Speculation: All Purpose LA Kings 2013-14 Trade Speculation/Rumors Part IV

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The problem is that while he's learning he's dragging down our best defenseman. That of course is not so much a Muzzin problem as it is a Lombardi problem. But ideally when you're breaking in a rookie who is not of the Blake/Doughty/Weber/Suter caliber, you would do it somewhere other than on your top pair.

Fair point. Sutter's moved him recently, right?

Maybe Kings executives wanted him under that pressure in early season games as part of his development. After all, isn't it something DD and Muzzin both pushed for? Maybe we wouldn't be talking about this at all if the forwards were playing in front of opposing goalies instead of just skating past them.

Losing Scuderi was bad enough during the transition to younger D. Getting "half-a-Mitchell" back along with a "part time Greene" is really asking a lot for three two year guys with around 150 games each. We're just going to suffer through it.

GKG!!
 
The fact you mention only four qualities you are evaluating him on demonstrates why a large portion of people have uninformed evaluations.

You're great Ziggy, but there are honestly so many things that are overlooked on the ice as well as off ice factors which influence value in these players. There's a smidgeon I know but am on the phone and this is already too annoying to write.

There is nothing wrong with Muzzin's shooting anyway. He often gets his great shot through.

Everyone act's like Muzzin is the only guy on the Kings who gets his shot blocked....Um Drew Doughty anyone ?

I would be rich if I had a dollar for every Doughty slap shot that was blocked.

Due to Lombardi's errors, the Kings have to live with transitioning to younger D men playing high minutes, and making mistakes.
 
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There is nothing wrong with Muzzin's shooting anyway. He often gets his great shot through.

Everyone act's like Muzzin is the only guy on the Kings who gets his shot blocked....Um Drew Doughty anyone ?

I would be rich if I had a dollar for every Doughty slap shot that was blocked.

Due to Lombardi's errors, the Kings have to live with transitioning to younger D men playing high minutes, and making mistakes.

You would have something like 335 dollars. Not a meaningless amount at all. Also, if all those blocked shots hit the net, Doughty would have doubled shot production over his entire career.
 
The Kings need speed. We have to be one of the slowest teams in the league. Jeff Carter and Anze Kopitar are carrying us painfully.

We have been hurting on defense lately as well. The makup of this Kings is defense first and offense second. Playing solid D is how you win in the playoffs. But the larger issue is this anemic offense. I like a proposal for Vanek or Moulson.
 
The problem is that while he's learning he's dragging down our best defenseman. That of course is not so much a Muzzin problem as it is a Lombardi problem. But ideally when you're breaking in a rookie who is not of the Blake/Doughty/Weber/Suter caliber, you would do it somewhere other than on your top pair.

Usually, yes. As you point out, that ain't Muzzin's fault. He's playing against the other team's top pairings a lot, which he's not ready to do. But, Doughty did ask specifically to be paired with Muzzin, so apparently he's willing to be dragged down.
 
I don't understand why some people are clamouring for MacDonald. He is not very good. Just because he plays a crap load of minutes per night does not make him a good player.

A buddy of mine is an Isles fan and he would personally drive him to the airport if someone gears him at the deadline.

The Islanders defense, aside from Hamonic, is brutal. Pass on him. Rather have AMart in the lineup over MacDonald.

Or if we are looking for help on the backend, I'd rather target Stuart (WPG) but he probably would not be available as the Jets are back in the race and there are some reports mentioning they would very much like to re-sign him as he is a UFA at seasons end.
 
I don't understand why some people are clamouring for MacDonald. He is not very good. Just because he plays a crap load of minutes per night does not make him a good player.

A buddy of mine is an Isles fan and he would personally drive him to the airport if someone gears him at the deadline.

The Islanders defense, aside from Hamonic, is brutal. Pass on him. Rather have AMart in the lineup over MacDonald.

Or if we are looking for help on the backend, I'd rather target Stuart (WPG) but he probably would not be available as the Jets are back in the race and there are some reports mentioning they would very much like to re-sign him as he is a UFA at seasons end.

Its because they've never seen him play. Same reason they want Bods from Manchester.
 
