Roboturner913
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All Purpose Trade / Roster Building Thread pt 6 - let the waiting game commence
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I’m not sure what to make about the newest rumors. Obviously, rumors of Dundon being cheap isn’t anything new, and if they’re true, they aren’t really that surprising.
But if it really is a collaborative effort between Dundon, Waddell, and Brindamour, the latter two should have enough sense to know you HAVE to pay your players.
But if it really is a collaborative effort between Dundon, Waddell, and Brindamour, the latter two should have enough sense to know you HAVE to pay your players.
SvechneJerk
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dogbazinho
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I choose not to believe the rumors. I won't support a franchise who's goal is to only have players on ELCs.
My Special Purpose
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Is this a troll? I can't tell.
No team drafts well enough to maintain that type of constant stream of quality players. This organization has done a great job outside of the 1st round this decade, but absolutely sucked at it the decade before. They're liable to go through another down turn and when that happens, who's filling the gaps those picks were expected to fill?
DaveG
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I mean, if people are going to take stuff from f***ing EKLUND and co seriously I don't know what to say other than get real.
Roboturner913
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Cardiac Jerks
Asinine & immoral
How is he even treated as a reliable source around here?
JoeThorntonsRooster
Don’t say eye test when you mean points
Just spit balling here, would Carolina trade picks 36 and 37 for one of Andreas Johnsson or Kasperi Kapanen?
And, I know you guys are stocked on the right, but would Carolina be interested in LHD? Would Brenden Dillon for one of those picks work? Or Brenden Dillon + Melker Karlsson ($2M cap dump 4th liner) for 59th overall?
And, I know you guys are stocked on the right, but would Carolina be interested in LHD? Would Brenden Dillon for one of those picks work? Or Brenden Dillon + Melker Karlsson ($2M cap dump 4th liner) for 59th overall?
Both, with what is still on the board? I doubt it.
37+McKeown? Gives TOR a cheap nhl ready RHD to help with cap.
Why make ANY offer to Toronto? The value is much, much better if we make an offer sheet. We could feasibly start with one of Kapanen or Johnsson and if TO matches one we could probably get the other. I can't imagine either player signing without exploring the offer sheet market. The compensation range for signing either of those guys is probably a second in 2020, and that 2nd is most likely worse than #37.
I hope with the cap possibly coming closer to $80M than $83M, we can exploit that. Totally works in our favor.
I hope with the cap possibly coming closer to $80M than $83M, we can exploit that. Totally works in our favor.
Might as well take it from the guy who keeps asking, "Why so serious?"
Not my preferred source for much of anything except bad jokes..
I hope you guys won't mind me popping in quickly. I've followed some of your Finns pretty closely (Aho, Mäenalanen, Kuokkanen) as I come from the same town Oulu. The player I've followed the most is Jesse Puljujarvi and I believe you should definitely make a move to get him. In fact I believe you should make a bit of an overpayment, or what looks like one right now as Pulju's value isn't that high currently.
If you could get him for one of your 2nd rounders that'd be a great deal IMO, but I would also be ready to add something. While I understand I can't be impartial in this case here's why I think Puljujarvi could be a great steal:
His 2nd year was actually quite promising. There were plenty of things to hinder his development (like McLellan benching him easier than anyone else, him not really getting PP usage), but he was still the team's best goal scorer until the 2nd half of the season. In March he was still the best goal scoring winger with almost no PP usage. Until being stapled with Strome and Lucic he was producing quite nicely, for the first months very nicely actually.
This season's numbers look sad, but when you look at the other Oilers you see that the points weren't really different from any other forward apart from the four best ones (McDavid, Drai, Nuge and Chiasson to a lesser extent). The AHL stint was promising, it was just 4 games at a ppg rate, but he was clearly the best player in all of the games according to what I read. He looked terrific in his very best NHL games, so the potential to shine at the NHL level is there.
Pulju's junior numbers were about as elite as they can be and his spring season in the FEL was absolutely terrific. I understand he may not be able to gain a spot along Aho at least immediately, but I believe the new surroundings and the Finns around would bring more out of him.
After watching him closely I would say his floor is a useful 3rd line winger with potential for more, but the ceiling is still very high. I know some will find comments like this funny, but I still believe he can become one of the top wingers in the whole league. A bit more than a year ago the path was fine so I don't think one season can ruin everything.
If you ask me he's been handled really badly, especially when it comes to feeding a young player's confidence. I'd love to see what a different approach could bring. He's also more mature and more developed now and his English is also finally clearly better.
