Player Discussion All Purpose Goaltending Thread

Jim Bob

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Thatcher Demko looks like Thatcher Demko, which is fantastic news for Canucks as they take inventory before this season ends about what they have going into next season.

“I knew coming back it was a good opportunity for a fresh start,” Demko said Monday after the Canucks practised for Tuesday night’s home game against the Dallas Stars. “I spent a lot of time on the mental side of things, building myself back up and making sure, you know, that I was using these last games that I had to set myself up for next season and try to get my game back to where I know it can be.”

It appears to be there. The four wins Demko has since returning two weeks ago from the worst injury of his career is more than he accumulated in the first two months of the season, when he struggled to a 3-10-2 start and .883 save percentage.

After undergoing an undisclosed medical procedure at the end of last season – Demko has characterized it as common for goaltenders – the San Diegan reported back to the Canucks in early August, putting off his honeymoon to spend extra prep time in Vancouver with goalie coach Ian Clark.

I wonder if he had hip surgery again?

My ideas of goalie haven’t changed from last off-season. Varlamov, Samsonov and Reimer. They’re all UFA this summer (for now). Last year 2/3 would have cost a pick to acquire.
Samsonov is an RFA and Reimer is not a guy you can count on, even as a 1B to UPL's 1A.

And who knows if Varlamov can ramp back up to a bigger workload after playing 31 games last season and 21 games so far this season behind Sorokin. I will not be shocked if he re-signs with the Isles as both he and the team seem to be happy with that duo.
 

MarkusKetterer

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I wonder if he had hip surgery again?


Samsonov is an RFA and Reimer is not a guy you can count on, even as a 1B to UPL's 1A.

And who knows if Varlamov can ramp back up to a bigger workload after playing 31 games last season and 21 games so far this season behind Sorokin. I will not be shocked if he re-signs with the Isles as both he and the team seem to be happy with that duo.

How did he revert back to being RFA, seeing he was a UFA when the Leafs signed him?
 

Jim Bob

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One of the biggest issues with Hart's performances has been his lack of consistency. In his rookie year, he looked like a star, but in his sophomore and junior seasons, he struggled to maintain consistency...or did he?

Defensive Issues, the environment in Hart's D Zone.

Another factor that may be contributing to Hart's declining performance is the Flyers' lackluster defense. The team has struggled defensively for years, and that puts a lot of pressure on the goaltender. When the defense is constantly giving up quality scoring chances, it's hard for the goaltender to keep the puck out of the net. While it's not entirely fair to blame the defense for Hart's struggles, it's clear that they aren't helping matters.

Finally, it's possible that Hart's struggles are due to the immense pressure of being a number 1 goaltender in the NHL. The pressure of playing in a major market like Philadelphia can be intense, especially for a young player. It's possible that Hart is struggling with confidence or anxiety, which is impacting his play on the ice.

Q: Is it really fair to blame Hart for the Flyers' struggles?

Pasco's Opinion:
While the Flyers' defensive issues are certainly a factor, the goaltender is always going to be the last line of defense. When a team allows too many Grade A scoring chances, layered screens, and deflections, the goaltender is going to shoulder some of the blame. Hart is no exception. The solution is simple and Philadelphia would be smart to rethink a trade.

Q: Could a change of scenery benefit Hart?

A:
It's certainly possible. Sometimes, a player just needs a fresh start in a new environment to regain their confidence and find success. However, it's important to note that Hart is still a young goaltender with a lot of potential. The Flyers may regret giving up on him too soon if he goes on to find success elsewhere.

Personal Opinion

Carter Hart is an exceptional goaltender that earned the reins with Hockey Canada's World Junior Team and earned his position with the Flyers. He is a driven young man that still has all of the skills and mental fortitude of a championship-level goaltender. When a goaltender with that level of success leaves the NHL in awe of his skills, there is video evidence everywhere of the tendencies of his game. Every goaltender has tendencies, once you understand them, like a combination lock you open the door to goals against.

Pasco's Opinion: Carter Hart's declining performances in Philadelphia may be a cause for concern. Only time will tell what the future holds for Carter Hart and the Philadelphia Flyers. In my opinion, explore development options before giving a competitor an easy project and a generational goaltender.

I'd take him over Comrie...
 

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So much copium RE: Levi.

The Sabres could look to move him because of UPL and Leinonen? Oh lawdy.
Their flat out obsession with Quebec born players continues to amaze me. Last season it was Laf, this season it's been Levi and PLD.

