Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[Huffer]

So, if I'm chevy... I'm definitely calling about Lindholm

Considering the usual price for a pure rental is 1st + B prospect, I'm wondering who all y'all are comfortable paying as the "B prospect?

If I'm calgary, I'm probably asking for guys in this order:

1. Rutger
2. Lambert
3. Heinola
4. Barlow
5. Lucious
6. Chibs
7. Zhilkin

So... where do you draw the line? For me, 1 - 4 are off the table

Thoughts?

1-4 plus Salo and Chibs for me are off the table (as we're already dealing our 1st).

 

[Mooche]

I'm in the same boat as a lot of other posters on this.

It really depends on what kind of player we are talking in return, but for me, Rutger, Salomonsson, Barlow, Lambert, Chibrikov are likely off the table. Lucius is tricky for me. I find him in sort of between the A/B tier, not based on skill, obviously, but just based on injury history now becoming a reoccurring theme with him. The best ability is availability.

I think between Zhilkin, Wagner, Rashevsky, etc. The Jets have plenty of ammo in the "B" tier of prospects to get a deal done for a rental, anyways.

Between the B prospects, the D stuck in the logjam (Chis, Stanley, etc.) and the Jets holding their key draft capital, plus the Montreal 2nd in 2024, they are in really good shape to make a play on somebody they covet in the coming months.

 

[Flair Hay]

I'm in the same boat as a lot of other posters on this.

It really depends on what kind of player we are talking in return, but for me, Rutger, Salomonsson, Barlow, Lambert, Chibrikov are likely off the table. Lucius is tricky for me. I find him in sort of between the A/B tier, not based on skill, obviously, but just based on injury history now becoming a reoccurring theme with him. The best ability is availability.

I think between Zhilkin, Wagner, Rashevsky, etc. The Jets have plenty of ammo in the "B" tier of prospects to get a deal done for a rental, anyways.

Between the B prospects, the D stuck in the logjam (Chis, Stanley, etc.) and the Jets holding their key draft capital, plus the Montreal 2nd in 2024, they are in really good shape to make a play on somebody they covet in the coming months.

Yeah Chevy has never dealt anything we would consider an A prospect before. I don't think ever?

I can see him moving a pick. But not anyone he considers a part of future plans.

I can see other teams being more desperate than us, but we definitely have more ammo.

Last year the big dogs like ROR that went for a 1st had another depth piece added in to balance the deals. I'm confident Chevy can make the right deal as we ave better pieces and more cap space than any other top 10 team.

 

[Mooche]

Yeah Chevy has never dealt anything we would consider an A prospect before. I don't think ever?

I can see him moving a pick. But not anyone he considers a part of future plans.

I can see other teams being more desperate than us, but we definitely have more ammo.

Last year the big dogs like ROR that went for a 1st had another depth piece added in to balance the deals. I'm confident Chevy can make the right deal as we ave better pieces and more cap space than any other top 10 team.

I think that has been a huge calling card for the squad for a long time.

Granted, I think that ideally should be the case being a team centered around "draft and develop" -- even though you can argue it has gotten them into trouble not being able to fully capitalize on certain prospects' value in the past.

Chevy and co. certainly have shown to stay committed to their own top prospects in the pipe and definitely has shown a desire move picks out before players.

We are however entering a pretty unique situation with just how strong this squad has been.

The ammo you alluded to, especially in the context of the Jets' competition, is what will make the next few months very interesting.

The Jets are not really limited to avoiding certain discussions because they have the assets/picks to entertain anything they feel is going to help lead them on a deep playoff run. Whether they eventually pull the trigger remains to be seen, but they are definitely dealing from a good position if they choose to do so.

 

[ello]

Lucius would've been my number 1 trade chip before his surgery. Hopefully GM's still give him a shot, can't imagine there's too many higher end prospects available for trade at the deadline.

Doubt guys like Wagner and Zhilikin have too much value as of right now, they feel more like C prospects. Rashevsky is the main B prospect in my eyes but the whole Russia thing makes him a huge wild card. Heinola and Chisholm slide in here for me too.

McG is untouchable for me (and probably Salo) and anyone other A prospect would require an insanely good deal, like main boards declaring that we robbed the other team type of deal for me to consider moving on from.

Props to Chevy for his drafting chops tho. Having debatably 6 A prospects (Lambert, McG, Barlow, Chib, Salo, Lucius) is very impressive considering none were picked in the first half of the first round)

 

[WolfHouse]

So last year Horvat - the most comparable to Lindholm - went for

1st, Raty (still in the A) and Beauvillier (worth a 5th round pick this year...)

So 1st, one of Kupari/Stan/Barron and probably Chib

It would be a work of art to get Lindhom for Kupari and Montreal's 2nd though

 

[kanadalainen]

No thanks

He'll bring the limelight here

Is that what they call syphillis these days?

