All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XII - The UFA frenzy aftermath

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Do you mean you’re reading the reports all over the news just like the rest of us? You make it sound like you’ve got some secret source

No, it's my way of saying that the main board was talking about that Twitter post from Kyper.

 

[Sigurd]

Speaking of insiders, what's happened to that Twitter Canes insider from last year that made leaks about Tkachuk during our trade discussions? Lord Stanley's Warehouse iirc.

We haven't heard from that leaker in a long time.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Speaking of insiders, what's happened to that Twitter Canes insider from last year that made leaks about Tkachuk during our trade discussions? Lord Stanley's Warehouse iirc.

We haven't heard from that leaker in a long time.

He (or she) must have gotten in trouble because they deleted their twitter. Someone then came up with a fake "Lord Stanley's Warehouse" with a slightly different name, but it looked to be clearly not the same person. That 2nd one never called anything and probably just faded away.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

He (or she) must have gotten in trouble because they deleted their twitter. Someone then came up with a fake "Lord Stanley's Warehouse" with a slightly different name, but it looked to be clearly not the same person. That 2nd one never called anything and probably just faded away.

Didn’t the new one tell us the black jersey was our primary this year weeks before the team announced? Maybe a guess

 

[ndp]

We like our (center) group?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Didn’t the new one tell us the black jersey was our primary this year weeks before the team announced? Maybe a guess

I remember someone alluding to that, but seemed like just speculating on some video or picture? Don't remember exactly. They also said Lenovo was going to get the naming rights to the Arena this year, and IIRC, called a couple of personnel moves that never happened.

the first account was definitely legit though.

 

[User13452]

Yea this team needs a 2c… the “we like our team” is all talk I’ll be shocked if they don’t get a top 6 forward by the deadline and it’ll be a massive failure if they don’t

 

[AD Skinner]

1+ 1+ 1 = more than 1

Look into my eyes and its easy to see
One and one make two, two and one make three
It was destiny

 

[Discipline Daddy]

I see us being in conversation with Meier, Horvat, and the like mainly to drive up prices for the other East teams to have to pay. I don't think we're serious contenders for Horvat, and I don't think we'll pony up the price for Meier. I could be wrong. Nevertheless, it's clearly in the Borg's interest to signal a strong interest in these players and discuss enticing packages (drink).

I as well can't imagine a guy like Conor Garland being a buyout candidate. But at the same time, Vancouver is pretty screwed cap-wise going into next season. That's our calling card. He's signed at $4.95M for 3 years after this one and is 26. For me he's a guy I'd target. We could catch Vancouver having to shed an asset like Garland or Boeser at a perceived negative value if it prevents them from re-signing Kuzmenko and the D they need for next year. If they really are looking at a buyout, trading him to us with $1M retention is far less of a poison pill (he's 26 so they'd have to pay 2/3rds the remainder).

I see us going after a guy in this situation for very low or perhaps even negative cost than to go after a premium asset. The RyJo idea is interesting as well but his cap hit is less palatable for me.

 

[mikeyfan]

I see us being in conversation with Meier, Horvat, and the like mainly to drive up prices for the other East teams to have to pay. I don't think we're serious contenders for Horvat, and I don't think we'll pony up the price for Meier. I could be wrong. Nevertheless, it's clearly in the Borg's interest to signal a strong interest in these players and discuss enticing packages (drink).

I as well can't imagine a guy like Conor Garland being a buyout candidate. But at the same time, Vancouver is pretty screwed cap-wise going into next season. That's our calling card. He's signed at $4.95M for 3 years after this one and is 26. For me he's a guy I'd target. We could catch Vancouver having to shed an asset like Garland or Boeser at a perceived negative value if it prevents them from re-signing Kuzmenko and the D they need for next year. If they really are looking at a buyout, trading him to us with $1M retention is far less of a poison pill (he's 26 so they'd have to pay 2/3rds the remainder).

I see us going after a guy in this situation for very low or perhaps even negative cost than to go after a premium asset. The RyJo idea is interesting as well but his cap hit is less palatable for me.

We need to go after someone who can score on the PP. Right now over 20% of all special team tallies are short handed goals.

30 PP Goals 8 Short handed Goals. That shows there is a problem with the PP right there, IMO.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

We need to go after someone who can score on the PP. Right now over 20% of all special team tallies are short handed goals.

30 PP Goals 8 Short handed Goals. That shows there is a problem with the PP right there, IMO.

Completely agree.

