Player Discussion All Purpose Goaltending Thread

[Jim Bob]

Thoughts? Although I'm not sure that Vladar is a suitable goalie.

I'm not interested in Vladar, at all.

 

[SundherDome]

Thoughts? Although I'm not sure that Vladar is a suitable goalie.

I don't think we are in a position to see if he can be something, we already have three of those. If we trade for a goalie, I think it has to be someone who is established.

 

[TehDoak]

Thoughts? Although I'm not sure that Vladar is a suitable goalie.

I mean, I think he's an upgrade to Comrie. I don't think he has the experience we need to mentor our younger guys though. I'll rate him as better than standing pat....would rather spend my resources on a more proven vet.

 

[dortt]

Wouldn't get that kind of goaltending out of Comrie that we just saw in the SCF

That is a goalie making a difference, making a save he has no business making. Something Comrie showed he is not capable of doing

 

[Zman5778]

Something Comrie showed he is not capable of doing

Have you completely forgotten his many good games???

Comrie single-handedly got us 4 points in our first western string.

 

[dortt]

Have you completely forgotten his many good games???

Comrie single-handedly got us 4 points in our first western string.

Haven't forgot. Comrie had a single game that he stole all year. He then consistently was unable to make a big save (while he generally made the saves he should make, unlike UPL who would make the big saves, then let in softies)

I really cannot comprehend the love that Comrie receives here. He was literally one of the worst goalies in the entire NHL this year

 

[pigpen65]

Haven't forgot. Comrie had a single game that he stole all year. He then consistently was unable to make a big save (while he generally made the saves he should make, unlike UPL who would make the big saves, then let in softies)

I really cannot comprehend the love that Comrie receives here. He was literally one of the worst goalies in the entire NHL this year

Comrie is f***ing horrible. Watching these two teams the Sabres need to add muscle and they need a legit starting goalie. Till Adams can get that they are just spinning their tires.

 

[Zman5778]

I really cannot comprehend the love that Comrie receives here.

Saying that "no goalie would look good behind this defense" and "maybe Comrie isn't as bad as his numbers indicate" isn't exactly showing "love".

I don't think anyone here "loves" Comrie. I just think that some can see that the defense he played behind was ass and there might be more to his game than this past year showed.

 

[Fjordy]

Saying that "no goalie would look good behind this defense" and "maybe Comrie isn't as bad as his numbers indicate" isn't exactly showing "love".

I don't think anyone here "loves" Comrie. I just think that some can see that the defense he played behind was ass and there might be more to his game than this past year showed.

Anderson >>> UPL/Comrie.

It's not just the defense that's the problem, our two goalies bad and that's why Adams is looking for another goalie. Anaheim was a terrible team with Fowler on defense and AHL players or guys who don't know how to play defense in the top 4. Gibson again gets a huge load, a lot of dangerous shots, just a lot of shots per game, but even with all that, his save percentage was better than that UPL and Comrie.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

Anderson >>> UPL/Comrie.

It's not just the defense that's the problem, our two goalies bad and that's why Adams is looking for another goalie. Anaheim was a terrible team with Fowler on defense and AHL players or guys who don't know how to play defense in the top 4. Gibson again gets a huge load, a lot of dangerous shots, just a lot of shots per game, but even with all that, his save percentage was better than that UPL and Comrie.

It just sounds a lot like some people want to pay 6.4 million for 4 more seasons for another goalie that isn’t good enough. Everyone will go yay we managed to pull 4 more points, then when he gets shelled in the first round it’ll be waaa Adams is a moron.

I mean honestly let’s take a step back here from “we missed the playoffs by 2 points” and give this an honest think. It’s a goalie making 6.4 million for 4 more seasons. If that goalie was named Jussi Saros those would be passable numbers. This one is named Jon Gibson and is on the list of worst contracts for performance in the NHL. Desperate is how you get Ville Leino, desperate is how you try and rationalize 25.6 million dollars for a bad goalie.