I couldn't even imagine the pressure of playing in that market as a local kid.
 

HogtownSabresfan

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So much copium RE: Levi.

The Sabres could look to move him because of UPL and Leinonen? Oh lawdy.

Just Internet trash. The only way he gets traded is he de doesn't sign before the end of the year. If he doesn't sign, he's not coming to Buffalo. Likely.
 

Jacob582

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How about something like:

Demko and Myers (cap dump, buyout?)
for
Olofsson (50%), UPL and 2nd round pick

Vancouver picks up a ton of cap space and trades a player that would welcome a fresh start.
 

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How about something like:

Demko and Myers (cap dump, buyout?)
for
Olofsson (50%), UPL and 2nd round pick

Vancouver picks up a ton of cap space and trades a player that would welcome a fresh start.
Don't let Canuck fans see that offer. Demko is worth at least 2 1st round picks and one of Savoie, Kulich or Ostlund.
 
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Zman5778

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How about something like:

Demko and Myers (cap dump, buyout?)
for
Olofsson (50%), UPL and 2nd round pick

Vancouver picks up a ton of cap space and trades a player that would welcome a fresh start.

Yeah, that's not even that particularly close. Trading Demko is going to require a grade "A" piece. Van fans will have you believe more than one premium piece.....but goalies don't fetch more than one premium piece anymore.

Olofsson at 50% isn't going to have much value to the Canucks at all if they're embracing a true rebuild. Getting Myers back (which I'm very much against) doesn't drop Demko's price that much at all.
 

Jacob582

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Yeah, that's not even that particularly close. Trading Demko is going to require a grade "A" piece. Van fans will have you believe more than one premium piece.....but goalies don't fetch more than one premium piece anymore.

Olofsson at 50% isn't going to have much value to the Canucks at all if they're embracing a true rebuild. Getting Myers back (which I'm very much against) doesn't drop Demko's price that much at all.
I guess the question is do they want that premium piece for a rebuild or will they be addicted picking up cap space for next season? They would pick up almost $8M.

It would probably cost them two 2nds if they have to trade Myers to Arizona.

PS
UPL is the premium piece. :yo:
 

Zman5778

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I guess the question is do they want that premium piece for a rebuild or will they be addicted picking up cap space for next season? They would pick up almost $8M.

It would probably cost them two 2nds if they have to trade Myers to Arizona.

PS
UPL is the premium piece. :yo:

Maybe they'll prove me wrong.....but I'd think that they know what they have in Demko and won't be eager to just ditch him for the cap space. He's got 3 years left on his contract after this so he's going to have a bunch of value to goaltending-needy teams who are willing to hope that his issues this year will be behind him moving forward.

And no, UPL isn't a premium piece.
 
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Fly Boy

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Its like noone takes the time to actually look or say something. We knew Leino was a bad idea at center. We knew Nylander wasn't the right choice and lt should have been dman. Brad Richardson was stupid. But through all of this I'm still looking at NHL GM's and thinking how stupid they are.

f*** I'm pissed
 

paulmm3

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To the extent we're trying to win games, Anderson should clearly draw as many starts the rest of the way as he can physically handle.

I'm more ready to give up on UPL than Comrie because I've seen UPL more. I don't think he's got it.

I'd be interested in Semyon Varlamov this off-season as a bridge to the future.
 

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To the extent we're trying to win games, Anderson should clearly draw as many starts the rest of the way as he can physically handle.

I'm more ready to give up on UPL than Comrie because I've seen UPL more. I don't think he's got it.

I'd be interested in Semyon Varlamov this off-season as a bridge to the future.

I'm not playing the guy with a .18 SP lower than UPL. Yes, Comrie has been that bad. Defense has not been good. However, his play has been utter dogshit. When one does worse than the other two by a statistically significant margin, the problem is that player
 

paulmm3

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I'm not playing the guy with a .18 SP lower than UPL. Yes, Comrie has been that bad. Defense has not been good. However, his play has been utter dogshit. When one does worse than the other two by a statistically significant margin, the problem is that player

What was Comrie's save percentage before the 10 goal game against Dallas though? Probably pretty similar to UPL if you exclude that one game. UPL is getting to be a bit more of a known quantity for us and Comrie only has 17 games for Buffalo. UPL has been with the org full time since 19-20 and has played with a variety of different teams and defenses. I'm not saying Comrie is any good, just saying I give him more than the 17 games behind maybe the worst defense in the league before writing him off completely.
 

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