All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XII - The UFA frenzy aftermath

[Derailed75]

This has stuck in my mind a bit today, and I had me wondering.... Do we have that signature blockbuster trade, yet?

Closest I can think of is the Dougie Hamilton trade, but I'm not really sure that was a major blockbuster at the time, at least not to the extent that these kind of trades we are talking about now. Yes, Dougie, Lindholm, Hanifin, even Fox all became upper level to elite players after the fact, but I don't recall it being a move that made anyone think that Calgary or Carolina were really making monumental changes to the foundation at the time.

So at that point, why can't we be the team that pulls off that big trade? Why do we always have to be the one trying to hope a player doesn't end up at a rival? I'm not saying we need to absolutely be trading for Meier, but we can't come away from this situation without addressing our lack of top end talent. That has to be our top, if not only, priority with the situation we currently have.

IDK I was driving when my NHL app dinged and I saw we got Nino. I would say that was pretty huge at the time. While he had fallen off a little bit he was still a top half of the league guy and we got him for Victor Fricken Rask. I about ran out the road when I read it.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

This has stuck in my mind a bit today, and I had me wondering.... Do we have that signature blockbuster trade, yet?

Closest I can think of is the Dougie Hamilton trade, but I'm not really sure that was a major blockbuster at the time, at least not to the extent that these kind of trades we are talking about now. Yes, Dougie, Lindholm, Hanifin, even Fox all became upper level to elite players after the fact, but I don't recall it being a move that made anyone think that Calgary or Carolina were really making monumental changes to the foundation at the time.

So at that point, why can't we be the team that pulls off that big trade? Why do we always have to be the one trying to hope a player doesn't end up at a rival? I'm not saying we need to absolutely be trading for Meier, but we can't come away from this situation without addressing our lack of top end talent. That has to be our top, if not only, priority with the situation we currently have.

The brindamour trade was pretty big at the time

 

[Derailed75]

The brindamour trade was pretty big at the time

No it wasnt big it was HUGE!!! At that time I hardly knew anything about hockey and other than casually watching and listening to Chopper Harrison my favorite thing was "Hockey Names" and Brind'amore was one of my favorites. So knowing very little hockey and having on of my top hockey names get traded to my somewhat local team that I only knew through a rock DJ was big time!

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Now I'm starting to hear buyout rumors surrounding Garland. I know that Gocanes is skeptical of Boeser and Garland because both of these players have somewhat flawed games, but they both constitute the most Canes-friendly pickups imaginable because they: 1. they've performed well in the past, and 2. are young players with large contracts in their prime years. I would not be shocked if I wake up on deadline day and one of those names was acquired by Carolina.

 

[Svechhammer]

The brindamour trade was pretty big at the time

Yes, but that was also 23 years ago. I'd say probably the last major trade we've been a part of was the Jordo deal. Outside of that, and especially for this current run, I think we're still waiting for that seismic move that pushes us over the top.

 

[Sigurd]

Now I'm starting to hear buyout rumors surrounding Garland. I know that Gocanes is skeptical of Boeser and Garland because both of these players have somewhat flawed games, but they both constitute the most Canes-friendly pickups imaginable because they: 1. they've performed well in the past, and 2. are young players with large contracts in their prime years. I would not be shocked if I wake up on deadline day and one of those names was acquired by Carolina.

Of the two players, I certainly prefer Boeser. For one thing, Boeser is actually a big player unlike Garland who is 5'9. We have enough smaller forwards IMO.

 

[bleedgreen]

Now I'm starting to hear buyout rumors surrounding Garland. I know that Gocanes is skeptical of Boeser and Garland because both of these players have somewhat flawed games, but they both constitute the most Canes-friendly pickups imaginable because they: 1. they've performed well in the past, and 2. are young players with large contracts in their prime years. I would not be shocked if I wake up on deadline day and one of those names was acquired by Carolina.