I don't understand why some people are clamouring for MacDonald. He is not very good. Just because he plays a crap load of minutes per night does not make him a good player.

A buddy of mine is an Isles fan and he would personally drive him to the airport if someone gears him at the deadline.

The Islanders defense, aside from Hamonic, is brutal. Pass on him. Rather have AMart in the lineup over MacDonald.

Or if we are looking for help on the backend, I'd rather target Stuart (WPG) but he probably would not be available as the Jets are back in the race and there are some reports mentioning they would very much like to re-sign him as he is a UFA at seasons end.

If we go after a defenseman I hope we just go all in and get Girardi.
 
The Kings need speed. We have to be one of the slowest teams in the league. Jeff Carter and Anze Kopitar are carrying us painfully.

We have been hurting on defense lately as well. The makup of this Kings is defense first and offense second. Playing solid D is how you win in the playoffs. But the larger issue is this anemic offense. I like a proposal for Vanek or Moulson.

First you say the Kings need speed, and than you mention Vanek or Moulson? Neither is known for their speed.
 
Yeah, those are two guys we plunk in front of the net to clean up all the garbage we're throwing

Can only clean up the garbage if the shots are not blocked or something I'm getting tired of hearing miller say "shoots wide".
 
The fact you mention only four qualities you are evaluating him on demonstrates why a large portion of people have uninformed evaluations.

You're great Ziggy, but there are honestly so many things that are overlooked on the ice as well as off ice factors which influence value in these players. There's a smidgeon I know but am on the phone and this is already too annoying to write.

You can break down a skaters game by his passing, shooting, skating, and reads. Those are the four critical areas you look at. What a player does without the puck can be taught.

With Muzzin, sometimes he can connect with long, stretch passes, and other times he passes to an already covered passing lane or gives the puck right up or ices it when there is no pressure on him. When there is pressure on him, he panics.

His shooting is unpredictable. Sometimes he can get it through, then he'll go through a long stretch where all he can hit is a blocker's shinpads and the puck rockets back out and he's caught chasing a player.

I wouldn't consider Muzzin a phenomenal skater but he's adequate when he's skating with the puck, so long as he's not being pressured like when the Wings chased him behind his own net and he flubbed the puck right to them which led to a goal.

The most questionable and inconsistent part of his game are his reads. Bad pinches in particular, but another thing he does that drives me crazy is how he will come down the left side boards and try to put the puck on net from a bad angle, and what tends to happen on those plays is a misfire where the puck wraps back along the boards and springs the opposing team on a counterattack.

There are so many holes in his game that I'm sure you and many others are well aware of. The positive things that he provides on the ice isn't enough to hide his flaws and I question if he even has the wherewithal to make the necessary improvements to be considered a legit top 3-4 defender on this team. I've seen him get knocked off the puck easily on numerous occasions. I've seen him leaving his zone when he should be the last man back. I see a player who leaves my head scratching much like others saw the same in Jack Johnson, a defender who has a better set of skills who also struggled with the mental part of the game.

Now I urge those who see the positives more than the negatives in Muzzin to please enlighten us as to what makes him so special that he should be handled with care. I view Muzzin as an asset that should be dealt before he regresses any further. To me, he's the second coming of Joe Corvo.
 
You can break down a skaters game by his passing, shooting, skating, and reads. Those are the four critical areas you look at. What a player does without the puck can be taught.

With Muzzin, sometimes he can connect with long, stretch passes, and other times he passes to an already covered passing lane or gives the puck right up or ices it when there is no pressure on him. When there is pressure on him, he panics.

His shooting is unpredictable. Sometimes he can get it through, then he'll go through a long stretch where all he can hit is a blocker's shinpads and the puck rockets back out and he's caught chasing a player.

I wouldn't consider Muzzin a phenomenal skater but he's adequate when he's skating with the puck, so long as he's not being pressured like when the Wings chased him behind his own net and he flubbed the puck right to them which led to a goal.

The most questionable and inconsistent part of his game are his reads. Bad pinches in particular, but another thing he does that drives me crazy is how he will come down the left side boards and try to put the puck on net from a bad angle, and what tends to happen on those plays is a misfire where the puck wraps back along the boards and springs the opposing team on a counterattack.

