Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[tbcwpg]

We trade scheifele to Boston and in a compete now year we have 0 players with top 6 Cs with experience. Not to mention the obvious losing 40+ goals and one of our top play makers. I don't think Scheifele gets traded.

Well, you don't want to be in the mushy middle.

See, the plan is to "re-tool" by trading players with value who won't stay for younger players with less value and picks, and then in 2 to 3 years time you trade those young players for picks and younger players and just repeat the cycle of being not good enough to contend but not bad enough to be a bottom dweller. You stay right in that mid tier and never go for it if your team might be good enough to be a contender because then you won't get value. Also, teams will definitely offer what fans think the value is and by not moving those players, you've missed out on these returns that were absolutely there in the summer.

You ESPECIALLY don't want to let expiring UFAs leave without moving them at the deadline no matter where you are in the standings, because while the people you pay millions of dollars to play the sport might be upset with you, the fan buying tickets on FansFirst for ST face value will understand you're playing the long game of cycling assets and this "playoffs" stuff is not the real end goal of the NHL, it's extracting trade value from expiring contracts.

 

[JetsFan815]

That's not why people said that, at least not me, but sure.

I don't begrudge a player doing what's under the CBA to play where he wants. College draft picks have done it. Andrew Copp did the same strategy of signing short deals towards UFA. Trouba did it.

I don't care if guys wanna hit UFA... PLD on the other hand would half ass many games while here (and did the same in Columbus). That is not what Copp or Trouba did.

 

[tbcwpg]

I don't care if guys wanna hit UFA... PLD on the other hand would half ass many games while here (and did the same in Columbus). That is not what Copp or Trouba did.

He didn't, he played through a hip injury if the end of season pressers are to be believed. Also weird to single him out specifically when the entire team disappeared for games on end.

 

[Cnile]

Honestly this kind of "reporting" is getting entrely pathetic. Someone posts a "thought" or a "musing" about something, and then some other hack, or teenager in their basement with a website writes an "article" based on that thought but then turns it into a "rumor", somehow trying to add legitimacy.
But what makes it worse, is that then other sites and other hacks start using that bogus article as "fact", and now you have a pyramid of articles based off of nothing, but because of the amount of articles (from sites basically just hunting for clicks), it gives the illusion of legitimacy.


The entire premise of the article which is that the Bruins prefer Lindholm over Scheifele is based off of a thought by Billick (which he doesn't say is based on any information).

"It’s possible Boston could enter the picture at some point. They likely have their eyes focused on what Elias Lindholm decides in Calgary first."

First paragraph.

This universally applies to most media.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

The Billeck thing is getting out of hand... he did NOTHING wrong.

'Boston could enter the picture at some point. They likely have their eyes focused on what Elias Lindholm decides in Calgary first.'

Its a bit part of the original article and like no shit Boston is waiting to see if another C is on the market... then everyone twists it that Boston is 'out' on Scheif... crazy days

 

[Huffer]

Don't think it happens but Scheif would be a nice fit in Ottawa... but play him at 1RW - just not sure what they have to offer

I'd be interested in a package with Pinto if they were interested in MS.

The Billeck thing is getting out of hand... he did NOTHING wrong.

'Boston could enter the picture at some point. They likely have their eyes focused on what Elias Lindholm decides in Calgary first.'

Its a bit part of the original article and like no shit Boston is waiting to see if another C is on the market... then everyone twists it that Boston is 'out' on Scheif... crazy days

Agreed. Here's another website that's taken his thought and made it fact: Bruins Reportedly Prefer Lindholm Trade Over Scheifele Deal

 

[KingBogo]

I'd be interested in a package with Pinto if they were interested in MS.


Agreed. Here's another website that's taken his thought and made it fact: Bruins Reportedly Prefer Lindholm Trade Over Scheifele Deal

I hear you Huffer all these so called articles are not worth the effort to click and read as they add no substance to the discussion. At least HF poster speculation tends to be more informed about team needs than most of these various sites reporting trade rumours.

 

[DRW204]

He was deployed at center his entire first year in the AHL. I watched near every game.

O ok. For some reason I thought I remembered him being listed as wing next to suess or someone else (Nathan Todd?) quite a bit, but was years ago now so will defer to someone else.