I’ve been interested in both. I don’t think you can put the stink of the Canucks on these two. They’re both candidates for a rebound. I don’t buy the buyout rumors though. Neither has a salary that’s worth buying out imo.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Now I'm starting to hear buyout rumors surrounding Garland. I know that Gocanes is skeptical of Boeser and Garland because both of these players have somewhat flawed games, but they both constitute the most Canes-friendly pickups imaginable because they: 1. they've performed well in the past, and 2. are young players with large contracts in their prime years. I would not be shocked if I wake up on deadline day and one of those names was acquired by Carolina.

im skeptical of boeser because of his 2 way game and bringing him on means 80% of our cap is gone.
im skeptical of Garland as a right now move because he is only a slight upgrade to Fast. Its fine as an off-season move.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

im skeptical of boeser because of his 2 way game and bringing him on means 80% of our cap is gone.
im skeptical of Garland as a right now move because he is only a slight upgrade to Fast. Its fine as an off-season move.

It's rumored that Vancouver may need to retain some on Boeser for there to even be a trade market. Carolina is one of the few teams that has the cap to take on the full Boeser contract, though, which means that he may be available for a depressed asset return. You can probably organize something with Anaheim and Henrique to acquire both Boeser and Henrique. Maybe Anaheim agrees to take the Kase LTIR?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

It's rumored that Vancouver may need to retain some on Boeser for there to even be a trade market. Carolina is one of the few teams that has the cap to take on the full Boeser contract, though, which means that he may be available for a depressed asset return.

If Stas didnt have a NTC, i wouldnt mind trading for Boeser and we could realistically still afford a decent center to be a 2C. But Boeser's 6.8 takes all but 1.6 million of our cap hit and Stas isnt going anywhere.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

If Stas didnt have a NTC, i wouldnt mind trading for Boeser and we could realistically still afford a decent center to be a 2C. But Boeser's 6.8 takes all but 1.6 million of our cap hit and Stas isnt going anywhere.

Perhaps Anaheim agrees to take the Kase LTIR in a Henrique trade (Kase doesn't have a NTC)? That might fix the issue. The Canes could then walk away with Boeser and Henrique @ 50%.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Garland’s a bad roster fit, as @Sigurd alluded to. There’s only so much room in a lineup for that player type. Jarvis occupies that space already. 4/6ths of a Top 9 wing group being Teravainen, Necas, Jarvis and Garland is the opposite direction of where they should go and where they tried and ultimately did go this past offseason.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Perhaps Anaheim agrees to take the Kase LTIR in a Henrique trade (Kase doesn't have a NTC)? That might fix the issue. The Canes could then walk away with Boeser and Henrique @ 50%.

possibly. you think the FO would trade Kase to Anaheim with Kase choosing us over Toronto to win a cup and still trying to make it back?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

if Kuz signs that 2 x 5/6 million deal, Vancouver will likely need to make moves between now and the off-season. They would have 8 million in available cap without a 1C and a defense.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

possibly. you think the FO would trade Kase to Anaheim with Kase choosing us over Toronto to win a cup and still trying to make it back?

Part of me wonders if Kase is pondering early retirement with him naturally being so damned concussion-prone. I feel bad for that guy; he's clearly a talented player but fate hasn't been kind to him.

 

[NotOpie]

I wish I could do math

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I'm gonna go against the grain here and say that NJ is going to have a devil of a time working the cap to get him (see what I did there?). Right now the

Their defense will become quite suspect with Meier and Bratt at 9 million. Offense would be sick but not a lot of depth or defense.

 

[NotOpie]

Their defense will become quite suspect with Meier and Bratt at 9 million. Offense would be sick but not a lot of depth or defense.

You'd possibly see the Univ. of MI pair hit the ice. Another Hughes and Casey if they can sign them.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Causation vs. Correlation. I'd argue they lost 4 games largely because goaltending wasn't great and not an acclimation tax. Kochetkov didn't win a game after returning from injury and didn't look good in net.

