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Rumor: ALL PURPOSE JT MILLER THREAD - New Update - (Post #1123)
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I think using 50% retention we could squeeze a 2nd
Miller 50% for McMichael, Iorio, 2023 2nd, 2022 1st(20)
Gives them cap space to add another serious UFA to go hard next year for another cup while Ovie is still as good as he is.
Miller 50% for the current year + extension for McMichael, Iorio, 2023 2nd, 2023 1st
Would rather get the 2023 1st plus Miller can't be extended until after the draft.
Thoughts?
Would rather get the 2023 1st plus Miller can't be extended until after the draft.
Thoughts?
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Really depends if they choose to rebuild or just make 1-2 major trades. What they are saying locally is that the team is deciding that direction now, has nothing to do with a HC hire. I could see them going either way, full rebuild or just a restructure.
Jets have never done a full rebuild in their 11 years back in the NHL, might be time. If this was the case I can't see them having any interest in Miller.
If they wanted to just restructure the team via a couple big trades, Miller might be a target if PLD or Mark were traded but Miller contract status is a major problem and IIRC he can't be extended until July (which is soon). But sign & trades or trades & signs aren't super common so I don't hold my breath there. I highly doubt Miller extends in Winnipeg, small market in Canada.........not a hot spot for big name UFA's.
Personally I think:
Blake will be traded first
Jets will listen to trade offers on PLD, barring being blown away with a great offer they will sign him for one year and then try to get him to stay long term or trade him in one year.
Mark's future is linked to PLD, if PLD is traded Mark stays.
Depending how the above items work out, that will mean a full rebuild or not for the team and possibly other names traded. Helle, Dillon, Schmidt, etc. I doubt Ehlers or KC get traded.
It isn't bad, but would be a good idea to trade before draft and get this years 2022 1st. a mid pick in 2023 isn't really any better than 20oa this year. Even though it is a deeper draft, the 20's are usually the same chances at an impact player in a few years.
I think
Miller 50%(hand shake extension prior to draft) for McMichael, Iorio, 20oa, 2023 2nd is good for both sides. If the CBA still allows signing conditions(I think they got rid of it?) you could do a condition on the 2023 2nd to reduce risk.
This is why Miller should be traded prior to the draft. Once WPG decides to rebuild, other teams will have more choices to go with. Though none are as good/cheap(ca) as Miller.
I feel as thought Washington HAS to do something. Ovechkin has 4-5 years left to beat Gretzky's record which in its own way is going to be as important to a team as winning the cup.
To be able to say, he played for one team, he owns the goal scoring record is a big frigging deal because that's going to be harder to beat than winning a playoff round is for the Leafs.
Whether it's Miller, Malkin or Kadri or something who knows. But with Backstrom out and the LTI cap at their disposal they have options.
I personally am just not sold right now on Lorio or McMicheal but they do fill a need no question
To be able to say, he played for one team, he owns the goal scoring record is a big frigging deal because that's going to be harder to beat than winning a playoff round is for the Leafs.
Whether it's Miller, Malkin or Kadri or something who knows. But with Backstrom out and the LTI cap at their disposal they have options.
I personally am just not sold right now on Lorio or McMicheal but they do fill a need no question
I also think Ovechkin beating Gretzky's record would be more valuable than winning a cup. Especially since Ovi has played for 1 franchise.
20 years from now not everyone is going to know who won the cup in 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025 etc....
but Ovi having that record will stand the test of time, much like it has for Gretzky all these years.
Washington isnt going to allow rebuild years while they have Ovi
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What a relief it is not to see Byram show up in conversations about JT Miller or Vancouver as one of their hometown sons or now any other team. Some of the Vancouver talking heads tried to will that into existence near the TDL. Not gonna happen.
But Byram launched himself into the NHL with rocket fuel after his brilliant playoffs. He was easily the best player on the ice in game six and natural stat trick backs that up with Byram’s insane advanced stats.
JT Miller will fetch an impressive return when traded. Don’t think the Avs will be in on him. The Rangers need him most.
But Byram launched himself into the NHL with rocket fuel after his brilliant playoffs. He was easily the best player on the ice in game six and natural stat trick backs that up with Byram’s insane advanced stats.
JT Miller will fetch an impressive return when traded. Don’t think the Avs will be in on him. The Rangers need him most.
as to not confuse Caps fans, it is iorio no Lorio.
Iorio looks to have top 4 potential and is trending well, and McMichael is ready to be our 3c and has 2c potential(unlikely he becomes better then that, but who knows) and there are some good targets at 20 this year.
Retaining 50% gives them the potential to go after Malkin, who is rumored to want to play with Ovie and help him get that record. Imagine them getting a healthy Malkin AND Miller this off season? I would like their chances at another cup.
I'd say Byram was a potential return(before other moves they made) while he had is concussion issues, but was too much of a risk to actually try and trade for. I doubt the Avs are in on him either since they spent all the assets we would want to win this cup. I could see them finding a way to make Kadri work. coming up on 32 years, he isn't getting a long term deal, and having a breakout year at 32 doesn't usually make GM's want to give big money either.
Avs will lose Kadri and Burakovsky to free agency. They’ll resign Nuke and probably Kuemper, hopefully the latter to a team friendly deal. Nuke gets to name his price.
