All Purpose Mitch Marner Talk II
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If anyone could throw up 2pts per game it’s Mitch but the league is too tough now. Anything over 1.25 per game would be fantastic.
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Just for reference points Draisaitl the league scoring leader and MVP last season put up 110 points in 71 games @ 1.55 points per game rate with McDavid 2nd at 1.52 PPG.
You're projecting Marner @ 2 PPG at a rate no player in the NHL comes close to matching. Even at 1.25 PPG that would put top 6 in NHL scoring based on last year. Marner's salary and AAV pays him like a 1.5 PPG player and among the league leaders however.
PS. In Kucherov's 2018-19 breakout year where he put up 128 points in 82 games that was only 1.56 PPG rate as Hart trophy winner.
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Based on league scoring rates the past 2 seasons a rate of 1.25 PPG puts a player among the elite scorers and top 5-6 overall scoring leaders.
The difference between Marner and other players is those stars are also goal scorers as well as playmakers where they put up 35-50 goals a year as part of that 1.25 PPG.
Marner scored 16 goals last year and his career best is 26. That makes his points ratio about 25% goals and 75% assists which means for Marner to put up league best PPG rates he requires Matthews, Tavares and others to produce lots of goals off his passes that fuel his assists and therefore drive his point totals. He isn't self sufficient to drive his own point totals. If AM or JT missed time then Marner's stats would drop relative to missing his finishers.
For reference Draisaitl with 82 games 50 goals 55 assists 105 points = 1.28 PPG (2018-19 stats) So you're looking at a 25 goal 75 assist 100 point full season = 1.22 PPG rate. [just below 1.25 PPG rate]
Very few players put up 75 assists in a season so you're looking at the very best where in fact only 2 players total in the last 5 NHL seasons combined 2015 -2020 totaled +75 assists McDavid and Kucherov and they only did it 1 time during their Art Ross league scoring leader seasons. So the odds would not be high if those were expectations based on past stats.
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I wouldnt be surprised if marner ups his goal scoring. He's to skilled to not score at least 30 over a full 82 games.
30 goals + 70 assists for 100 points in 82 is definitely reachable for marner.
If they played 82 games he would get 100. Mitch can win an Art Ross. But they won't play that many games. He can still win the Art Ross though.
Remember how everyone said how bad he played last year? 93 point pace...
Remember how everyone said how bad he played last year? 93 point pace...
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Top 5 wingers in the NHL's proposed all-Canadian division
Surprised they both didn't take Marner as #1.
Surprised they both didn't take Marner as #1.
Mess your game knowledge is good....your reply non toxic.....your posts not perfect nor are anyones..views vary...but good.....So only one thing to do...start classes for the mods out in the Ny area teams...because everything you are they lack....But thats why your Global Mod i guess.
Holy heavens is he useless.
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Why is that? Dont give me playoff production b/c tkachuck makes big 3 look like Crosby/Malkin/Ovy come playoff time with him becoming irrelevant in his teams offense. 5 pts in 15 playoff games. For a guy with an identity of being a player whose game is built for the playoffs he seems really easy to lock up for opposing teams defenses.
His regular season production is also a lot behind Marner's and he has been lower in all NHL team voting both of these past 2 years. Marner hasnt made one yet but has been 3rd and 5th for RW voting past two years vs Tkachuk who has zero votes at left wing(a much weaker position)
I'd actually love to see Nylander shipped out for Tkachuk plus whatever else is required.. MT - AM - MM line would be devastating. To be fair.. I'd also like WN - AM - MM over JT as the go to line.
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Marner is one of the players on this team, who really needs to step it up this season, and be a team leader. I don't mean put up a lot of points, the kid is going to do that. All three of these kids, Matthews, Marner, Nylander, this is their big year, to show they really want to compete. We've seen it with Matthews more often, Nylander not being consistent, and Marner some of the same....
We've had quite a bit of time off, and Marner is a gym rat, and a strong kid, despite being small.... he's good on the PK, but we need someone good in the dot. I'd hope the kid is working on that, because if he can be decent at faceoffs, it really adds a dimension we could use. I also hope that he is working on his shot, he really does need to become a better shooter.
Marner is paid at MVP level, it's time to be that guy. He's been good, but it's really time to elevate that game, and I think he can. It's a lot to expect of him, but this kid is a winner.
He was a key reason that London won the Memorial Cup in 2016, and won the scoring title, and MVP there.
I know off topic, but Matthews won the MVP and scoring title for the WJC-18 in 2015... another kid who has been a leader for a winner.
In 2017, Nylander won the MVP, as Sweden won the World Cup, tied for the most goals, and easily lead Sweden in scoring, another kid, who has been a leader for a winner.
See where this is going? Which one of these guys, have you seen really step it up for us, in the playoffs... well, it's pretty much a zero so far. The NHL isn't WJC-18, or Memorial Cup, or WC... it's much harder and tougher, but these guys have that drive in them, and it's time to utilize that at the NHL level. If these guys fully engage, and commit themselves, along with the added veteran leadership, this team is very much a contender... but, they haven't done that yet. I hope this added time off, and the bitter defeat AGAIN, in the playoffs drives them. Winners hate losing, and do whatever is necessary to win.
I don't care about 1 ppg, or 1.5 ppg. I care about him playing at another level, that leads to this team winning. At times that is scoring, and at times that is just doing whatever is necessary to make this team better. These three guys in particular, are the ones to make this happen, or not.
We've had quite a bit of time off, and Marner is a gym rat, and a strong kid, despite being small.... he's good on the PK, but we need someone good in the dot. I'd hope the kid is working on that, because if he can be decent at faceoffs, it really adds a dimension we could use. I also hope that he is working on his shot, he really does need to become a better shooter.
Marner is paid at MVP level, it's time to be that guy. He's been good, but it's really time to elevate that game, and I think he can. It's a lot to expect of him, but this kid is a winner.
He was a key reason that London won the Memorial Cup in 2016, and won the scoring title, and MVP there.
I know off topic, but Matthews won the MVP and scoring title for the WJC-18 in 2015... another kid who has been a leader for a winner.
In 2017, Nylander won the MVP, as Sweden won the World Cup, tied for the most goals, and easily lead Sweden in scoring, another kid, who has been a leader for a winner.
See where this is going? Which one of these guys, have you seen really step it up for us, in the playoffs... well, it's pretty much a zero so far. The NHL isn't WJC-18, or Memorial Cup, or WC... it's much harder and tougher, but these guys have that drive in them, and it's time to utilize that at the NHL level. If these guys fully engage, and commit themselves, along with the added veteran leadership, this team is very much a contender... but, they haven't done that yet. I hope this added time off, and the bitter defeat AGAIN, in the playoffs drives them. Winners hate losing, and do whatever is necessary to win.
I don't care about 1 ppg, or 1.5 ppg. I care about him playing at another level, that leads to this team winning. At times that is scoring, and at times that is just doing whatever is necessary to make this team better. These three guys in particular, are the ones to make this happen, or not.
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yeah hard time seeing them move him for pretty much anything unless it’s a 1c or 1d which wouldn’t be offered. Nylander would be a hang up the phone and marner they’d ask for so much with him or wouldn’t be worth it, he is a really good mix of a player
Mickey Marner
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Tkachuk would IMO be the the most optimal winger for this team. He brings everything we need and has chemistry with both Matthews and Marner. Maybe in a few years from now once he's a pending UFA we could scoop him up, but I doubt Calgary let's him go willingly.
kk87
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Marner is in an entirely different tier than either Tkachuk. People need to get a grip
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