Brock Boeser is the better choice in that regard. Horvat or Meier is an even better fit but they would cost way more.

My point remains that I think we'll go after a distressed asset rather than an "A" tier deadline pickup.

 

[MinJaBen]

We need to go after someone who can score on the PP. Right now over 20% of all special team tallies are short handed goals.

30 PP Goals 8 Short handed Goals. That shows there is a problem with the PP right there, IMO.

Completely agree.

Brock Boeser is the better choice in that regard. Horvat or Meier is an even better fit but they would cost way more.

My point remains that I think we'll go after a distressed asset rather than an "A" tier deadline pickup.

We've had good PP with these players before.....I guess they forgot how to hockey when on the power play? Or, maybe just maybe, our system/player assignments are the problem? I love Rod, but I get the feeling he sometimes micromanages some aspects of his system to the point where the guys are thinking too much instead of playing freely. That, in my opinion, is what leads to the lack of movement we've seen this year, which is translating into the very predictable and poor execution.

 

[whiskers]

Definitely dont want Boeser , way too expensive for a max 25 goal scorer , please dont trade with any Canadian teams , we always get burned , the Canucks are a mess , i dont wanna anyone from the Nucks except for Quinn Hughes and that will never happen , i think the 2 old farts in Chicago would be our best bet , experienced and know how to win , think they will be quite cheap as other teams will overpay for Horvat/Mieiers etc , let the other teams screw themselves like the Panthers have done , i said it a million times , i rather be like the Bruins make the playoffs 28 years straight than to win 1 cup and be in the playoff 1 times in 11 years , they need to add a 5th round , would be exciting , team would still be in playoff race at the trade deadline , more fans in Attendance more revenue , ya know how the first round is exciting with 8 games going on , imagine if we get 2 rounds of that

 

[Sigurd]

With the continuation of one of Andersen or Rantaa being injured almost all the time, I think the Canes should seriously consider getting a new goalie if not at the deadline, than during the summer. If Andersen or Rantaa is injured, than Peter, for all the brilliancy he's shown, is still a rookie with some games he's shown he's only human. Our goalie situation should be improved if we want to go deep in the playoffs and not risk an injured goalie (or God forbid goalies as in plural) derailing a cup run. Not to mention Andersen in particular is starting to feel like wasted cap space with two years in a row of being injured for a large portion of both years IMO.

A Blue Jackets fan on the main board is talking about trading Korpisalo, and mentions that he's a UFA at the end of this season, and the fan expects he would cost a mid draft pick, and a mid prospect. He's also a little younger than Andersen or Rantaa.

I'm not sure what other good options there are possibly at the deadline or during the summer.

 

[A Star is Burns]

With the continuation of one of Andersen or Rantaa being injured almost all the time, I think the Canes should seriously consider getting a new goalie if not at the deadline, than during the summer. If Andersen or Rantaa is injured, than Peter, for all the brilliancy he's shown, is still a rookie with some games he's shown he's only human. Our goalie situation should be improved if we want to go deep in the playoffs and not risk an injured goalie (or God forbid goalies as in plural) derailing a cup run. Not to mention Andersen in particular is starting to feel like wasted cap space with two years in a row of being injured for a large portion of both years IMO.

A Blue Jackets fan on the main board is talking about trading Korpisalo, and mentions that he's a UFA at the end of this season, and the fan expects he would cost a mid draft pick, and a mid prospect. He's also a little younger than Andersen or Rantaa.

I'm not sure what other good options there are possibly at the deadline or during the summer.

I don't think the offseason will be an issue. I think they'll move on from Andersen and Raanta. And there looks to be a few decent split-the-load guys they can try to bring in for a 1A/1B tandem with Pyotr. Throw a better AHL goalie, and we should be good to go pretty easily.

This season is really tricky. We've got two really injury prone goalies and another that we don't know if he is or isn't, but he's inexperienced and did have an injury. Do they want to bring in another guy and have three NHL goalies (yes, that assumes you have all three healthy at some point) and Pyotr in the AHL? Or do you ship out Raanta in that move or separately? As much as I think some folks overplay some of the chemistry aspects of things at times, he does seem rather popular as a teammate, so I don't think it'd have zero impact. I think it's worth considering, but it's not an easy decision.

 

[Francis10]

Doesn’t it just make way too much sense that we are short a 2C and scoring winger and the Hawks got both Toews and Kane sitting there? I know everyone thinks they are old and washed up, but watching them a few games this year they still got something left in the tank.

