All Purpose Trade / Roster Building Thread pt 6 - let the waiting game commence

[CandyCanes]

The $6 million a year offer that has been reported makes a bit more sense now, if it's a 5 year deal. I'm not giving Aho his full value if he only wants to go 5 years.

I'd do like $7-7.5M for 5 years or 9.5M-10M for 8 years.

All this said, I'm confident management won't Faulk this one up.

 

[bleedgreen]

If he signs a ridiculous offer sheet I wouldn’t want us to match. I don’t care if people think we’re vulnerable, don’t sign a bad deal.

 

[CandyCanes]

If he signs a ridiculous offer sheet I wouldn’t want us to match. I don’t care if people think we’re vulnerable, don’t sign a bad deal.

If we lose Aho, then what? Spend another 5 years rebuilding? No thanks. I'm certain a fair deal will be made with Aho, the Canes management isn't dumb enough to lose Aho... (Tho I think)

 

[Chrispy]

I mean what can you say. The guy's a disruptor, there's going to be a bunch of people pushing back in the media. It is what it is, I won't believe a second of it from an outside source (aside from Bob McKenzie) until pen is to paper.

After Bob was spitballing pesce for Johnsson + Zaitsev earlier this season I wouldn’t believe it from him until official either.

Dundon has to cave on this one. The offer sheet risk is legitimate if you refuse to budge and then you can’t control how far over your valuation you go.

 

[NotOpie]

You have to look at the contract structure of the team as it projects 5 years out. A 5 year deal means we're negotiating deals with Turbo, Pesce, and Aho the same year. We really want at least a 6 year window on Aho, if for no other reason to stagger the next set of significant deals.

 

[bleedgreen]

If we lose Aho, then what? Spend another 5 years rebuilding? No thanks. I'm certain a fair deal will be made with Aho, the Canes management isn't dumb enough to lose Aho... (Tho I think)

Offer sheets have nothing to do with smarts though.

We wouldn’t be in full rebuild if we lost Aho, it would definitely hurt but we’d move on. We could trade him to that team for a different return than the picks, or we’d have more picks to spend on guys

I’m not remotely advocating letting Aho go, I’m just saying if he signs a ridiculous offer sheet that hamstrings the team moving forward that I wouldn’t do it.

 

[Lempo]

In practice his agent will take the offers and bring the best for Canes unofficially to match or to counter-offer something equally good without anyone signing anything.

 

[bleedgreen]

In practice his agent will take the offers and bring the best for Canes unofficially to match or to counter-offer something equally good without anyone signing anything.

That’s what I would assume would happen. As long as both sides are amicable I can’t see why this wouldn’t happen.

I think he’s going to be expensive but just affordable enough that they have to sign him.

 

[PensandCaps]

i think its horribly insulting to offer Aho, whos a upper tier #1C, 6 mil per, when Skinner is getting 9 and Duchene will be getting 10 or so.

Aho is quite a bit better than those players.

 

[A Star is Burns]

i think its horribly insulting to offer Aho, whos a upper tier #1C, 6 mil per, when Skinner is getting 9 and Duchene will be getting 10 or so.

Aho is quite a bit better than those players.

Not that we know the whole story for sure, but those guys are UFA. Apples and oranges even with RFAs seemingly gaining more leverage.

 

[DaveG]

In practice his agent will take the offers and bring the best for Canes unofficially to match or to counter-offer something equally good without anyone signing anything.

Yep, that's generally how this works. And only way he'll sign the offer sheet is if it's an offer that the other team is flat out not going to match or that's too good to be true.

 

[Lempo]

Yep, that's generally how this works. And only way he'll sign the offer sheet is if it's an offer that the other team is flat out not going to match or that's too good to be true.

Technically the sheet is an SPC that the player signs with another team (which then get sent to the current team for first refusal). If it comes to that it will be signed because that's the process, but at that point it's clear that the current team chose not to match.

Something is horribly wrong between the player and the team if the player straight out signs an OS without the contract having been on the former team's table first.

 

[PensandCaps]

Not that we know the whole story for sure, but those guys are UFA. Apples and oranges even with RFAs seemingly gaining more leverage.

i would just treat my franchise player fairly.

Nylander got 7 per as a RFA. and he isn't close to as good as Aho.

 

[A Star is Burns]

i would just treat my franchise player fairly.

Nylander got 7 per as a RFA. and he isn't close to as good as Aho.

I'm sure everyone will end up happy. This is just part of the process.

 

[Unsustainable]

Faulk to Caps?

 

[GoldiFox]

Faulk to Caps?

She clarified that this doesn't mean Faulk to caps. Only that Priskie would potentially fill the spot that Faulk vacated. So it assumes Faulk gets moved - possibly in another transaction.

 

[MinJaBen]

Seems like she was walking by a GM on the phone and only heard half the conversation.

 

[MinJaBen]

 

[A Star is Burns]

That can't be. We are super dumb and cheap and low balling him

 

[spockBokk]

If they can move Faulk for any sort of top 6 help, that’d be awesome. Sounds like they’d be looking at a separate type deal to grab the rights to Priskie as a potential Faulk replacement. That’s not the worst idea I guess, but it doesn’t exactly show that the braintrust has much faith in Mckeown. More RD depth is never bad tho.

 

[Chrispy]

If they can move Faulk for any sort of top 6 help, that’d be awesome. Sounds like they’d be looking at a separate type deal to grab the rights to Priskie as a potential Faulk replacement. That’s not the worst idea I guess, but it doesn’t exactly show that the braintrust has much faith in Mckeown. More RD depth is never bad tho.

Priskie's more a Charlotte depth play than McKeown replacement.

They can't have faith that McKeown will be in Charlotte this season. He either needs to stay in Raleigh or he could get picked up on waivers. Somebody needs to play in Charlotte.

 

[Canes]

I don't see why Priskie would want to sign here if he's not willing to sign with the Caps, who would be presumably somewhat easier to earn a spot with.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I don't see why Priskie would want to sign here if he's not willing to sign with the Caps, who would be presumably somewhat easier to earn a spot with.

Big fan of the Storm Surge and pulled pork

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Waddell said Aho’s deal won’t get done until later in the summer.

 

[Roboturner913]

That can't be. We are super dumb and cheap and low balling him

But some former NHL goon who got his head bashed in for a living and probably doesn't like hockey in the souff said so, it must be true

But really I bet it's more the years than the money. Sounds like Aho wants 5, and we want 8. So meet him in the middle and give him 6 years, but with a little more money. Bada bing, bada boom