 

[Fjordy]

It just sounds a lot like some people want to pay 6.4 million for 4 more seasons for another goalie that isn’t good enough. Everyone will go yay we managed to pull 4 more points, then when he gets shelled in the first round it’ll be waaa Adams is a moron.

I mean honestly let’s take a step back here from “we missed the playoffs by 2 points” and give this an honest think. It’s a goalie making 6.4 million for 4 more seasons. If that goalie was named Jussi Saros those would be passable numbers. This one is named Jon Gibson and is on the list of worst contracts for performance in the NHL. Desperate is how you get Ville Leino, desperate is how you try and rationalize 25.6 million dollars for a bad goalie.

No, I don't want to trade for Gibson. I just gave an example that one goalie with even worse defense and a team in front of him and a greater load had a better save percentage than UPL and Comrie. The excuse that our goalies were bad because our defense was bad doesn't work for me, because Anderson wasn't bad with the same team and defense. I don't want to go into the new season with Comrie and UPL.

 

[Old Navy Goat]

You're neglecting the difference that experience makes playing the position. Anderson was able to read and react because he's seen everything before while UPL and Comrie were static longer waiting for the play to develop. Gibson is more like Anderson in that regards but on a much lesser tier

 

[Fjordy]

You're neglecting the difference that experience makes playing the position. Anderson was able to read and react because he's seen everything before while UPL and Comrie were static longer waiting for the play to develop. Gibson is more like Anderson in that regards but on a much lesser tier

It doesn't convince me, experience is of course on Anderson's side, well then Comrie and the UPL just don't suit us if they can't play well and they don't have enough experience. I don't see the point in risking that maybe the UPL and Comrie are more experienced and better next season, just why? When the team is fighting for the playoffs and we could use a decent goalie.

Again, perhaps Adams is thinking the same way, Rumors around Helle not just like that, and before that Adams wanted to acquire an experienced starting goaltender. Biron said Helle would be a great pickup for Buffalo, and if there is an opportunity to trade for a goaltender like this, Sabres should definitely do it.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

No, I don't want to trade for Gibson. I just gave an example that one goalie with even worse defense and a team in front of him and a greater load had a better save percentage than UPL and Comrie. The excuse that our goalies were bad because our defense was bad doesn't work for me, because Anderson wasn't bad with the same team and defense. I don't want to go into the new season with Comrie and UPL.

“excuse”

 

[Rowley Birkin]

Adams should be all over acquiring Carter Hart. It's pretty clear that Briere is blowing it up in Philadelphia. We have more futures than any other team.

I'm certain that Adams WON'T be involved - but he should be.

 

[Fjordy]

Adams should be all over acquiring Carter Hart. It's pretty clear that Briere is blowing it up in Philadelphia. We have more futures than any other team.

I'm certain that Adams WON'T be involved - but he should be.

It makes sense. Hart wasn't great, but Philly was terrible, especially their defense quality left a lot to be desired in recent seasons. I like Hart's idea because he's only going to be 25 in the summer, but he's already an experienced NHL player, much more experienced than Comrie and UPL, plus there could still be potential there. It will also be easier for them to trade him in two years if, for example, Levi is ready and good, and Hart is still under team control and in his prime. Reasonably priced, it makes sense for me.

 

[Jim Bob]

Adams should be all over acquiring Carter Hart. It's pretty clear that Briere is blowing it up in Philadelphia. We have more futures than any other team.

I'm certain that Adams WON'T be involved - but he should be.

Daniel Briere Q&A: On how his 'very complicated' first trade as Flyers GM went down

Briere sat down with The Athletic to explain how his first trade — a three-team deal that sent Ivan Provorov to Columbus — happened.

theathletic.com

How will your new assets fit into the Flyers’ master plan?

We have three high picks and a prospect that we’ll find out about exactly. We have the seventh and 22nd picks in this year’s draft now. Grans is only 21 years old and was a second-round pick in 2020. And then we got two veterans that can come and help out our young guys. I’m excited about what we got, but we did give up the best player in the deal. That’s always a little scary.