Kochetkov: L. SV% .867
Kochetkov: L. SV% .833
Raanta: SO Loss: SV% .833
Kochetkov: L. SV%. .818

Then:
Andersen: W. SV% .933
Andersen: W. SV% .971
Kochetkov: SOL: SV%. .906
Andersen: W. SV% .935
Andersen: W. SV% .935

That said, I agree with you on TT. He's been here a long time and developed chemistry with a lot of players, at ES, PP and PK. Losing him could upset the apple cart and I'll be rather surprised if that's something they risk at this juncture of the season.

So all the losses were on Koochie? No failure to communicate or miscues at all due to other changes? Patches left the CBJ game very early which they won and then missed the next two games which they won one and lost in OT while back with their typical line up. I am not blaming him. I have just seen a similar trend almost anytime the apple cart is upset with this team for various reasons. I asked this before but didn't get an answer..how to qualify factors such as chemistry, psychology, familiarity, bruised egos - there are mental aspects to performance, right?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Their defense will become quite suspect with Meier and Bratt at 9 million. Offense would be sick but not a lot of depth or defense.

What sort of helps the Devils is that the Hughes ($8M cap hit for someone that's producing at an $11M rate, at least) and Hischier ($7.5M cap hit for someone producing at a $10M rate) extensions are looking like bargains and they have a bunch of expiring veteran contracts (Johnsson, Haula, Tatar, Wood, Graves, and Severson, with IMO only Haula a potential extension candidate). They can theoretically have a lineup like this and still be 1-2 in the Metro:

Palat-J. Hughes-Holtz/Mercer (depending on who is dealt for Meier)
Meier-Hischier-Bratt
Sharangovich-Haula-Zetterlund
Boqvist-McLeod-Bastian

Siegenthaler-Hamilton
L. Hughes-Marino
Smith/Bahl-Walsh

Vanecek
Blackwood

 

[Rad ChaLose]

I just remember laughing maniacally when I received the notification that we got Nino.

I miss him.

 

[hblueridgegal]

This alludes to some type of witchcraft..sounds as predictable as anything else.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

So all the losses were on Koochie? No failure to communicate or miscues at all due to other changes? Patches left the CBJ game very early which they won and then missed the next two games which they won one and lost in OT while back with their typical line up. I am not blaming him. I have just seen a similar trend almost anytime the apple cart is upset with this team for various reasons. I asked this before but didn't get an answer..how to qualify factors such as chemistry, psychology, familiarity, bruised egos - there are mental aspects to performance, right?

No, it's not all on him, but that's a big piece of it. The same "upset the apple cart" applies when a goaltender lets in weak goal It has an impact on the team playing in front of them. We've seen that time and time again across many different teams (not just Carolina). He just didn't play nearly as well when he returned from injury. That's not a controversial statement. Secondly, both the team ahead and the team behind play differently with a lead / when behind. It's all interrelated.

In the end, there's no way to prove any of the "mental aspects". I agree that the mental aspects certainly play a role, but how much? it's speculation and impossible to say for sure.

It's similar to people stating that Colorado and TB have more mental toughness so won the cup. Well, they also had significantly more high end talent. it's easier to fall back on a mental toughness explanation than it is to admit we might not have been talented enough. The mental aspect plays a role, but how much vs. overall talent? I can't say as they both probably play a role.

EDIT: Like I said though, I agree removing a guy that's been here a long time like TT may result in issues even if we don't agree how prevalent they were with adding Patches. I also think if(hopefully when) we do make a move, it's ALWAYS better to do it sooner rather than later as guys will take time to integrate themselves into any team.

 

[Tryamw]

I wish I could do math

1+ 1+ 1 = more than 1

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Now I'm starting to hear buyout rumors surrounding Garland. I know that Gocanes is skeptical of Boeser and Garland because both of these players have somewhat flawed games, but they both constitute the most Canes-friendly pickups imaginable because they: 1. they've performed well in the past, and 2. are young players with large contracts in their prime years. I would not be shocked if I wake up on deadline day and one of those names was acquired by Carolina.

Do you mean you’re reading the reports all over the news just like the rest of us? You make it sound like you’ve got some secret source