All purpose trade/roster building thread part 12

[Chrispy]

What is his status with the NCAA at this point? Isn't he playing professionally in Sweden now? If so, doesn't that kill his NCAA eligibility and his ability to "Fox" us?

I know what the rules are for signing a college player, a NA junior player, and a European player you draft.

I have no idea what the rules are for signing a college player who then signs in Europe. We're entering weird waters here.

 

[2Minutes4Surging]

What is his status with the NCAA at this point? Isn't he playing professionally in Sweden now? If so, doesn't that kill his NCAA eligibility and his ability to "Fox" us?

Yeah, I am not sure what the rules are now that he left and went overseas. I think we can still get foxed though.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Yeah, I am not sure what the rules are now that he left and went overseas. I think we can still get foxed though.

Is it the same as going from college to juniors like McLovin did?

 

[Lempo]

What is his status with the NCAA at this point? Isn't he playing professionally in Sweden now? If so, doesn't that kill his NCAA eligibility and his ability to "Fox" us?

I argue we will retain his rights by the original time table until 2022, and if he chooses to wait it out he will become a draft-related UFA.

Prospect Info: - Hurricanes select C Jack Drury #42 OA

 

[ThaiTanicDK]

Friedman mentions that the Hurricanes have interest in Frederik Andersen.

Not sure how much leafs wants for their #1 goalie for years with all the goalie stuff happening this year though.

Andersen is currently a $5 million cap hit for the Leafs.

 

[GoldiFox]

Friedman mentions that the Hurricanes have interest in Frederik Andersen.

Not sure how much leafs wants for their #1 goalie for years with all the goalie stuff happening this year though.

Andersen is currently a $5 million cap hit for the Leafs.

Canes generally trade away guys with 1 year left on their contract rather than acquire them. I don't see them adding a rental. I think they would prefer to either:
1) Ride out next year with Mrazek/Reimer who produced a 0.929 and 0.934 SV% in the Playoffs respectively
or 2) Sign one of Markstrom, Lehner, or Holtby to a more stable situation

I think Andersen's value is roughly a mid 2nd. Lehner was a considerably better rental and got a late 2nd at the TDL. If the Canes traded for Andersen I'd guess the price would be #43 or #53 Overall or a comparable prospect. Friedman has always been pretty good with Canes information so there could be something there.

The Friedman piece:

The Carolina Hurricanes have interest in Frederik Andersen, but Toronto’s made it clear it has no desire to make a move just for the sake of change. If it happens, it’s for an upgrade, which means the Maple Leafs could wait to see how a loaded group of goaltending free agents shakes out.

 

[spockBokk]

Cue the endless threads from now til the draft with Andersen for 13OA...

On a serious note, interest in Andersen was pretty easy to see. Something would be have to be done with Mrazek though. I don’t think the Canes would make a move for Andersen at the draft, unless it’s a great deal for them, without first getting a feel for the ufa goalie market to come shortly after the draft.

Edit-eesh, there’s already multiple proposals on the TOR board sending Andersen to Raleigh for their 1st back...

 

[w e l o s t b o y s]

I have little faith in that being a good deal

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Combined with LeBrun linking the team to Lehner, it looks like they’re interested in upgrading in goal.

Andersen’s bonus may have already been paid. He only makes a $1 mil in salary. Combined with the quality of the player, he’s worth trading for, if the price is right. That is not the 13th overall pick. The counterpoint will be that an extension can be part of the deal. A big money extension for a goalie that will turn 32 before the 21-22 season doesn’t add much value.

 

[MinJaBen]

Combined with LeBrun linking the team to Lehner, it looks like they’re interested in upgrading in goal.

Andersen’s bonus may have already been paid. He only makes a $1 mil in salary. Combined with the quality of the player, he’s worth trading for, if the price is right. That is not the 13th overall pick. The counterpoint will be that an extension can be part of the deal. A big money extension for a goalie that will turn 32 before the 21-22 season doesn’t add much value.

There are recent trades that make the hair on the back of my neck stand up when I hear people say the 13th is not worth "X" player. If Dundon is gunning for a cup and believes it has to happen during Aho's contract window, I wouldn't say any pick is safe.

 

[Chrispy]

Combined with LeBrun linking the team to Lehner, it looks like they’re interested in upgrading in goal.

Andersen’s bonus may have already been paid. He only makes a $1 mil in salary. Combined with the quality of the player, he’s worth trading for, if the price is right. That is not the 13th overall pick. The counterpoint will be that an extension can be part of the deal. A big money extension for a goalie that will turn 32 before the 21-22 season doesn’t add much value.

