Speculation: All Purpose LA Kings 2013-14 Trade Speculation/Rumors Part V

[Reclamation Project]

I'd argue Robidas is better than Regehr who we paid two second rounders for.

But different year, different market I suppose.

Regehr, regardless of what anyone thinks, was healthy, had connections to our coach, and had a very high likelihood of re-signing.

Sure Dean overpaid a bit for him both times, but given the market conditions, I'm sure he felt it was necessary.

Robidas hasn't played a game in months, is already 37, and who knows when he'll play next or how long he'll last. I personally would NEVER give a fourth for that scenario. Ever.

 

[damacles1156]

You just don't get huge pieces for Goalies. Teams seem to not want to pay high prices for Goalies.

I think Colorado was the last team in a decade to pay a high price.

 

[Herby]

Well you do have to give them credit. They have some amazing contracts on their roster.

Cogs is going to score 25-28 goals this season (all at ES), while playing his usual excellent defensive game. Bonino has really emerged as well. Compare those guys to Williams and Richards (each teams 3rd and 4th scorers) and they have outproduced them, played better all around hockey and done it for $3.6 million while our guys are doing it for over 9 million.

That is definitely an issue with the Kings, outside of Dwight King, there really isn't a massive bargain on the roster. Toffoli is probably the next biggest.

 

[CNS]

That is definitely an issue with the Kings, outside of Dwight King, there really isn't a massive bargain on the roster.

Baggage of winning the cup. Hard to stay competitive without being up against the cap. Ducks went through rough times to get some good prospects. In a few years, their guys will all get their raises and they'll be the ones in cap trouble. Welcome to the cycle of the NHL.

 

[damacles1156]

Well you do have to give them credit. They have some amazing contracts on their roster.

Cogs is going to score 25-28 goals this season (all at ES), while playing his usual excellent defensive game. Bonino has really emerged as well. Compare those guys to Williams and Richards (each teams 3rd and 4th scorers) and they have outproduced them, played better all around hockey and done it for $3.6 million while our guys are doing it for over 9 million.

That is definitely an issue with the Kings, outside of Dwight King, there really isn't a massive bargain on the roster.

I would Take Williams Track record over both those guys, Cogs finally has had a decent season.

Williams cap hit is just fine.

Richards is another story, but if Richards shows up again in the playoff's like the last two years. I wont care about his reg season.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

Well you do have to give them credit. They have some amazing contracts on their roster.

Cogs is going to score 25-28 goals this season (all at ES), while playing his usual excellent defensive game. Bonino has really emerged as well. Compare those guys to Williams and Richards (each teams 3rd and 4th scorers) and they have outproduced them, played better all around hockey and done it for $3.6 million while our guys are doing it for over 9 million.

That is definitely an issue with the Kings, outside of Dwight King, there really isn't a massive bargain on the roster. Toffoli is probably the next biggest.

This is also why I'm so against trading Toffoli. You can't have a team full of guys making 4 and 5 million dollars, you must get production from guys on cheap contracts or ELC's.

 

[damacles1156]

Baggage of winning the cup. Hard to stay competitive without being up against the cap. Ducks went through rough times to get some good prospects. In a few years, their guys will all get their raises and they'll be the ones in cap trouble. Welcome to the cycle of the NHL.

Spot on, Everyone was praising Lombardi for how he has NO NTC/NMC and the cap work he has done.

Then the League lowers the cap and crappy teams got buy out's. All of sudden Lombardi miss managed the cap...

Say What ?

Also ANH is going to have to dole out raises for all these guys having career years.

ANH also has an internal cap, they may not even be allowed (owner) to spend all the cap space.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Dean handled his space just fine. The NHL simply rewarded GMs who did a ****** job, while punishing ones who were very analytical (DL).

This is also why I'm so against trading Toffoli. You can't have a team full of guys making 4 and 5 million dollars, you must get production from guys on cheap contracts or ELC's.

One of many reasons.

 

[Ron*]

This is exactly why I said STL won the Miller deal. Halak won't get dealt and if he does, it'll be for a weak return. You banked on flipping him and Stewart and now you might not be able to. Not the best start for other other Murray in Buffalo.

I'm not impressed. Dude says he doesn't want to do a five-year rebuilding plan in Buffalo and that is exactly what he needs to do.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Would be pretty sweat if Dean swung a deal out of left field and brought in Evander Kane.

 

[Telos]

Well you do have to give them credit. They have some amazing contracts on their roster.

Cogs is going to score 25-28 goals this season (all at ES), while playing his usual excellent defensive game. Bonino has really emerged as well. Compare those guys to Williams and Richards (each teams 3rd and 4th scorers) and they have outproduced them, played better all around hockey and done it for $3.6 million while our guys are doing it for over 9 million.

That is definitely an issue with the Kings, outside of Dwight King, there really isn't a massive bargain on the roster. Toffoli is probably the next biggest.

I give them credit, but it is funny how perspective changes after a single season because that's not what was said of our contracts last offseason... The contest isn't having the best bargain on your team. There really shouldn't be much in the way of complaints heading Williams's way, that contract is a bargain. Comparing it to the best bargains around the league is a frivolous argument, it is still a steal regardless. $3.6 million for a 20 goal, 60 point guy? C'mon...

