Player Discussion All Purpose Goaltending Thread

[Zman5778]

Hart - yes

Gibson - yes (I know i'm in the minority)

Varlamov - yes

Jarry - yes

Andersen - yes

Vladar - probably no

I don't see any chance that a higher-end UFA like Varly or Jarry or Andersen signs here.

 

[Fjordy]

I don't see any chance that a higher-end UFA like Varly or Jarry or Andersen signs here.

Why? Haven't the players changed their attitude towards Buffalo? So who knows. Andersen's sister signed with Buffalo.

 

[Zman5778]

Why? Haven't the players changed their attitude towards Buffalo? So who knows. Andersen's sister signed with Buffalo.

Fowards and defense, sure.

I just think that goalies, whose contracts live and die by their numbers, will see the trainwreck that is our defense and say "nope -- there's no way I can put up solid numbers here". ESPECIALLY in light of what happened to Jack Campbell -- signed a big UFA deal and then absolutely struggled behind a defense on par with ours.

 

[Fjordy]

Fowards and defense, sure.

I just think that goalies, whose contracts live and die by their numbers, will see the trainwreck that is our defense and say "nope -- there's no way I can put up solid numbers here". ESPECIALLY in light of what happened to Jack Campbell -- signed a big UFA deal and then absolutely struggled behind a defense on par with ours.

Omg guys, how much can you talk about it? Man, retired Anderson at 90.7%, they'll see that too. It's not the defense's or Anderson's fault that Comrie and UPL bad. Also our defense will surely get better.

 

[Sabreality]

so does anybody think Adams is thinking that Comrie deserves a mulligan? NOT condoning it, but we all know how volatile goalies are year to year...They obviously liked something enough to give him 2 years.

He started out well enough, then had to play behind the MASH unit D until his injury 11/17, he then didn't start again until 1/10 and only started 1 more Jan game while UPL was on his rookie of the month run. Think there was another injury stint in there and only 2 Feb starts before 4 Mar starts.

No idea if he can replicate his WPG numbers again, but 100% healthy behind better D structure (and D health)? who knows

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[Zman5778]

so does anybody think Adams is thinking that Comrie deserves a mulligan?

I absolutely think that it's a possibility in Adams' mind.

Hell, I am seriously wondering if instead of a 14/7/2 or 13/8/2 breakdown in the roster..........I really wonder if we're going to start the year at 13/7/3

 

[Fjordy]

so does anybody think Adams is thinking that Comrie deserves a mulligan? NOT condoning it, but we all know how volatile goalies are year to year...They obviously liked something enough to give him 2 years.

He started out well enough, then had to play behind the MASH unit D until his injury 11/17, he then didn't start again until 1/10 and only started 1 more Jan game while UPL was on his rookie of the month run. Think there was another injury stint in there and only 2 Feb starts before 4 Mar starts.

No idea if he can replicate his WPG numbers again, but 100% healthy behind better D structure (and D health)? who knows

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He played 10 good games for Winnipeg and that's it, before that he was the main goaltender in the AHL. Maybe he's just not that good, that's what usually happens. I don't like experiments like this, it's not a developmental season, so Adams should add goalie and top 4 D and make the playoffs like the Devils did last season.

 

[Ace]

The only thing worse than running with Levi/UPL or Levi/Comrie is running with all three.

Of course Adams is thinking about it. Not because both UPL and Comrie might both be good…because neither was good enough. 31 GMs see that as a sign for their 12 year playoff drought team to get a goalie who is good to pair with their rookie whose development is being skipped. Not this one.

 

[Diaspora]

Why? Haven't the players changed their attitude towards Buffalo? So who knows. Andersen's sister signed with Buffalo.

Can she stop a puck?

 

[Jim Bob]

Can she stop a puck?

Doubtful since she isn't a goalie.

 

[Dubi Doo]

I do NOT want to trade a ton of assets for a goalie. I especially do not want to trade a ton of assets for a goalie then give that goalie an enormous contract.

Give me an Andersen type, and I'll be happy. I'll be mildly disappointed if they don't address the need, but I'm also of the mindset you need to draft and develop your star goalies. You also need a very good defensive system to make their stats look pretty.

I'm more interested in obtaining a top-4 defenseman than a goalie. Pesce is my #1 choice assuming the cost is reasonable.

 

[Fjordy]

ou also need a very good defensive system

I think this can be forgotten, so adding top 4 D and decent goalie makes a lot of sense.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Jim Bob]

Jets Have 3 Good Goalies to Target This Offseason - The Hockey Writers Winnipeg Jets Latest News, Analysis & More

If the Winnipeg Jets are in the market for a goalie this offseason, there are no shortage of candidates they could target.

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Hart, Swayman, and UPL...

 

[Jim Bob]

Lance doesn’t think they do anything in goal because the trade options like Hellebuyck will be too rich for Adams and UFAs won’t want to play behind this team.

 

[Fjordy]

Lance doesn’t think they do anything in goal because the trade options like Hellebuyck will be too rich for Adams and UFAs won’t want to play behind this team.

Lance

 

[Gabrielor]

Lance doesn’t think they do anything in goal because the trade options like Hellebuyck will be too rich for Adams and UFAs won’t want to play behind this team.

I'm down on faith in him as a source after Ryan Johnson.

Great reporter, but he seems to zag when everyone else zigs.

 

[Jim Bob]

I'm down on faith in him as a source after Ryan Johnson.

Great reporter, but he seems to zag when everyone else zigs.