 

[surixon]

O ok. For some reason I thought I remembered him being listed as wing next to suess or someone else (Nathan Todd?) quite a bit, but was years ago now so will defer to someone else.

Seuss did play at times with him but took the wing slot. Likely wanted a vet who could play center on his line to help him make the adjustment.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

The Billeck thing is getting out of hand... he did NOTHING wrong.

'Boston could enter the picture at some point. They likely have their eyes focused on what Elias Lindholm decides in Calgary first.'

Its a bit part of the original article and like no shit Boston is waiting to see if another C is on the market... then everyone twists it that Boston is 'out' on Scheif... crazy days

It is my belief that Boston has never been "in" on Scheifele. I think that's the product of some hockey writers' imaginations. Boston losing a top C? Chevy looking to trade 55? It's obvious! Click me! Click me!

I just don't see the Boston culture having any desire for a lazy, offence only forward. That's why they passed on KFC not once... not twice... but three times! Of course they want Lindholm. In 21-22, the guy was a +61 compared to Scheif's -17. Scheif would be oil to Boston's water. Never mixing in, just floating around on the surface.

In fact, I don't think there is any interest in Scheifele right now from anyone, certainly not at Chevy's markup and probably even if he was bargain binned for quick sale before the best before date. I think Scheif is starting to read the writing on the wall (or more accurately, someone is reading it to him). He's not going to get his dream UFA contract anywhere but here, which is why I'm expecting to be hurled into a black hole of depression and rage with an extension announcement rather than seeing the words I have longed to read...

Confirmed with Link: Mark Scheifele traded to...

/rant

 

[DRW204]

Well, you don't want to be in the mushy middle.

See, the plan is to "re-tool" by trading players with value who won't stay for younger players with less value and picks, and then in 2 to 3 years time you trade those young players for picks and younger players and just repeat the cycle of being not good enough to contend but not bad enough to be a bottom dweller. You stay right in that mid tier and never go for it if your team might be good enough to be a contender because then you won't get value. Also, teams will definitely offer what fans think the value is and by not moving those players, you've missed out on these returns that were absolutely there in the summer.

You ESPECIALLY don't want to let expiring UFAs leave without moving them at the deadline no matter where you are in the standings, because while the people you pay millions of dollars to play the sport might be upset with you, the fan buying tickets on FansFirst for ST face value will understand you're playing the long game of cycling assets and this "playoffs" stuff is not the real end goal of the NHL, it's extracting trade value from expiring contracts.

I actually do think the Jets should've gone rebuild. But it seems to be pointing they're not at this point. So given that, the ideas of trading scheifele are far fetched imo.

 

[KingBogo]

Agreed. Once they acquired Dubois my guess is the focus shifted to getting him NHL ready for a top 6 role.

Now that we are down Dubois and possibly Scheifele in under a year they are looking to shift gears again.

I am curious how the roster plays out. If we keep Scheifele I’d like to see what the plan is for the #2 C. Or does Bones believe he has enough depth to balance out the lineup to have 3 lines that can score and try both Perfetti and Valardi at center. Then have Lowry as the 4th line C.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

It is my belief that Boston has never been "in" on Scheifele. I think that's the product of some hockey writers' imaginations. Boston losing a top C? Chevy looking to trade 55? It's obvious! Click me! Click me!

I just don't see the Boston culture having any desire for a lazy, offence only forward. That's why they passed on KFC not once... not twice... but three times! Of course they want Lindholm. In 21-22, the guy was a +61 compared to Scheif's -17. Scheif would be oil to Boston's water. Never mixing in, just floating around on the surface.

In fact, I don't think there is any interest in Scheifele right now from anyone, certainly not at Chevy's markup and probably even if he was bargain binned for quick sale before the best before date. I think Scheif is starting to read the writing on the wall (or more accurately, someone is reading it to him). He's not going to get his dream UFA contract anywhere but here, which is why I'm expecting to be hurled into a black hole of depression and rage with an extension announcement rather than seeing the words I have longed to read...

Confirmed with Link: Mark Scheifele traded to...

/rant

They signed and re-signed Taylor Hall...

And, ummm, they also passed on Chabot and Barzal three times...