To me, it’s a rebuild, but I don’t believe in teardowns. We don’t need to completely strip away everything. I want some veteran leaders there to show the young guys what it means to be a pro and handle themselves. That’s important for the young guys. I want to be careful with that. I don’t want to lose on purpose. I don’t believe in tanking. I still want our team to play hard and be competitive and make the push. It’s going to be our job to find those players to surround them.

Briere isn't talking about this being a "blow it up" rebuild.

 

[Krieger Bot]

Anderson >>> UPL/Comrie.

It's not just the defense that's the problem, our two goalies bad and that's why Adams is looking for another goalie. Anaheim was a terrible team with Fowler on defense and AHL players or guys who don't know how to play defense in the top 4. Gibson again gets a huge load, a lot of dangerous shots, just a lot of shots per game, but even with all that, his save percentage was better than that UPL and Comrie.

UPL/Comrie were outperformed by goalies on teams with comparable defensive metrics too. Legitimate NHL starters like Kuemper, Demko, Sorokin, and Saaros all obviously outplayed them. Journeymen types like Reimer, Stalock, and Ingram also put up better numbers in their starts. So did Vejmelka, who is somewhere in between.

You can also compare how UPL/Comrie did to other goalies in the league on different types of shots (i.e. - high danger, medium danger, low danger) to try to isolate the impact of defense. Again, they are well below average on each metric.

 

[Ace]

UPL/Comrie were outperformed by goalies on teams with comparable defensive metrics too. Legitimate NHL starters like Kuemper, Demko, Sorokin, and Saaros all obviously outplayed them. Journeymen types like Reimer, Stalock, and Ingram also put up better numbers in their starts. So did Vejmelka, who is somewhere in between.

You can also compare how UPL/Comrie did to other goalies in the league on different types of shots (i.e. - high danger, medium danger, low danger) to try to isolate the impact of defense. Again, they are well below average on each metric.

They were outperformed by a 21 year old with no pro experience on the same team. In addition to the 41 year old who couldn’t handle more than a game a week.

It‘s them. They’re trash.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Winnipeg correspondent on wgr this morning, Levi to start for Hellebuyck (presuming that would include a 5 yr extension)...

 

[Fjordy]

Winnipeg correspondent on wgr this morning, Levi to start for Hellebuyck (presuming that would include a 5 yr extension)...

 

[Jim Bob]

Winnipeg correspondent on wgr this morning, Levi to start for Hellebuyck (presuming that would include a 5 yr extension)...

Dream on.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

Daniel Briere Q&A: On how his 'very complicated' first trade as Flyers GM went down

Briere sat down with The Athletic to explain how his first trade — a three-team deal that sent Ivan Provorov to Columbus — happened.

theathletic.com

Briere isn't talking about this being a "blow it up" rebuild.

That seems like typical GM-speak to me.

You can split hairs between what is or isn't a 'blow up' rebuild.

But you're not moving a young guy like Hart if you're looking to get better today. They're rebuilding.

Adams has more futures to trade than any other GM plus a need at the position. Even though Hart is still pretty young - I'd feel good about a Hart/Levi tandem. Or better still - a Hart/Comrie tandem with Levi getting all the starts he can handle in the AHL & filling in for the Sabres when necessary.

It won't happen though.

 

[Jim Bob]

That seems like typical GM-speak to me.

You can split hairs between what is or isn't a 'blow up' rebuild.

But you're not moving a young guy like Hart if you're looking to get better today. They're rebuilding.

Adams has more futures to trade than any other GM plus a need at the position. Even though Hart is still pretty young - I'd feel good about a Hart/Levi tandem. Or better still - a Hart/Comrie tandem with Levi getting all the starts he can handle in the AHL & filling in for the Sabres when necessary.

It won't happen though.

With the way that he is speaking, I wonder if he is looking to move Hart for a goalie that is under team control for a lot longer like Demko...

 

[Fjordy]

With the way that he is speaking, I wonder if he is looking to move Hart for a goalie that is under team control for a lot longer like Demko...

Why? It looks like a rebuild, they already have some young goalies and Petersen.