 

[MardyBum]

So last year Horvat - the most comparable to Lindholm - went for

1st, Raty (still in the A) and Beauvillier (worth a 5th round pick this year...)

So 1st, one of Kupari/Stan/Barron and probably Chib

It would be a work of art to get Lindhom for Kupari and Montreal's 2nd though

Horvat was having a pretty crazy year while even the slow media has caught on that Lindholm hasn't had a great year so far.

Maybe he just doesn't fit with Huska's system?

 

[10Ducky10]

Does Chibs have any D to his game?

 

[WolfHouse]

Does Chibs have any D to his game?

Cue the awkward 3 page Inanna Stumbledore conversation...

 

[KingBogo]

It was moved away from way too quickly and we are paying for it now having to dress NHL/AHL tweeners at C in our top 9. If I were the GM I would have insisted a minimum 20 game trial period.

We are now going to be forced to part with some key assets to plug what is clearly the biggest weakness on the team heading into the playoffs. This is the drawback to NHL coaches taking a way to short term view on things.

This is a good discussion as a few of the pieces don't seem to fit together. Before camp Chevy says that Perfetti was drafted as a center and the implication is he would be given every chance to take on the #2 center role. He started the season there and was doing well on the defensive side, but the offense was lagging. This would/should have been expected of a young center learning the ropes. However, Bones was very quick to pull the trigger and move him back to wing. Perfetti's offense did pick up on wing which again would/should have been expected without the increased defensive responsibilities of a center. Since then there has been no effort, even with injuries, to give him another shot at center. To me it seems like there is either a disconnect between Chevy and Bones on the role they see Perfetti playing in the organization. Or the organization has decided on him being a winger and believe they have or can get a player for the #2 position.

 

[surixon]

This is a good discussion as a few of the pieces don't seem to fit together. Before camp Chevy says that Perfetti was drafted as a center and the implication is he would be given every chance to take on the #2 center role. He started the season there and was doing well on the defensive side, but the offense was lagging. This would/should have been expected of a young center learning the ropes. However, Bones was very quick to pull the trigger and move him back to wing. Perfetti's offense did pick up on wing which again would/should have been expected without the increased defensive responsibilities of a center. Since then there has been no effort, even with injuries, to give him another shot at center. To me it seems like there is either a disconnect between Chevy and Bones on the role they see Perfetti playing in the organization. Or the organization has decided on him being a winger and believe they have or can get a player for the #2 position.

I think it's more likely Bones convinced Chevy to defer it a year. Perfetti was still routinely taking draws whenever Name got kicked out until his rist injury a couple weeks back. He also played C the few games Namestnikov missed in November i believe.

Center is a massive need for the org, I can't see Chevy pulling the plug on his plans for Cole after only a small handful of games.

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[WolfHouse]

Weird mix since half those teams are out of the playoffs

 

[LowLefty]

This is a good discussion as a few of the pieces don't seem to fit together. Before camp Chevy says that Perfetti was drafted as a center and the implication is he would be given every chance to take on the #2 center role. He started the season there and was doing well on the defensive side, but the offense was lagging. This would/should have been expected of a young center learning the ropes. However, Bones was very quick to pull the trigger and move him back to wing. Perfetti's offense did pick up on wing which again would/should have been expected without the increased defensive responsibilities of a center. Since then there has been no effort, even with injuries, to give him another shot at center. To me it seems like there is either a disconnect between Chevy and Bones on the role they see Perfetti playing in the organization. Or the organization has decided on him being a winger and believe they have or can get a player for the #2 position.

I think the major consideration is that the org would love to have Cole run the second line at C - but he might not be ready. This is top 6 we are talkjng about here.
This would have been a lot easier if they had moved him down the lineup - but the 4th line is the only real opportunity and that isn't likely where Cole wants to be - or the org wants him to develop. His strengths (playmaking / hockey head) would be wasted down there and Cole would likely be frustrated with a role that requires more D than O.
So, the challenge is more about him settling in with the league and building his game to support a top 6 center spot - that's not an easy ask and I'd expect it to take more time (and preparation via playing the wing) than maybe some would like.
He's a great player but (IMO) is still not physically strong enough to play the hard two way game our centers are asked to play - and he needs to work on his speed which would also help him a ton in transitioning.

This won't go over well with some but this org is not out to get him or stifle his career - they just want him to be ready and they want to win. The fact that he is not a good candidate for 4th line duty where he could learn the trade and grow, is probably hurting him the most.

 

[KingBogo]

I think it's more likely Bones convinced Chevy to defer it a year. Perfetti was still routinely taking draws whenever Name got kicked out until his rist injury a couple weeks back. He also played C the few games Namestnikov missed in November i believe.

Center is a massive need for the org, I can't see Chevy pulling the plug on his plans for Cole after only a small handful of games.

That is why I suggested that maybe the organization sees another long term center option over Perfetti? Maybe they see one of their prospects as the the better fit as a center. Possible Lambert because of his speed? Not sure, but it is starting to look like Perfetti is going to be a winger in the NHL. Lack of speed seems to have ruled out Vilardi for the center position.

