Rumor: ALL PURPOSE JT MILLER THREAD PT2 - It's Been 84 Years....

Filthy Dangles

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You can’t respond other than blabber like a moron because there isn’t anything factual behind your claims

You’re the same poster who thinks VAN should trade him or at least tried to justify them trading him because he doesn’t fit the ‘age of the core’ or some bullshit while simultaneously claiming he’s a Top-5 or so center.

You really don’t see how silly that is, do you?

And yet you seem to call everyone else crazy and stupid…
 

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You’re the same poster who thinks VAN should trade him or at least tried to justify them trading him because he doesn’t fit the ‘age of the core’ or some bullshit while simultaneously claiming he’s a Top-5 or so center.

You really don’t see how silly that is, do you?

And yet you seem to call everyone else crazy and stupid…
Why is it so hard for fans of other teams to understand that we aren't trading him because he isn't good enough. We are trading him because his age doesn't match our core, we have too many good forwards and not enough good defence (relative to each other), and the best years he is likely to have, will be the next 3 or 4. A team on the cusp of winning the cup can make better use of his best years than we can.

People who keep thinking it's a gotcha to say, "if he's so good, why not just keep him?'' are either low info or intentionally obtuse.
 

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Why is it so hard for fans of other teams to understand that we aren't trading him because he isn't good enough. We are trading him because his age doesn't match our core, we have too many good forwards and not enough good defence (relative to each other), and the best years he is likely to have, will be the next 3 or 4. A team on the cusp of winning the cup can make better use of his best years than we can.

People who keep thinking it's a gotcha to say, "if he's so good, why not just keep him?'' are either low info or intentionally obtuse.

But there’s different levels of ‘good’ obviously and The poster I’m responding to is talking Top5-10C kind of good. You don’t trade that unless they want out or you think they fall off a cliff very quickly, no?
 
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Miller's definitely closer to a Tavares level player than a Matthews level player. He's the better player but he'd be fighting with Tavares for the 2C spot if anything or more likely just slide to wing because he's more a winger-center hybrid and Tavares is a pure center.

The point still stands, JT Miller is not a 1st line center on a contender, or most teams really.
I almost responded to your initial post on the topic but let it go, and am now glad to see that you actually are just trolling. Gotta admit you did almost have me though so well done!
 

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But there’s different levels of ‘good’ obviously and The poster I’m responding to is talking Top5-10C kind of good. You don’t trade that unless they want out or you think they fall off a cliff very quickly, no?
I think they are bristling against people who say, 'maybe he's a complimentary top 6er'.

And the stats bare out that he is top 5 or so in scoring among centers over the last number of years.

Does that mean he's Matthews, McDavid, Barkov, etc?

No, but he's being talked about like he's Ryan Johansen and that's no less untrue.
 

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You’re the same poster who thinks VAN should trade him or at least tried to justify them trading him because he doesn’t fit the ‘age of the core’ or some bullshit while simultaneously claiming he’s a Top-5 or so center.

You really don’t see how silly that is, do you?

And yet you seem to call everyone else crazy and stupid…
I don’t think I’ve said anything here that you’ve claimed I said. But go ahead, keep making shit up and saying I said things I didn’t say to make yourself feel better.

Do you have anything else or is your only argument just “LOL can’t you see how dumb you are! Don’t you know anyone who disagrees with me is wrong??”

Because it looks to me like you have nothing but hurt feelings and strongly held preconceived notions to back your claims. It hurts, being wrong and making yourself look like an idiot at the same time, but here we are.
 
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Why is it so hard for fans of other teams to understand that we aren't trading him because he isn't good enough. We are trading him because his age doesn't match our core, we have too many good forwards and not enough good defence
That is the main reason to trade JT, but if he stays hopefully the contract isn't too bad. Taking a risk if they go into the season having him but at the same time teams aren't really desperate to add a PPG player in July.

I think if JT is dealt the return might be underwhelming for Canuck fans. Getting assets for him is better than the old regime just letting guys go and handing out brutal contracts in FA and giving them all trade protection.

If Chytil, 1st and Lundqvist is offered I think the team should take it. Who know what other teams will offer, but 31 other NHL fans on here need to realize sometimes trading for a player doesn't mean he has to be resigned right away to justify acquiring him...

Giroux- new team
Copp- new team
Chiarot- new team
Jarnkrok- new team
Kuemper(summer trade) - new team

All players above traded for 2nd round pick or higher, most were traded for a 1st plus. None have the versatility that JT has other than Giroux but he is older but still producing just not at JT's rate the last 3 years
 

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Miller's definitely closer to a Tavares level player than a Matthews level player. He's the better player but he'd be fighting with Tavares for the 2C spot if anything or more likely just slide to wing because he's more a winger-center hybrid and Tavares is a pure center.

The point still stands, JT Miller is not a 1st line center on a contender, or most teams really.
Miller >> Tavares

Tavares is one of the most overrated players in the league. Only plays in one zone and can't do anything without PP time. Why he is getting 11m per season is beyond me. 8m is too much for a player of his caliber.
 

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That is the main reason to trade JT, but if he stays hopefully the contract isn't too bad. Taking a risk if they go into the season having him but at the same time teams aren't really desperate to add a PPG player in July.