As for Richards, it depends on the postseason. He always shows up and is a juggernaut in the playoffs. Not to mention he is a 50 point player and solid second line center on virtually the worst offensive team in the league... You can throw all the advanced stats you want on how he is a regressed pos Scott Gomez, but it doesn't change the fact that he's produced results and has done so recently and consistently from year to year.

 

[kingskring]

Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper 1m
#bluejackets Gaborik name picking up steam. Now becoming a cheaper alternative for a few teams looking for scoring like the #Kings.
Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper 1m
#bluejackets Gaborik name picking up steam. Now becoming a cheaper alternative for a few teams looking for scoring like the #Kings.

hmmm

 

[damacles1156]

I give them credit, but it is funny how perspective changes after a single season because that's not what was said of our contracts last offseason... The contest isn't having the best bargain on your team. There really shouldn't be much in the way of complaints heading Williams's way, that contract is a bargain. Comparing it to the best bargains around the league is a frivolous argument, it is still a steal regardless. $3.6 million for a 20 goal, 60 point guy? C'mon...

Third best scorer on the Kings over the last four years....

Best possession winger in the NHL since advance stats have been recorded.

Williams is a damn STEAL.

Lombardi fleeced Carolina. ROBBERY.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Williams is also the best possession player in the league. On the best possession team in the league. I think his contract is a bargain.

Edit: Ha, damacles beat me.

 

[Ron*]

Would be pretty sweat if Dean swung a deal out of left field and brought in Evander Kane.

What have you heard?

 

[Damassk]

Does not know how legit this source is...

Chris Stevenson ‏@CJ_Stevenson 5m
Doesn't sound like Markov to the #kings is a possibility at this point. #habs

 

[HYORI 1963]

This is also why I'm so against trading Toffoli. You can't have a team full of guys making 4 and 5 million dollars, you must get production from guys on cheap contracts or ELC's.

And we are from King, Martinez and even Muzzin, believe it or not. With Greene, Mitchell and Lewis coming off the books and cap increase, we can afford both Ehrhoff and Vanek imo. Especially, if you consider cutting ties with Stoll as well, after the season.

And who says a prospect or two from manchester won't make an impact with the kings next year.

 

[Telos]

Does not know how legit this source is...

Chris Stevenson ‏@CJ_Stevenson 5m
Doesn't sound like Markov to the #kings is a possibility at this point. #habs

Was it ever one?

 

[damacles1156]

I give them credit, but it is funny how perspective changes after a single season because that's not what was said of our contracts last offseason... The contest isn't having the best bargain on your team. There really shouldn't be much in the way of complaints heading Williams's way, that contract is a bargain. Comparing it to the best bargains around the league is a frivolous argument, it is still a steal regardless. $3.6 million for a 20 goal, 60 point guy? C'mon...

As for Richards, it depends on the postseason. He always shows up and is a juggernaut in the playoffs. Not to mention he is a 50 point player and solid second line center on virtually the worst offensive team in the league... You can throw all the advanced stats you want on how he is a regressed pos Scott Gomez, but it doesn't change the fact that he's produced results and has done so recently and consistently from year to year.

What's also funny about Richards, He is in the top three for post season scoring over the last five years.

 

[Ron*]

@RealKyper: #bluejackets Gaborik name picking up steam. Now becoming a cheaper alternative for a few teams looking for scoring like the #Kings.

 

[CNS]

I'm not impressed. Dude says he doesn't want to do a five-year rebuilding plan in Buffalo and that is exactly what he needs to do.

Let's be fair here - their prospect pool is SICK and they have loads of 1sts. That team will have a stupid amount of good young players very, very soon.

 

[Herby]

Spot on, Everyone was praising Lombardi for how he has NO NTC/NMC and the cap work he has done.

Then the League lowers the cap and crappy teams got buy out's. All of sudden Lombardi miss managed the cap...

Say What ?

Also ANH is going to have to dole out raises for all these guys having career years.

ANH also has an eternal cap, they may not even be allowed (owner) to spend all the cap space.

I am not criticizing Lombardi, my biggest concern though is all these long term contracts going forward, it does handcuff you a bit in how aggressive you can be going forward.

And as SZG said, it's very important to draft and develop your own scoring line players because you get them on ELC and second contracts, rather than having to acquire guys with big money long term deals.

The Kings have traded a lot of young talent and draft picks since 2011, it worked out and you do it again because we won the Cup, but it's going to start being felt in the next couple of years.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Wow.. buyers market this year? I mean 4th round picks? Glad the Kings aren't sellers...

Robidas and Penner for 4th rounders are bargains.

Good low risk high rewards for Washington... although that's not an experiment I'd like to drench my pancakes in syrup with.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

What have you heard?

Just read that the Flyers and Jets have talked about Kane. Just hoping Lombardi could swoop in and land a guy who isn't a rental, like Kane or Ladd. Doesn't seem to fit Dean's M.O. to go for a pure rental like the names being talked about.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Let's be fair here - their prospect pool is SICK and they have loads of 1sts. That team will have a stupid amount of good young players very, very soon.

Edmonton says hi.