If you could get him for one of your 2nd rounders that'd be a great deal IMO, but I would also be ready to add something. While I understand I can't be impartial in this case here's why I think Puljujarvi could be a great steal:
His 2nd year was actually quite promising. There were plenty of things to hinder his development (like McLellan benching him easier than anyone else, him not really getting PP usage), but he was still the team's best goal scorer until the 2nd half of the season. In March he was still the best goal scoring winger with almost no PP usage. Until being stapled with Strome and Lucic he was producing quite nicely, for the first months very nicely actually.
This season's numbers look sad, but when you look at the other Oilers you see that the points weren't really different from any other forward apart from the four best ones (McDavid, Drai, Nuge and Chiasson to a lesser extent). The AHL stint was promising, it was just 4 games at a ppg rate, but he was clearly the best player in all of the games according to what I read. He looked terrific in his very best NHL games, so the potential to shine at the NHL level is there.
Pulju's junior numbers were about as elite as they can be and his spring season in the FEL was absolutely terrific. I understand he may not be able to gain a spot along Aho at least immediately, but I believe the new surroundings and the Finns around would bring more out of him.
After watching him closely I would say his floor is a useful 3rd line winger with potential for more, but the ceiling is still very high. I know some will find comments like this funny, but I still believe he can become one of the top wingers in the whole league. A bit more than a year ago the path was fine so I don't think one season can ruin everything.
If you ask me he's been handled really badly, especially when it comes to feeding a young player's confidence. I'd love to see what a different approach could bring. He's also more mature and more developed now and his English is also finally clearly better.
Lempo
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Canes got enough their own tweeners in need of a roster spot already to go and pay for a guy just so he can be snatched on the waivers.
EDM ruined his waivers exemption time and made him a difficult asset to deal with. He would need a permanent roster spot now. It's maybe Europe for him now to try and make him NHL level player.
EDM ruined his waivers exemption time and made him a difficult asset to deal with. He would need a permanent roster spot now. It's maybe Europe for him now to try and make him NHL level player.
FreshSeabass
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Why? why are we gonna dick around over the price for our best forward. I get lindholm and hanifin, but not Aho just give the kid what he is asking for. The 8 year term is the only part id be adamant about.
LeBrun: GMs blame uncertainty around next year's cap for...
LeBrun: GMs blame uncertainty around next year's cap for...
You guys know your situation better, but I personally believe there's at least a 50% chance that teams that were considering getting Pulju will regret it in the future. I've probably never seen as many hindering things towards any young top prospect and there's a good reason to believe Pulju was especially prone to them affecting him.
With all respect towards your prospects I'm not sure they, or at least many of them, have the same potential. I believe with steady linemates, proper PP usage and proper feeding of confidence he could be ready to score 20 goals already next season.
In his 2nd season everything was fine as long as he was playing with good enough linemates and feeling confident. He started the season a bit late but had scored 8 goals by Christmas, with no PP time. After that I believe McLellan killed his confidence by demoting him when he was playing his best hockey, moving him from line to line and never using him properly on the PP. Now I've written enough about Puljujarvi so I'll stop here.
Nikishin Go Boom
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Its called negotiating. Its a standard contract tactic. Players want the most money and owners wanna pay the least.
If Dundon can afford to pay the AAF 15 million a week, then there isn’t a deal we wouldn’t match for Aho. This banter is pure bs.
Joe McGrath
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An 8 year deal is what he doesn’t want. It says it right there in the article you’re quoting.
Agreed there isn't a deal the Canes wouldn't match.
The potential problem is the term and particulars. If the Canes want 8 years but Aho accepts an offer sheet of $10 million x 5 years then the Canes get the benefit of neither $$ nor term.
Also any offer sheet would likely be structured like Shea Weber's was to make it financially difficult for the Canes. Maybe the $10 million x 5 year offer sheet has $10-15 million in signing bonuses for the first couple years. Cash due on July 1 (or whenever the deal is accepted).
I'm not worried about an OS or these negotiations yet. I just want to be done with the annoyance of leaks about how unhappy both sides are. All part of business though.
Nikishin Go Boom
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Its absolutely hilarious these clowns keep pushing this notion a team could create an offer sheet with high up front salary the Canes wouldn’t match.
The man bankrolled the AAF for 4 weeks at 15 million A WEEK. His salary wouldn’t be 15 one year.
The man bankrolled the AAF for 4 weeks at 15 million A WEEK. His salary wouldn’t be 15 one year.
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Because we are the Canes, and don't deserve nice things
DaveG
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I mean what can you say. The guy's a disruptor, there's going to be a bunch of people pushing back in the media. It is what it is, I won't believe a second of it from an outside source (aside from Bob McKenzie) until pen is to paper.
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