There are so many holes in his game that I'm sure you and many others are well aware of. The positive things that he provides on the ice isn't enough to hide his flaws and I question if he even has the wherewithal to make the necessary improvements to be considered a legit top 3-4 defender on this team. I've seen him get knocked off the puck easily on numerous occasions. I've seen him leaving his zone when he should be the last man back. I see a player who leaves my head scratching much like others saw the same in Jack Johnson, a defender who has a better set of skills who also struggled with the mental part of the game.

Now I urge those who see the positives more than the negatives in Muzzin to please enlighten us as to what makes him so special that he should be handled with care. I view Muzzin as an asset that should be dealt before he regresses any further. To me, he's the second coming of Joe Corvo.

What you described happens to just about every single puck moving Defender in the league. Oddly you just described Zdino Chara as a young Defender growing into his body.

Slava has played worse than Muzzin this season if you ask me.

Slava also makes four million and is suppose to produce.

You make Muzzin out to be worse than he is, he is also not as good as some make him out to be(somewhere in the middle).

You never praise the kid when he makes the correct play or a good play.

You only point out his mistakes (which happen often and are many) but he is a kid still, Defender wise.

No one is ever going to be as steady as Drew Doughty, he is a Generational Defender.

You won't see someone like Drew for probably another decade.
 
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Also people wanting MacDonald....Heh watch that guy actually play.

He makes Muzzin look like a Norris candidate.

MacDonald is not good at anything folks. Terrible Defender. He leads the league in chasing his man, cause he got beat then pin-balling around.

Rumors are MacDonald wants Five million a year.....Yah keep Muzzin.
 
Also you want to know who has really hurt the Kings defense wise over this god awful stretch...

Look no further than: Slava Voynov 22Games 0 GOALS 7A MINUS ----6

Slava hasn't scored a goal in his last 40 GAMES. Terrible.

Slava is a playoff tested, extremely talented Defender. He has no excuse for playing this poorly.
 
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MacDonald leads the league in blocked shots, something this defense is not good at whatsoever.

Regher was supposedly the worst defenseman in the league last season when LA traded for him. This system can hide a lot of flaws.

Agree that Voynov has been trash. Big contributor to the lack of scoring is his vanishing act on the power play.
 
Usually, yes. As you point out, that ain't Muzzin's fault. He's playing against the other team's top pairings a lot, which he's not ready to do. But, Doughty did ask specifically to be paired with Muzzin, so apparently he's willing to be dragged down.

I put 0 stock in Doughty "asking" to be paired with Muzzin. What is he supposed to say? "God dammit, I don't want to be paired with this asclown but my other choices are a cement block (Regehr) or a cripple (Mitchell)?" I know people think Doughty is an immature, stupid kid (and sometimes he is), but he's not THAT stupid.
 
I put 0 stock in Doughty "asking" to be paired with Muzzin. What is he supposed to say? "God dammit, I don't want to be paired with this asclown but my other choices are a cement block (Regehr) or a cripple (Mitchell)?" I know people think Doughty is an immature, stupid kid (and sometimes he is), but he's not THAT stupid.

This reminds me of a line from The Shield:

The brotha's dumb, but he ain't STUPID!

Anyway, I digress. Ziggy, I will answer you tonight when I get home from work.
 
Could be his education about it...

Sutter had him with Doughty for so long because he obviously wants him to learn from DD. his game does have some holes but this is also only his 2nd year in the NHL and defensemen take a LOT longer to develop. his lack of patience or over-excitement with the puck is his biggest issue...i think once he learns how to calm down he will be excellent
 
I put 0 stock in Doughty "asking" to be paired with Muzzin. What is he supposed to say?

He could say he is a good player (which he did) and leave it at that. Instead, he went out of his way to say that he specifically asked to play with him.
 
He could say he is a good player (which he did) and leave it at that. Instead, he went out of his way to say that he specifically asked to play with him.

I believe he said that because Greene, RR, Mitchell are so ******* slow, Muzzin at least has a bit of speed and agility.

Doughty needs a quick partner.
 
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