I think if JT is dealt the return might be underwhelming for Canuck fans. Getting assets for him is better than the old regime just letting guys go and handing out brutal contracts in FA and giving them all trade protection.

If Chytil, 1st and Lundqvist is offered I think the team should take it. Who know what other teams will offer, but 31 other NHL fans on here need to realize sometimes trading for a player doesn't mean he has to be resigned right away to justify acquiring him...

Giroux- new team
Copp- new team
Chiarot- new team
Jarnkrok- new team
Kuemper(summer trade) - new team

All players above traded for 2nd round pick or higher, most were traded for a 1st plus. None have the versatility that JT has other than Giroux but he is older but still producing just not at JT's rate the last 3 years
If Chytil, Lundkvist and a 1st is offered they should definitely take it but I kind of doubt that offer would still be on the table after Chytil’s strong playoffs and Trocheck’s signing.

I’m very much not an NYR fan so I don’t know where Lundkvist’s development is at but I wouldn’t include Chytil in the deal if I were the Rangers.

Chytil needs to find a way to stay healthy but he’s only 22 and he can play center, he’s too valuable a roster player to move for a rental. (Which is how you’re casting this deal.)
 

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Maybe Pittsburgh? Are we questioning if Crosby is better than Miller?????
If he is healthy absolutely Crosby is better. He has missed a reasonable amount of time in 2 of the last 3 years though, which is why I said maybe.

Malkin and Crosby are both 35+ to start the year. At some point injuries and age are going to impact them both, regardless of how good they are.
 

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The resolution to this debate is right in front of us:

Sign the 99 point Miller and

wait for it......

Instead, trade the ever popular 52 point Horvat and/or the 52 point Garland for a veritable bounty of riches.
 
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The resolution to this debate is right in front of us:

Sign the 99 point Miller and

wait for it......

Instead, trade the ever popular 52 point Horvat and/or the 52 point Garland for a veritable bounty of riches.
You, uh, haven't been reading posts around here for a while, have you.

I don't disagree with the overall sentiment though.
 

BCNate

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Miller's definitely closer to a Tavares level player than a Matthews level player. He's the better player but he'd be fighting with Tavares for the 2C spot if anything or more likely just slide to wing because he's more a winger-center hybrid and Tavares is a pure center.

The point still stands, JT Miller is not a 1st line center on a contender, or most teams really.
Rather than just posting emojis, lets see you post a list of teams that JT Miller wouldn't be the #1C on next year.
 
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On the handful of teams where Miller wouldn't displace the 1C, he would create an even 1a/b situation, or play wing to the other 1C. His responsibilities and TOI would not change.

JT and Hughes just played a whole season of offence by themselves, the rest of the team watched in awe. Superstar.

Crosby-Miller would be peak Sedin like puck possession.
 

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Why is it so hard for fans of other teams to understand that we aren't trading him because he isn't good enough. We are trading him because his age doesn't match our core, we have too many good forwards and not enough good defence (relative to each other), and the best years he is likely to have, will be the next 3 or 4.
Can't speak for others, but in the case of Jackets fans, it's because all of those issues mentioned (that justify why y'all are trading him) also exactly apply to us, down even to the the fact that both our teams have a craving for defensive RHD, and yet we still keep getting hailed as a good destination for him and keep getting pushed proposals. (Thankfully, not as many as we used to get, but we've still had the occasional home board invader.)

I wouldn't be surprised if similar reasons apply for others.
 

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Can't speak for others, but in the case of Jackets fans, it's because all of those issues mentioned (that justify why y'all are trading him) also exactly apply to us, down even to the the fact that both our teams have a craving for defensive RHD, and yet we still keep getting hailed as a good destination for him and keep getting pushed proposals. (Thankfully, not as many as we used to get, but we've still had the occasional home board invader.)

I wouldn't be surprised if similar reasons apply for others.
That’s fair and I won’t claim I know the Jackets direction more than you do, but if what you say is true why sign Gaudreau? Makes no sense. Signing Gaudreau is a win now move not a move that says our window isn’t for another few years.
 

Viqsi

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That’s fair and I won’t claim I know the Jackets direction more than you do, but if what you say is true why sign Gaudreau? Makes no sense. Signing Gaudreau is a win now move not a move that says our window isn’t for another few years.
Because he's an honest to G-d superstar/franchise-level player, and you make exceptions when someone of that incredible level of talent is available and interested in your team. Same reason the Rangers grabbed Panarin "early".
 

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Can't speak for others, but in the case of Jackets fans, it's because all of those issues mentioned (that justify why y'all are trading him) also exactly apply to us, down even to the the fact that both our teams have a craving for defensive RHD, and yet we still keep getting hailed as a good destination for him and keep getting pushed proposals. (Thankfully, not as many as we used to get, but we've still had the occasional home board invader.)

I wouldn't be surprised if similar reasons apply for others.
Oh, I get that many fans on these boards know precious little about the situation of other teams.

I agree, Columbus makes no sense unless for romantic reasons ('hometown' boy, etc. Or if the ownership got a specific bee in its bonnet). Mostly that's laziness by people who don't research before they post.

But I'm seeing fans making global statements about how he's not that good, and if he was then obviously we would keep him, which is even more intellectually lazy than the aforementioned group.
 
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