Personally, I'd take Lindholm over Scheif because he's a better 2 way forward and face-off guy - BUT Boston desperately needs a scoring touch so I'd say its a toss up

 

[tbcwpg]

I actually do think the Jets should've gone rebuild. But it seems to be pointing they're not at this point. So given that, the ideas of trading scheifele are far fetched imo.

I think a team in a market like Winnipeg should avoid rebuilding as long as possible, but I'd rather go with that tactic than this "re-tool" nonsense. The moves they've made have made them a better team now than last year, in my opinion, so to ruin that by trading your 40+ goal C and/or your top end goalie seems like one step forward, two back to me.

I'd agree, I don't think Scheifele is going anywhere at this point, at least this season.

 

[surixon]

I am curious how the roster plays out. If we keep Scheifele I’d like to see what the plan is for the #2 C. Or does Bones believe he has enough depth to balance out the lineup to have 3 lines that can score and try both Perfetti and Valardi at center. Then have Lowry as the 4th line C.

That would be ideal as we very well may need both to take top 6 C roles in 24/25. I have a hard time seeing the org demote Lowry though.

I could see something like the below in the 3 scoring line situation:

Namestnikov Scheifele Ehlers
Conner Perfetti Nino
Iaffalo Vilardi Kupri
Barron Lowry Appelton

 

[KingBogo]

That would be ideal as we very well may need both to take top 6 C roles in 24/25. I have a hard time seeing the org demote Lowry though.

I could see something like the below in the 3 scoring line situation:

Namestnikov Scheifele Ehlers
Conner Perfetti Nino
Iaffalo Vilardi Kupri
Barron Lowry Appelton

Yeah think there is a few ways you can configure the lines and circumstances will no doubt lead to multiple line mixing. But I think we would be well served to start building our center depth as Scheifele, Perfetti, Valardi and Lowry.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

That would be ideal as we very well may need both to take top 6 C roles in 24/25. I have a hard time seeing the org demote Lowry though.

I could see something like the below in the 3 scoring line situation:

Namestnikov Scheifele Ehlers
Conner Perfetti Nino
Iaffalo Vilardi Kupri
Barron Lowry Appelton

Connor Vilardi Scheif
Ehlers Names Nino
Iafallo Perfetti Apples
Barron Lowry Kupari

 

[gojetsgo]

Connor Vilardi Scheif
Ehlers Names Nino
Iafallo Perfetti Apples
Barron Lowry Kupari

if scheifele is still here he is the only one in the top six that is guaranteed to play center

 

[surixon]

Connor Vilardi Scheif
Ehlers Names Nino
Iafallo Perfetti Apples
Barron Lowry Kupari

I think you need to put a one shot scorer with Cole to maximize his playmaking. It's why I'd have him with one of Conner/Nino atleast. Iafallo and Appelton serve the same function on the line, only need one of them.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

if scheifele is still here he is the only one in the top six that is guaranteed to play center

Ive stated many times I believe in the platooning plan like we did with PLD and Scheif... I also think Scheif is not a 1C but is a 1RW - let the guy score and be happy

That being said, if Scheif is our 1C for the next 7 years - Jets are in a world of trouble

 

[10Ducky10]

Perfetti Scheif Nino
Connor Vilardi Kup
Ehlers Names Iafallo
Barron Lowry Apples

 

[KingBogo]

if scheifele is still here he is the only one in the top six that is guaranteed to play center

That pretty much goes without saying. Though I would like to see both Perfetti and Valardi given opportunity to develop as centers behind him.

 

[KingBogo]

I think you need to put a one shot scorer with Cole to maximize his playmaking. It's why I'd have him with one of Conner/Nino atleast. Iafallo and Appelton serve the same function on the line, only need one of them.

Most definitely a scorer with Perfetti. Perfetti has the potential to be an elite playmaker. I wonder if there is a fit with Connor?

 

[surixon]

Most definitely a scorer with Perfetti. Perfetti has the potential to be an elite playmaker. I wonder if there is a fit with Connor?

They looked good together his first year but didn't play much together last year. They would definitely need a digger to win pucks on their line and cause havoc infront of the net.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

Teams can re-tool themselves into a rebuild. Jet appear deeper this year, but I don't think they are better overall. As things stand, the team better be better defensively overall because it looks like they will be no better than 17-22nd in goals for this upcoming season.