 

[MinJaBen]

Doesn’t it just make way too much sense that we are short a 2C and scoring winger and the Hawks got both Toews and Kane sitting there? I know everyone thinks they are old and washed up, but watching them a few games this year they still got something left in the tank.

I wouldn't hate grabbing both of them in the "rental" category at rental prices, but I'd rather strikeout first on some other longer term options first.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Doesn’t it just make way too much sense that we are short a 2C and scoring winger and the Hawks got both Toews and Kane sitting there? I know everyone thinks they are old and washed up, but watching them a few games this year they still got something left in the tank.

They'd pretty much have to want to come here. So it may not matter if it makes sense.

 

[Svechhammer]

I liked this idea at the deadline last year and still like it now, assuming the price isn't astronomical

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I liked this idea at the deadline last year and still like it now, assuming the price isn't astronomical

plays with a bit of an edge, high energy, can score goals, has 2 years left at $5.5M, is 25 years old, and 24G, 49p.

I would be shocked if the price isn't astronomical.

 

[moses malone 12]

Completely agree.

Brock Boeser is the better choice in that regard. Horvat or Meier is an even better fit but they would cost way more.

My point remains that I think we'll go after a distressed asset rather than an "A" tier deadline pickup.

History agrees with you. I however hope that mgmt. alters their strategy based on prior success of Tampa acquiring the right players for them at the deadline despite the cost. I think this is the year to made the trade(s) that positions them to win the Cup. Trading for Garland and other "asset mgmt" type moves will not do it IMO. Horvat is the guy IMO as the 2C position is one of their weaknessess right now. Statsny is not the answer and Svech has gone cold. Horvat will open things up for his wingers as he is a shooter and will go to the net. Plus he is good on the PP which we need. I have heard Canes are interested in Tarasenko. He is likely dealt unless the Blues go on a heater.

Borg should get Horvat sooner rather than later. Vancouver has garbage prospects so we could offer them attractive pieces plus KK. This trade would send a message to NJ, Boston and NYR that we are serious and likely push the price up on players they are targeting (Meier).

They of course will not do this but one can hope.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Doesn’t it just make way too much sense that we are short a 2C and scoring winger and the Hawks got both Toews and Kane sitting there? I know everyone thinks they are old and washed up, but watching them a few games this year they still got something left in the tank.

The price is still going to be high, though. If we’re going to spend big I’d rather pay a little more and try to get a younger guy with more years of control.

 

[chaz4hockey]

History agrees with you. I however hope that mgmt. alters their strategy based on prior success of Tampa acquiring the right players for them at the deadline despite the cost. I think this is the year to made the trade(s) that positions them to win the Cup. Trading for Garland and other "asset mgmt" type moves will not do it IMO. Horvat is the guy IMO as the 2C position is one of their weaknessess right now. Statsny is not the answer and Svech has gone cold. Horvat will open things up for his wingers as he is a shooter and will go to the net. Plus he is good on the PP which we need. I have heard Canes are interested in Tarasenko. He is likely dealt unless the Blues go on a heater.

Borg should get Horvat sooner rather than later. Vancouver has garbage prospects so we could offer them attractive pieces plus KK. This trade would send a message to NJ, Boston and NYR that we are serious and likely push the price up on players they are targeting (Meier).

They of course will not do this but one can hope.

RE: Horvat--Like the player but he has slowed down a lot (last goal was an empty net). Also, any deal that keeps Stastny in the lineup is meh. If you trade KK, need another C for 4th line.

Re: Hawks duo: it's quite possible they don't want to play in Raleigh but in any event, I think they are washed up and not worth exploring (will be better than LY's Domi but not the difference makers we need).

 

[whiskers]

Love to get konecny instead of these Canucks Bozos , but doubt the Flyers would do us any favors , we would pay more than any other teams in other division
As far as the cost of Kane and Toewns it all depends what they tell management and how many teams they would want to join. i would think the Canes would be one of these teams and maybe the only one cause who doesnt want to play for Rod

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Love to get konecny instead of these Canucks Bozos , but doubt the Flyers would do us any favors , we would pay more than any other teams in other division
As far as the cost of Kane and Toewns it all depends what they tell management and how many teams they would want to join. i would think the Canes would be one of these teams and maybe the only one cause who doesnt want to play for Rod

The only issue with Konecny is that he's tiny, but when he produces like that, they should be able to find the fit later.