement over Stasny. If we can get Ryan O’ Reilly going again we have a 2nd Jordan Staal on our team, but even more offensively gifted.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

The organization probably views KK in a pretty positive light, especially because he is already very good defensively. When you consider that, I think that the Canes only need a 1-2 year stopgap at center and not a long-term solution. With Nashville right on the bubble, I don't think that Poile wants to get rid of Johansen or Duchene at least until the offseason. I see Henrique, Toews, and O'Reilly (who wants to stay in St. Louis), in that order, as the most likely pickups for Carolina at center. Toews could come especially cheap because of the NMC, but it will depend on what team or teams he will be willing to waive to.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Im still fully expecting us to zag with defense.

Toews@ 50% + McCabe or Murphy for our 1st, Coghlan, Bokk and Gunler.

Then get Barbashev @50% for a 2nd

 

[Canes]

The organization probably views KK in a pretty positive light, especially because he is already very good defensively. When you consider that, I think that the Canes only need a 1-2 year stopgap at center and not a long-term solution. With Nashville right on the bubble, I don't think that Poile wants to get rid of Johansen or Duchene at least until the offseason. I see Henrique, Toews, and O'Reilly (who wants to stay in St. Louis), in that order, as the most likely pickups for Carolina at center. Toews could come especially cheap because of the NMC, but it will depend on what team or teams he will be willing to waive to.

Rod doesn't seem to view KK in a positive light. He's the first center Rod kicks to the 4th line when we stink offensively, and that's with Stastny being forgettable this year as well. There's literally zero evidence to say we're only looking for a stopgap at center other than the fact we signed KK long term and might have to live with the subpar performance in the future. I doubt we want to ice a bottom 6 center group making 10+ mill a year much longer so you may be right but not for the reasons you state.