Newhook will be elevated into a top six role and Ben Meyers will be a bottom six C. 2018 1st round pick Martin Kaut will get his shot and so might 2021 1st rounder Oskar Olausson. The Avs will have to sign some depth guys, but they became a very attractive free agency destination for the ring chasers. They’ll reload, the Avs have the league’s best GM.
Byram is untouchable now. Core player. I wouldn’t trade him for Quinn or EP straight up. Toews didn’t play all that well during this playoff run and Girard got injured. Thankfully for the Avs, Byram grew about 27 inches during the playoffs and was a huge reason why they won it all.
Vancouver will be an interesting team to follow this off-season. I think they’ll have a lot of suitors for your best player in JT Miller. Garland will have a lot of interest as well. I don’t think Boeser will have much. Nor Myers.
I know what Vancouver wants to do, trade Boeser and Tyler Myers but when the offers, if any, come in and are underwhelming, will they pivot to moving better pieces like JT or Garland for a better return. Will Vancouver take a step back to build for a few years down the road?
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I think Boeser gets a 1st + and is replaced by Kuzmenko. I doubt Kuzmenko out produces Boeser next year, but I see that happening. Garland I think stays, and Myers is well liked by Boudreau. Myers was also a solid defender last year.
I don’t think you’ll sniff a first for Boeser. His qualifying offer is too high. That won’t get sorted out by the draft and no team is going to trade a 2023 1st for this player. Esp a team that may end up with a lottery pick. Someone like LA.
Plus he’s coming off a down year. He’s just not even close to your best asset.
I’m not sure he carries much value or interest league wide. You don’t see other fan bases excited about him. It’s mostly Vancouver fans pushing him and pumping the tires.
No GM is going to look at his down year and think it is the norm. Spent a season with his dad dying(passed away during playoffs), that will have an effect on anyone. I am honestly fine with giving Boeser a 1 year 7.5m, still RFA at the end of the season and at TDL getting 2-3 1sts in value for him as a rental with control.
You wouldn’t trade him if he was worth 2-3 1sts. That’s crazy talk. A gross overvaluation.
He’s probably back in Vancouver next year making $7.5mm.
Until his contract status is resolved, his value is low. His poor recent season does factor into that but not nearly as much as the QO and contract uncertainty.
Boeser was more interesting four years ago than he is now. He’s not improving as a player. He’s stagnant. His best years were 2017 and 2018. It’s 2022.
And I know the story about his father. Very sad. But why are you conformable just assuming now he’ll play better as a result. That loss of his father may make him play worse. What team is going to give Vancouver value this off-season? Your thesis isn’t strong.
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but every gm will look at the career year of jt miller and think, he is a 100pt player.
Every GM will look at his last 3 years of production. average of 88 pts a season the last 3 years. So yes they will.but every gm will look at the career year of jt miller and think, he is a 100pt player.
There is a BIG difference between 4 highly productive years producing at a 1st line rate, followed by 1 producing at a 2nd line rate(still highly valuable) with the knowledge of a dying parent VS a player still in his prime having 3 highly productive season and how it affects their value.
For Boeser, his 7.5m does affect, but really we can let him sign his QO and trade him with retention after July 13th to maximize his value. His production last year doesn't lower his value at all.
For Miller it highly increases his value as one of the top players in the league.
This is all true and its why Boeser doesn't have much value. But with Miller, most of his value isn't in the fact that a team can re-sign him to an 8 year contract, its in the fact that you get a top ten point scoring centre in the prime of his career for $5.25 million next year or as little as $2.65 million if the Canucks retain. That's incredibly valuable to a team going for the Stanely Cup that is also cap tight (i.e., most competitive teams).
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Blake won't be getting involved with this Boeser issue. LA is not trading for a $7.5M RFA with arbitration rights.
so an arbitrary three year it is.
can we apply that on boeser as well? it reduces his 82 game goal pace by 10%.
3 years is more than enough data to determine a players value when they are in peak years. But yes, let's apply that to Boeser.
his 3 year production is 63 pts over 82 games. That is 1st line production and is worth 2 1sts in value easily, and a 7.5m contract generally wouldn't scare a GM away from a player who produces at a 1st line rate.
jeff skinner last season produced exactly that. he is paid 9m/yr. what's his value in a trade?
You're comparing a 30 year old, getting overpaid, to a 25 year old RFA? If skinner was 5 years younger making 1.5-2m less, he would be looking at 1st + Prospect in value.
The comparable I look at is Reinhart. That is where I see Boeser's value.
If you think about it, it's actually genius level negotiating, you take a player you would like to have on your team, ascribe to them a useless arbitrary value based on a contract you know is bad, and then? BAM you get the player you want at a reduced rate!
Jeff Skinner and Brock Boeser equal value, how did I not see that before!?
Use it in contract negotiations as well. Gretzky was the best player in the world, and he never got more than X amount. Do you really think that you are worth more than Gretzky?
Boeser is not going to play this year at 7.5 mil.
He would be foolish not to get the security of a contract, whether thats short term or long term it would be better than playing on a 1 year contract especially given his injury history.
My guess is he will sign a short term contract 6.75 AAV for 3 years.
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