3 reasons I don't see dealing for Andersen.
A) Signing Andersen to an extension with the trade is unlike this front office. More likely they trade for Andersen as a rental (sending one of Mrazek/Reimer elsewhere) and see how it goes next year.
2) We have smoke detectors.
D) Toronto won't make the move unless/until they can acquire a goalie. So what's stopping the Borg from acquiring a goalie from the same pool? Carolina could look at trading for a PIT goalie, or signing one of the UFAs, or trading with Vancouver or Vegas if they re-sign their UFA goalies. They could even look at Keumper as a 2 year trial instead of Andersen.

Point is it's a buyer's market at goaltender this year. I don't see the Borg valuing Andersen that much more than the other options, and certainly not as high as the first they bought from Toronto.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

There are recent trades that make the hair on the back of my neck stand up when I hear people say the 13th is not worth "X" player. If Dundon is gunning for a cup and believes it has to happen during Aho's contract window, I wouldn't say any pick is safe.

Yet, the common view around these parts is that if Hamilton doesn’t take what is offered, he’s gone. The pick in question came at the expense of $6.25 mil in cap not spent on the active roster. That doesn’t point to an owner that’s all in on the now.

 

[hamzarocks]

In the case that the canes were interested in dealing for Andersen would this be a suitable deal?

Andersen to the canes for Domnik Bokk and an 2021 3rd(conditional becomes a 2nd* if Andersen resigns with the canes)

*Not sure if trading conditional picks are allowed anymore under the new CBA remember hearing about something like that before the Playoffs began. If no conditional picks can be dealt I'd do Bokk+2021 or 2020 3rd

 

[Navin R Slavin]

In the case that the canes were interested in dealing for Andersen would this be a suitable deal?

Andersen to the canes for Domnik Bokk and an 2021 3rd(conditional becomes a 2nd* if Andersen resigns with the canes)

*Not sure if trading conditional picks are allowed anymore under the new CBA remember hearing about something like that before the Playoffs began. If no conditional picks can be dealt I'd do Bokk+2021 or 2020 3rd

nope

 

[hamzarocks]

nope

Fair enough. Bokk was a pretty good prospect in 2018 draft remembered wanting him or sandin when leafs traded down. Hes B+/A- prospect which is probably to rich to deal for a rental goalie

 

[Daeavorn]

I don't see why we should trade a good prospect for Andersen. There are going to be quite a few good goalies on the market as free agents and I don't see why we should pay for a 32 year old goalie with only 1 year left.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Fair enough. Bokk was a pretty good prospect in 2018 draft remembered wanting him or sandin when leafs traded down. Hes B+/A- prospect which is probably to rich to deal for a rental goalie

your analysis is correct

(good luck to your raps btw)

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I will be as upset as passing on Lehner the first time and signing Gardiner if we give anything of value for Andersen.
Buffalo’s 2nd or higher pick
Any of the top 15 prospects.

pass on the guy and lets roll with our own inconsistent goalies

 

[GoldiFox]

Fair enough. Bokk was a pretty good prospect in 2018 draft remembered wanting him or sandin when leafs traded down. Hes B+/A- prospect which is probably to rich to deal for a rental goalie

Rental goalies just don't have much value. Especially when Friedman is saying Toronto only deals Andersen if they themselves upgrade in goal. In that case the Canes should just cut out the middle man and upgrade themselves.

 

[Vagrant]

i don't want andersen because i don't want to have to cheer for him

 

[Amadeus]

Bean for Andersen?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Bean for Andersen?

Would rather get an exempt prospect than throw him away for a rental

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I mean, if the goal is to upgrade goalies, then I think throwing money at Lehner is Plan A, and I don't think Andersen is Plan B or C. Fine goalie, but I don't think he's so much better than Mrazek/Reimer or signed to such a great deal that he's worth giving away assets for.

If we're serious about trading for a goalie, then I think it's more likely we identify a goalie we really actually want and put together a whole package of prospects. I just don't think Andersen is that guy.

 

[Amadeus]

Would rather get an exempt prospect than throw him away for a rental

I think the Leafs will start with the first rounder but then Jake Bean will eventually come in the conversation after Canes say no to trading the 13th.

Let's see.

 

[Lempo]

*Not sure if trading conditional picks are allowed anymore under the new CBA remember hearing about something like that before the Playoffs began. If no conditional picks can be dealt I'd do Bokk+2021 or 2020 3rd

There was this:

#65 "Trade Conditions Making it More Onerous for an Acquiring Club to Re-Sign a Player"

Clubs shall not be permitted to include as a condition in the Trade of a Player (“Traded Player”) from one Club (“Trading Club”) to another Club (“Acquiring Club”), a modification to the compensation exchanged between the Trading Club and the Acquiring Club, either in the event: (i) that a Club signs the Traded Player to an NHL SPC, or (ii) of the subsequent Assignment of the Traded Player by the Acquiring Club. The restriction in (i) shall only be applicable when the Traded Player has a current or future NHL SPC at the time of the Trade.

I think the main issue was the conditions with which the Trading Club tried preventing the Acquiring Club from trading a player back to the same conference, and they went a bit gun-happy.