Well, in this case, I think he is zigging with most others who have Adams focused on adding a D as opposed to a G.

 

[Gabrielor]

Well, in this case, I think he is zigging with most others who have Adams focused on adding a D as opposed to a G.

He could easily do both, and should. This shouldn't be a 1-addition offseason.

Skinner-Thompson-Tuch
Peterka-Cozens-Quinn
Greenway-Mittelstadt-Jost
Girgensons-Krebs-Okposo
Samuelsson-Dahlin
Power-Pesce
Stillman-Lyubushkin
Levi
Luukkonen

gets a C+ at best, even with the strong Pesce addition.

 

[Jim Bob]

He could easily do both, and should. This shouldn't be a 1-addition offseason.

Skinner-Thompson-Tuch
Peterka-Cozens-Quinn
Greenway-Mittelstadt-Jost
Girgensons-Krebs-Okposo
Samuelsson-Dahlin
Power-Pesce
Stillman-Lyubushkin
Levi
Luukkonen

gets a C+ at best, even with the strong Pesce addition.

I just do not see Adams giving up 3 or 4 1st round pick equivalents for a top 4 D and an NHL goalie that is likely to give them more than what they have in house.

I think he is prioritizing the top 4 D and then he will be done with the trade assets he is willing to move this summer.

There are a ton of things he could do. But, he has been more patient than many want to this point and I do not really see him changing course this summer.

 

[Gras]

Lance doesn’t think they do anything in goal because the trade options like Hellebuyck will be too rich for Adams and UFAs won’t want to play behind this team.

He's not out of line with that kind of thinking

 

[Fezzy126]

I'm down on faith in him as a source after Ryan Johnson.

Great reporter, but he seems to zag when everyone else zigs.

I've seen this narrative get repeated a few times... Lance was completely even-handed on his coverage of Johnson on 99% of his tweets and articles since he was drafted .



He had one moment, literally one, where he speculated based on gut feel (no sources) that RJ wouldn't sign. He also suggested that RJ might wanna go somewhere where he can get PP time, although someone from here that shan't be named astutely called him out about it though:



He got ripped by many when he suggested that the Sabres might think the draft pick is more valuable. I actually agreed with him to a point, while I think RJ is a more valuable asset than a late 2nd round pick, I see 2nd and 3rd rounders get moved at the deadline every year for valuable pieces.

Lance's reporting has been the best available among the hockey writers that cover the team. For the record, I think his speculation is better than most as well, but there is no one that bats a thousand out there.

 

[Gabrielor]

Lance's reporting has been the best available among the hockey writers that cover the team. For the record, I think his speculation is better than most as well, but there is no one that bats a thousand out there.

No doubt, he's a great read, and among the best of the guys with that access level to the team...


...but his competition sucks. I'd rather read HFBoards leaf fans' takes on the Sabres than the take of either of the H's.

 

[Jim Bob]

The Modern Understanding of Tracking - InGoal Magazine

The latest in our Science of Goaltending series

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The Quiet Eye​

The Quiet Eye is described as the final point of fixation of the gaze within 3 visual degrees (very close) to the object for at least 100 milliseconds. This was described by Dr. Joan Vickers at the University of Calgary. She has written an entire textbook on this subject (Vickers, 2007). It has been shown to be an effective technique in hockey goalies, in similar sporting tasks and even in medical surgery.
The Quiet Eye is exactly what it sounds like, the gaze is fixated and quiet. During this period of fixation, it is believed that the brain absorbs information from the shooter’s body movements, recognizes patterns and initiates a save selection before or as the puck is released. This is what seems to explain why goalies can predict shot directions.
Even the study suggesting that experts can see the object into the body with head-object coupling and saccades mentions that “expectation of the flightpath (potentially predicated on early ball-flight information) may have been helping … to facilitate head-ball coupling” (Mann et al., 2013, p.6).
In summary, fixating the right spot at the right time during the release may be the foundation upon which all important tracking skills are built.

Food for Thought​

Many goalies today have covered the basic requirements of checking their vision with a professional, performing drills for smooth pursuit / saccades and have even learned how to couple the head with puck flight very well.
Is it not interesting to wonder why certain days we all describe that we are “just not seeing the puck”? Could it be possible that a consistent Quiet Eye could lead to consistent Tracking? Research seems to think so…

What is Still in Question?​

Going back to the earlier discussion, we don’t yet know at what speed, or skill level it becomes impossible for goalies to track the puck into the body after smooth pursuit is exhausted. The study that suggested it can be done was performed with Cricket batters (Mann et al., 2013). Is it at 500 deg per second of eye rotation? Is this learned at the College level? At the professional level?
In a study by Vickers and Panchuk (2006), College and University goaltenders took shots from 5- and 10-meter distances. Eye tracking technology was used to show that these goalies did not track the puck in flight to any meaningful degree. The only variable that differentiated between a save and a goal was how well The Quiet Eye was performed. What we do not know is if shots in this experiment simply moved too fast or were from too close to track with the head and eyes. Another theory could be that these goalies were simply not skilled enough to do what the cricket batters were able to do.

When talking about how to best evaluate goalies, I think this ability to see the release of a shot and the goalie's ability to have "The Quiet Eye" are the blend of environment and skill that has been talked about.

 

[elchud]

Sure seems like they are going to go Levi/UPL. If they aren't in at least 8th position by mid-season, I predict that Adams gets nervous and then goes for an upgrade in net. If and until then, optimism is the name of the game. UPL is playing for his next contract and his Rochester days are finished.

What I dont want to see is another Cerberus situation in net.