 

[surixon]

That is why I suggested that maybe the organization sees another long term center option over Perfetti? Maybe they see one of their prospects as the the better fit as a center. Possible Lambert because of his speed? Not sure, but it is starting to look like Perfetti is going to be a winger in the NHL. Lack of speed seems to have ruled out Vilardi for the center position.

Very possible, but I have a hard time believing that decision could have possibly been made a week into the season. The AHL hadn't even started by then to see how Lambert would do.

But we will just have to wait and see what unfolds moving forward. I think the main point still stands that getting a C at the deadline is a must though.

 

[surixon]

I think the major consideration is that the org would love to have Cole run the second line at C - but he might not be ready. This is top 6 we are talkjng about here.
This would have been a lot easier if they had moved him down the lineup - but the 4th line is the only real opportunity and that isn't likely where Cole wants to be - or the org wants him to develop. His strengths (playmaking / hockey head) would be wasted down there and Cole would likely be frustrated with a role that requires more D than O.
So, the challenge is more about him settling in with the league and building his game to support a top 6 center spot - that's not an easy ask and I'd expect it to take more time (and preparation via playing the wing) than maybe some would like.
He's a great player but (IMO) is still not physically strong enough to play the hard two way game our centers are asked to play - and he needs to work on his speed which would also help him a ton in transitioning.

This won't go over well with some but this org is not out to get him or stifle his career - they just want him to be ready and they want to win. The fact that he is not a good candidate for 4th line duty where he could learn the trade and grow, is probably hurting him the most.

Maybe we should take Bones at face value on this one. When making the switch he referenced lack of games and alluded to confidence. He clearly stated Cole was being too hard on himself and maybe he moved him over more so to get him confident in his offensive portion. Probably didn't help that Fly was behind the 8ball due to missing all of camp.

The team then caught fire so as most any coach would do he chose not to make significant roster changes. My guess is he would he playing C right now if his wrist was 100% much as he filled in at C earlier in the year when Namestnikov missed a couple of games.

 

[KingBogo]

Very possible, but I have a hard time believing that decision could have possibly been made a week into the season. The AHL hadn't even started by then to see how Lambert would do.

But we will just have to wait and see what unfolds moving forward. I think the main point still stands that getting a C at the deadline is a must though.

Agreed Scheifele going down has brought home the point that we probably need to upgrade the #2 center position.

 

[ello]

I love Perfetti and everything that he brings to the table but I can’t help but wonder how effective he’d be at C considering he’s a slow-ish sub six foot player who’s not exactly physical to begin with.

Don’t get me wrong, his skills and IQ are through the roof and could lend him the abillity to make it work as a center. I just don’t see many centres in the league with his archetype (Connor Bedard? I’ve heard Aho thrown around but in my eyes he’s got more of a buzz saw forechecking and puck carrying game than Perfetti does) and I wonder if that’s what’s holding the coaching staff back.

 

[KingBogo]

I love Perfetti and everything that he brings to the table but I can’t help but wonder how effective he’d be at C considering he’s a slow-ish sub six foot player who’s not exactly physical to begin with.

Don’t get me wrong, his skills and IQ are through the roof and could lend him the abillity to make it work as a center. I just don’t see many centres in the league with his archetype and I wonder if that’s what’s holding the coaching staff back.

That’s a fair comment. It is really hard to get a feel on what the organization’s plans are. The TDL might give us an idea if they try to fill the #2 C role beyond a rental.

 

[LowLefty]

Maybe we should take Bones at face value on this one. When making the switch he referenced lack of games and alluded to confidence. He clearly stated Cole was being too hard on himself and maybe he moved him over more so to get him confident in his offensive portion. Probably didn't help that Fly was behind the 8ball due to missing all of camp.

The team then caught fire so as most any coach would do he chose not to make significant roster changes. My guess is he would he playing C right now if his wrist was 100% much as he filled in at C earlier in the year when Namestnikov missed a couple of games.

I'd buy that as another possibility

 

[SM]

Anyone with an Athletic sub able to share Murat’s 6 trade targets?

 

[MardyBum]

Anyone with an Athletic sub able to share Murat’s 6 trade targets?

Think it was Mittelstadt, Schmaltz, Giroux, Chychrun, Konecny and Mathieu Joseph?

 

[Whileee]

I think the Jets should only consider moving a top prospect if it fills a key roster position for a bit of term. If you are moving a player like Lambert, then it has to be in a package for a top forward / C with some term (like Lindholm-extended, maybe Schmaltz, etc.). If you are moving a young D like Heinola, it needs to be for a D with term that can play that role (Chychrun, or maybe Sean Walker extended).

If the Jets are just looking at a pure rental, then I think the price is not more than a pick (1st or 2nd) along with a lower-level prospect like Rashevsky, Zhilkin, Julien, etc.